(01-13-2016 09:41 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:37 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It's a win for Mizzou. Now that Muzzou is in the SEC they have an opportunity to be like fellow SEC schools Bama, Auburn, Arky, Ole Miss, SC, Miss St: No NFL in your state is a great thing for your College football flagship. No denying that. Cheers!

Presto! Missouri residents magically changed into the same culturally minded people as Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee... I think not.

You obviously do not know a damn thing about Missouri.

(01-13-2016 12:08 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  It means that H1 gets to add another victory to his considerable list of victories.

Me too.

(01-13-2016 07:37 AM)goofus Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 07:32 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 03:33 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 12:19 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  More than that, it will become home to a Bowl Game of it's own. Perhaps one that moves up to that tier when the CFP expands.

That is going to be one hell of a stadium.

If not for the Tournament of Roses connection to Pasadena and the tradition, it'd be fair to wonder if the Rose Bowl itself would move there.

Yeah, that was my first thought but I am pretty sure they aren't ready to throw all of their tradition out the door just yet.

It will be the beginning of the Rose Bowl being relegated to 2nd tier status in the future. At the very least, I can see the CFP semi-final games moving to the new Rams stadium.

No. Just no.

(01-13-2016 09:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Nothing happens to affect college FB. The SL Rams facility is a dump compared to other NFL venues today. Why make it a bowl destination is beyond ludicrous. Most likely the city repurposes the land for higher value usage. Virtually all stadium deals are terrible deals for cities. Even if the stadium gets extra games, all it will do is sit dormant the remaining 99 percent of the time.

The only school this affects with the Chargers having the option is San Diego St. They may benefit but the question will be if they can maneuver politically to gain the land at Qualcomm and have a west campus and build a 35-40k on campus stadium.
In which, this may move the Holiday bowl to Los Angles while keeping the Poinsettia in San Diego. (maybe the bowls split from each other as the Poinsettia bowl is under control of the Holiday.)

(01-13-2016 10:10 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Nothing happens to affect college FB. The SL Rams facility is a dump compared to other NFL venues today. Why make it a bowl destination is beyond ludicrous. Most likely the city repurposes the land for higher value usage. Virtually all stadium deals are terrible deals for cities. Even if the stadium gets extra games, all it will do is sit dormant the remaining 99 percent of the time.

The only school this affects with the Chargers having the option is San Diego St. They may benefit but the question will be if they can maneuver politically to gain the land at Qualcomm and have a west campus and build a 35-40k on campus stadium.
In which, this may move the Holiday bowl to Los Angles while keeping the Poinsettia in San Diego. (maybe the bowls split from each other as the Poinsettia bowl is under control of the Holiday.)

I was thinking that as well, but it looks like the Holiday Bowl is under the control of the San Diego Bowl Game Association. So that's not happening....

(01-13-2016 09:47 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:41 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:37 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It's a win for Mizzou. Now that Muzzou is in the SEC they have an opportunity to be like fellow SEC schools Bama, Auburn, Arky, Ole Miss, SC, Miss St: No NFL in your state is a great thing for your College football flagship. No denying that. Cheers!

Presto! Missouri residents magically changed into the same culturally minded people as Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee... I think not.

You obviously do not know a damn thing about Missouri.

I guess we'll find out what happens.

(01-13-2016 10:15 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:47 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:41 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:37 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It's a win for Mizzou. Now that Muzzou is in the SEC they have an opportunity to be like fellow SEC schools Bama, Auburn, Arky, Ole Miss, SC, Miss St: No NFL in your state is a great thing for your College football flagship. No denying that. Cheers!

Presto! Missouri residents magically changed into the same culturally minded people as Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee... I think not.

You obviously do not know a damn thing about Missouri.

I guess we'll find out what happens.

Miko, what I meant is that Missouri is a southern state and already has similar cultural identity with other states in the SEC.

(01-13-2016 09:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Nothing happens to affect college FB. The SL Rams facility is a dump compared to other NFL venues today. Why make it a bowl destination is beyond ludicrous. Most likely the city repurposes the land for higher value usage. Virtually all stadium deals are terrible deals for cities. Even if the stadium gets extra games, all it will do is sit dormant the remaining 99 percent of the time.

The Edward Jones dome is already a multi-purpose facility. The actual name of the dome is America's Center Exhibition Hall Number Six. The convention center will actually make more money with the Rams gone. Many large conventions and exhibitions could not come to St. Louis because of the Rams use of the dome. These events bring a lot of money into St. Louis while the Rams didn't. I wouldn't call the dome a dump. It is and always was intended to fulfill many functions. That means it can't be a great football stadium.

(01-13-2016 12:19 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 12:17 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  For St. Louis probably not much. That new stadium in Los Angeles I'm sure will be on the College Football National Championship Game radar, potential for a bowl game, PAC-12 Championship Game, etc.

More than that, it will become home to a Bowl Game of it's own. Perhaps one that moves up to that tier when the CFP expands.

That is going to be one hell of a stadium.

The question is, will LA fans fill it? Los Angeles has always been a tepid NFL market, and I'm not sure anything has changed in the past 20 years to change that.

(01-13-2016 10:19 AM)lew240z Wrote:  Miko, what I meant is that Missouri is a southern state and already has similar cultural identity with other states in the SEC.

Historically, Missouri was a border state. Part of the the state has always identified with the North, part of it with the South. That's why during the Civil War, a bitter "civil war" was fought within the state between partisans of the North and South. Real guerrilla-type bushwacking stuff, taking no quarter.

So it's an oversimplification to say that culturally, Missouri is either North or South.

The Saint Louis Billikens could strongly benefit for the move. It's one less professional team to compete with (just the Blues remain), and St. Louis has shown in can be a big basketball town (despite no NBA team). If they seize the moment by putting full court press on their basketball program, not only could they get a big chunk of lost NFL fans, but they could make a strong case for the Big East down the road.

(01-13-2016 10:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 10:19 AM)lew240z Wrote:  Miko, what I meant is that Missouri is a southern state and already has similar cultural identity with other states in the SEC.

Historically, Missouri was a border state. Part of the the state has always identified with the North, part of it with the South. That's why during the Civil War, a bitter "civil war" was fought within the state between partisans of the North and South. Real guerrilla-type bushwacking stuff, taking no quarter.

So it's an oversimplification to say that culturally, Missouri is either North or South.

I have always thought that Missouri would be a good candidate for the first in nation presidential primary because it is such an interesting mix of cultures.

Missouri is about average size for U.S. states in both population and in area. Its in the middle of country geographically. Urban areas represented in St Louis and KC. Midwest rural culture in north. Ozark Hill country in south. Western culture in west.

other than the fact it has no coasts, and now only 1 NFL team, Missouri really is a micro-version of the USA as a whole.

(01-13-2016 11:15 AM)goofus Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 10:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 10:19 AM)lew240z Wrote:  Miko, what I meant is that Missouri is a southern state and already has similar cultural identity with other states in the SEC.

Historically, Missouri was a border state. Part of the the state has always identified with the North, part of it with the South. That's why during the Civil War, a bitter "civil war" was fought within the state between partisans of the North and South. Real guerrilla-type bushwacking stuff, taking no quarter.

So it's an oversimplification to say that culturally, Missouri is either North or South.

I have always thought that Missouri would be a good candidate for the first in nation presidential primary because it is such an interesting mix of cultures.

Missouri is about average size for U.S. states in both population and in area. Its in the middle of country geographically. Urban areas represented in St Louis and KC. Midwest rural culture in north. Ozark Hill country in south. Western culture in west.

other than the fact it has no coasts, and now only 1 NFL team, Missouri really is a micro-version of the USA as a whole.

Good point: Missouri clearly also has an east/west cultural divide as well. It is a microcosm.

(01-13-2016 07:33 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  It means that Pro football fans in Missouri will be looking for a team. It could lead to better ticket sales for Mizzou as football fans look for a place to spend their dollars. If I was Mizzou. I would play one or two games a year in St. Louis.

Yes, unless Mizzou actually starts playing in St Louis, I can see NFL fans just scattering for alternative options. Most will just sit at home and watch on TV. Some will make weekend road trips to KC or Chicago. Especially if the Rams are playing there. Some will become MLS fans. Plenty of other options.

(01-13-2016 11:22 AM)goofus Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 07:33 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  It means that Pro football fans in Missouri will be looking for a team. It could lead to better ticket sales for Mizzou as football fans look for a place to spend their dollars. If I was Mizzou. I would play one or two games a year in St. Louis.

Yes, unless Mizzou actually starts playing in St Louis, I can see NFL fans just scattering for alternative options. Most will just sit at home and watch on TV. Some will make weekend road trips to KC or Chicago. Especially if the Rams are playing there. Some will become MLS fans. Plenty of other options.

Or Indianapolis- same distance as KC. Chicago about 50 miles further actually.

It might help Mizzou some. I know USC has a lease but man if the Rams are the only team in the new stadium, bringing in USC could work. Isn't the rams new stadium about 10 miles from the USC campus? As for st louis, i would think they go after a soccer team now.

If I'm Jim Delany, Missouri is definitely on my short-list now. With the long-term objective to also bring in Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.

Imagine a West division with Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas....! And without the little brother baggage.

Chargers move will be more impactful. SDSU will be the only game in town.

(01-13-2016 10:26 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(01-13-2016 09:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Nothing happens to affect college FB. The SL Rams facility is a dump compared to other NFL venues today. Why make it a bowl destination is beyond ludicrous. Most likely the city repurposes the land for higher value usage. Virtually all stadium deals are terrible deals for cities. Even if the stadium gets extra games, all it will do is sit dormant the remaining 99 percent of the time.

The Edward Jones dome is already a multi-purpose facility. The actual name of the dome is America's Center Exhibition Hall Number Six. The convention center will actually make more money with the Rams gone. Many large conventions and exhibitions could not come to St. Louis because of the Rams use of the dome. These events bring a lot of money into St. Louis while the Rams didn't. I wouldn't call the dome a dump. It is and always was intended to fulfill many functions. That means it can't be a great football stadium.

Lew speaks the truth, with the Rams at the dome the St. Louis CVC was unable to schedule events at the convention center the day before or after NFL games, effectively eliminating eight fall weekends and the days surrounding two preseason games.

St. Louis was kinda in a no-win scenario here. If they offered to foot almost the entire bill for the stadium, they're selling off their economic future (keep in mind they still need to pay off the Dome another ten years) while enriching the NFL if approved. By not going that far (and rightfully so), they've lost the Rams.

Like Golden Warrior said, SLU could've immediately benefited from a move by attracting a casual fan base of locals who used to root for the Rams, but I don't think so now. SLU has gone downhill after Rick Majerus passed away, which is a shame because they have a beautiful arena and they'd be a strong cultural fit for the Big East. In reality, the Blues stand to gain the most. While there's definitely some crossover of fans, there are still thousands of people who will now have extra money in their pocket during the winter now that they aren't spending hundreds on football tickets and $9 Bud Lights at the Dome. Local soccer also could gain traction. St. Louis has always been a hotbed, it's amazing how they haven't gotten an MLS team yet (they almost got one ten years ago, but potential ownership problems kept them from expansion).

(01-13-2016 11:33 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Chargers move will be more impactful. SDSU will be the only game in town.

Has there ever been a situation where an NFL team leaving has impacted on college athletics? I don't think so. I doubt it will matter here.