(12-16-2015 11:50 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:42 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I think what may be the most ludicrous thing is the blind assumption that pregnant mothers are somehow taking these drugs without the knowledge or at the express instruction of their doctor.

In what world do you think expectant mothers are just finding all these drugs to take, without their doctors consultation and knowledge via a written prescription, and just not caring what they might do to their baby?

Are you even serious?

Because pregnant mothers NEVER do other things unequivocally harmful whilst pregnant right? Like drink, smoke, do meth, do crack.....FOH with that crap.

Dude....the black market prescription drug business is ******* huge. Pills of many types are certainly the flavor of this decade. Besides, no one even said that expectant mothers are doing all these drugs without a doctor's consult. But using anti-depressants with a doctor's consult/permission doesn't somehow negate the increased risk of giving your child autism.

You think SSRI's are being sold on the black market in some massive quantity? Good god you say dumb things.

When compared to opiods, which are just totally out of control, no.

But are the likes of Prozac sold on the streets? Absolutely.

Nice subjective caveat with "massive quantity." What is a "massive quantity," Sauron?

Pop Quiz Shifty:

Your wife has bi-polar depression. Off her meds she cuts herself and sometimes lashes out at others with weapons, and she's previously had suicidal thoughts. On her meds, she functions just fine. You are married so you have sex. She gets pregnant. You're against abortion.

What do you do?

(12-16-2015 11:58 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:50 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:42 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I think what may be the most ludicrous thing is the blind assumption that pregnant mothers are somehow taking these drugs without the knowledge or at the express instruction of their doctor.

In what world do you think expectant mothers are just finding all these drugs to take, without their doctors consultation and knowledge via a written prescription, and just not caring what they might do to their baby?

Are you even serious?

Because pregnant mothers NEVER do other things unequivocally harmful whilst pregnant right? Like drink, smoke, do meth, do crack.....FOH with that crap.

Dude....the black market prescription drug business is ******* huge. Pills of many types are certainly the flavor of this decade. Besides, no one even said that expectant mothers are doing all these drugs without a doctor's consult. But using anti-depressants with a doctor's consult/permission doesn't somehow negate the increased risk of giving your child autism.

You think SSRI's are being sold on the black market in some massive quantity? Good god you say dumb things.

When compared to opiods, which are just totally out of control, no.

But are the likes of Prozac sold on the streets? Absolutely.

Nice subjective caveat with "massive quantity." What is a "massive quantity," Sauron?

Compared to any mind altering drug, the numbers of SSRI sold on the black markets like you're imply are negligible. You're just making stuff up as you go, and it's really embarrassing.

(12-16-2015 11:50 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:42 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I think what may be the most ludicrous thing is the blind assumption that pregnant mothers are somehow taking these drugs without the knowledge or at the express instruction of their doctor.

In what world do you think expectant mothers are just finding all these drugs to take, without their doctors consultation and knowledge via a written prescription, and just not caring what they might do to their baby?

Are you even serious?

Because pregnant mothers NEVER do other things unequivocally harmful whilst pregnant right? Like drink, smoke, do meth, do crack.....FOH with that crap.

Dude....the black market prescription drug business is ******* huge. Pills of many types are certainly the flavor of this decade. Besides, no one even said that expectant mothers are doing all these drugs without a doctor's consult. But using anti-depressants with a doctor's consult/permission doesn't somehow negate the increased risk of giving your child autism.

You think SSRI's are being sold on the black market in some massive quantity? Good god you say dumb things.

EDIT: And having a doctor consult means that the risk is being weighed against the risks of going off of the SSRI's.

Right, because doctors aren't already being told to curb opiod prescriptions. I guess they really aren't "weighing risk" the way they should if they're subject to the CDC's scrutiny? Let's not bury our heads in the sand and believe that there's no way the CDC could ever issue a similar statement about anti-depressants.

(12-16-2015 12:01 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:58 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:50 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:42 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I think what may be the most ludicrous thing is the blind assumption that pregnant mothers are somehow taking these drugs without the knowledge or at the express instruction of their doctor.

In what world do you think expectant mothers are just finding all these drugs to take, without their doctors consultation and knowledge via a written prescription, and just not caring what they might do to their baby?

Are you even serious?

Because pregnant mothers NEVER do other things unequivocally harmful whilst pregnant right? Like drink, smoke, do meth, do crack.....FOH with that crap.

Dude....the black market prescription drug business is ******* huge. Pills of many types are certainly the flavor of this decade. Besides, no one even said that expectant mothers are doing all these drugs without a doctor's consult. But using anti-depressants with a doctor's consult/permission doesn't somehow negate the increased risk of giving your child autism.

You think SSRI's are being sold on the black market in some massive quantity? Good god you say dumb things.

When compared to opiods, which are just totally out of control, no.

But are the likes of Prozac sold on the streets? Absolutely.

Nice subjective caveat with "massive quantity." What is a "massive quantity," Sauron?

it's really embarrassing.

Thanks for the advice, mommy. You're so enlightened.

Xanax.

(12-16-2015 11:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Pop Quiz Shifty:

Your wife has bi-polar depression. Off her meds she cuts herself and sometimes lashes out at others with weapons, and she's previously had suicidal thoughts. On her meds, she functions just fine. You are married so you have sex. She gets pregnant. You're against abortion.

What do you do?

Keep her on the meds, obviously.

Cute hypothetical, worst-case, loaded anecdote, bro.

(12-16-2015 12:05 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:50 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:42 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I think what may be the most ludicrous thing is the blind assumption that pregnant mothers are somehow taking these drugs without the knowledge or at the express instruction of their doctor.

In what world do you think expectant mothers are just finding all these drugs to take, without their doctors consultation and knowledge via a written prescription, and just not caring what they might do to their baby?

Are you even serious?

Because pregnant mothers NEVER do other things unequivocally harmful whilst pregnant right? Like drink, smoke, do meth, do crack.....FOH with that crap.

Dude....the black market prescription drug business is ******* huge. Pills of many types are certainly the flavor of this decade. Besides, no one even said that expectant mothers are doing all these drugs without a doctor's consult. But using anti-depressants with a doctor's consult/permission doesn't somehow negate the increased risk of giving your child autism.

You think SSRI's are being sold on the black market in some massive quantity? Good god you say dumb things.

EDIT: And having a doctor consult means that the risk is being weighed against the risks of going off of the SSRI's.

Right, because doctors aren't already being told to curb opiod prescriptions. I guess they really aren't "weighing risk" the way they should if they're subject to the CDC's scrutiny? Let's not bury our heads in the sand and believe that there's no way the CDC could ever issue a similar statement about anti-depressants.

They sure could, but that doesn't really mean anything in this discussion. At all. You're all over the place, incapable of responding to legitimate criticism, and just making a complete fool of yourself.

(12-16-2015 12:07 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Pop Quiz Shifty:

Your wife has bi-polar depression. Off her meds she cuts herself and sometimes lashes out at others with weapons, and she's previously had suicidal thoughts. On her meds, she functions just fine. You are married so you have sex. She gets pregnant. You're against abortion.

What do you do?

Keep her on the meds, obviously.

Cute hypothetical, worst-case, loaded anecdote, bro.

That's why doctors continue to prescribe SSRI's during pregnancy, what are you even arguing about then?

(12-16-2015 12:09 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:05 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:50 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:42 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I think what may be the most ludicrous thing is the blind assumption that pregnant mothers are somehow taking these drugs without the knowledge or at the express instruction of their doctor.

In what world do you think expectant mothers are just finding all these drugs to take, without their doctors consultation and knowledge via a written prescription, and just not caring what they might do to their baby?

Are you even serious?

Because pregnant mothers NEVER do other things unequivocally harmful whilst pregnant right? Like drink, smoke, do meth, do crack.....FOH with that crap.

Dude....the black market prescription drug business is ******* huge. Pills of many types are certainly the flavor of this decade. Besides, no one even said that expectant mothers are doing all these drugs without a doctor's consult. But using anti-depressants with a doctor's consult/permission doesn't somehow negate the increased risk of giving your child autism.

You think SSRI's are being sold on the black market in some massive quantity? Good god you say dumb things.

EDIT: And having a doctor consult means that the risk is being weighed against the risks of going off of the SSRI's.

Right, because doctors aren't already being told to curb opiod prescriptions. I guess they really aren't "weighing risk" the way they should if they're subject to the CDC's scrutiny? Let's not bury our heads in the sand and believe that there's no way the CDC could ever issue a similar statement about anti-depressants.

just making a complete fool of yourself.

Make sure you keep repeating this you make yourself feel better. Yes, try try try to disparage me.

You shouldn't have the audacity to think I actually give a single steaming turd about your attempts at "embarrassing" me.

(12-16-2015 12:11 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:09 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:05 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:50 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:42 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Are you even serious?

Because pregnant mothers NEVER do other things unequivocally harmful whilst pregnant right? Like drink, smoke, do meth, do crack.....FOH with that crap.

Dude....the black market prescription drug business is ******* huge. Pills of many types are certainly the flavor of this decade. Besides, no one even said that expectant mothers are doing all these drugs without a doctor's consult. But using anti-depressants with a doctor's consult/permission doesn't somehow negate the increased risk of giving your child autism.

You think SSRI's are being sold on the black market in some massive quantity? Good god you say dumb things.

EDIT: And having a doctor consult means that the risk is being weighed against the risks of going off of the SSRI's.

Right, because doctors aren't already being told to curb opiod prescriptions. I guess they really aren't "weighing risk" the way they should if they're subject to the CDC's scrutiny? Let's not bury our heads in the sand and believe that there's no way the CDC could ever issue a similar statement about anti-depressants.

just making a complete fool of yourself.

Make sure you keep repeating this you make yourself feel better. Yes, try try try to disparage me.

You shouldn't have the audacity to think I actually give a single steaming turd about your attempts at "embarrassing" me.

Nice try, but you clearly care. Else you wouldn't continue to try and prove your points when everyone else on this thread has told you that you're way off base.

(12-16-2015 12:10 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:07 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Pop Quiz Shifty:

Your wife has bi-polar depression. Off her meds she cuts herself and sometimes lashes out at others with weapons, and she's previously had suicidal thoughts. On her meds, she functions just fine. You are married so you have sex. She gets pregnant. You're against abortion.

What do you do?

Keep her on the meds, obviously.

Cute hypothetical, worst-case, loaded anecdote, bro.

That's why doctors continue to prescribe SSRI's during pregnancy, what are you even arguing about then?

EXACTLY! And this was the whole point of this thread...why pregnant women would continue to use these drugs even with the risks. Risks that EVERY doctor would have made perfectly clear. And my example isn't loaded or worst-case whatsoever. Doctor's don't just prescribe these drugs because their patient says they feel funny. They more often than not are for patients who are dangerous to themselves or others without them.

This notion of getting these drugs on the street was never the point of this thread and had no part of the linked study. It only became such because the OP started grasping at straws as he was being drowned by fact after fact.

(12-16-2015 12:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:11 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:09 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:05 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 11:50 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  You think SSRI's are being sold on the black market in some massive quantity? Good god you say dumb things.

EDIT: And having a doctor consult means that the risk is being weighed against the risks of going off of the SSRI's.

Right, because doctors aren't already being told to curb opiod prescriptions. I guess they really aren't "weighing risk" the way they should if they're subject to the CDC's scrutiny? Let's not bury our heads in the sand and believe that there's no way the CDC could ever issue a similar statement about anti-depressants.

just making a complete fool of yourself.

Make sure you keep repeating this you make yourself feel better. Yes, try try try to disparage me.

You shouldn't have the audacity to think I actually give a single steaming turd about your attempts at "embarrassing" me.

Nice try, but you clearly care. Else you wouldn't continue to try and prove your points when everyone else on this thread has told you that you're way off base.

Sometimes you'll see me "ghost" threads that offer no further purpose, but not when I get ganged up on. Ima fight till the end of those no matter what. You can obviously relate to that.

There is a need for these drugs for some people. You all are way off base though if you think they aren't over prescribed and abused.

For most patients, depression is a lot like diabetes: Your body does not produce a certain chemical in adequate amounts, so you supplement through medication and behavior modification.

If you've never suffered with mental health issues or had a loved one that has, you may not be aware of how serious these conditions can be. Any woman prescribed these medications would have had in-depth discussions with both her psychiatrist and OBGYN about continuing medication through the pregnancy.

(12-16-2015 01:35 PM)Hitch Wrote:  For most patients, depression is a lot like diabetes: Your body does not produce a certain chemical in adequate amounts, so you supplement through medication and behavior modification.

If you've never suffered with mental health issues or had a loved one that has, you may not be aware of how serious these conditions can be. Any woman prescribed these medications would have had in-depth discussions with both her psychiatrist and OBGYN about continuing medication through the pregnancy.

(12-16-2015 12:40 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:11 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:09 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:05 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Right, because doctors aren't already being told to curb opiod prescriptions. I guess they really aren't "weighing risk" the way they should if they're subject to the CDC's scrutiny? Let's not bury our heads in the sand and believe that there's no way the CDC could ever issue a similar statement about anti-depressants.

just making a complete fool of yourself.

Make sure you keep repeating this you make yourself feel better. Yes, try try try to disparage me.

You shouldn't have the audacity to think I actually give a single steaming turd about your attempts at "embarrassing" me.

Nice try, but you clearly care. Else you wouldn't continue to try and prove your points when everyone else on this thread has told you that you're way off base.

Sometimes you'll see me "ghost" threads that offer no further purpose, but not when I get ganged up on. Ima fight till the end of those no matter what. You can obviously relate to that.

Except, in this case you're fighting against data, scientific understanding, and actual evidence.

(12-16-2015 03:00 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:40 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:11 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:09 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  just making a complete fool of yourself.

Make sure you keep repeating this you make yourself feel better. Yes, try try try to disparage me.

You shouldn't have the audacity to think I actually give a single steaming turd about your attempts at "embarrassing" me.

Nice try, but you clearly care. Else you wouldn't continue to try and prove your points when everyone else on this thread has told you that you're way off base.

Sometimes you'll see me "ghost" threads that offer no further purpose, but not when I get ganged up on. Ima fight till the end of those no matter what. You can obviously relate to that.

Except, in this case you're fighting against data, scientific understanding, and actual evidence.

......just.....no. Well, all right.

Why are you making me repeat this AGAIN?

Anti-depressant use among pregnant women increases the chances of the child having autism.
Anti-depressants are over-prescribed and abused in the United States.

I'm fighting against what? Evidence of what? Scientific understanding of what? RedWingTom's hypothetical doomsday scenario? FOH

(12-16-2015 03:03 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 03:00 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:40 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 12:11 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Make sure you keep repeating this you make yourself feel better. Yes, try try try to disparage me.

You shouldn't have the audacity to think I actually give a single steaming turd about your attempts at "embarrassing" me.

Nice try, but you clearly care. Else you wouldn't continue to try and prove your points when everyone else on this thread has told you that you're way off base.

Sometimes you'll see me "ghost" threads that offer no further purpose, but not when I get ganged up on. Ima fight till the end of those no matter what. You can obviously relate to that.

Except, in this case you're fighting against data, scientific understanding, and actual evidence.

......just.....no. Well, all right.

Why are you making me repeat this AGAIN?

Anti-depressant use among pregnant women increases the chances of the child having autism.
Anti-depressants are over-prescribed and abused in the United States.

I'm fighting against what? Evidence of what? Scientific understanding of what? RedWingTom's hypothetical doomsday scenario? FOH

1. Studies are conflicting at this point.
2. You have no evidence to support this.

It's naive to say that anti-depressants are not overprescribed. How can you know they aren't? I don't doubt that these drugs save lives, but a lot of people just don't seem to understand the lack of rigor in psychiatry. Psychitary is the only branch of medicine where you treat a malady without really having a clear understanding of what causes it at cellular or molecular level.

Also, there is a fairly good bit of research out there showing that exercise is just as effective - and in some cases more effective - than antidepressants. Can't think of many if any ailment where exercise is more effective as a treatment (not prevention) than the standard of care. At there bare minimum there needs to be at least consideration of prescribing exercise as treatment for depression before fiddling around with the chemistry of an organ that's very poorly understood. Just my two cents.