The 58-56 prediction:

A terrorist attack was planned, thus the stockpile of weapons, explosives and armor.

Farook became enraged at the Christmas party for reasons yet unknown. In his rage (fueled by his psychological preparation to kill and die), he shifted his target, going home to get his wife and his weapons. After shooting his personal enemies, he and the wife then left to take care of their political enemies but were stymied both by the hornet swarm of police they had kicked up with the first attack and the scrambling of their plans with the last-minute addition of the boss/coworker killings.

Short version: Both theories are correct. It's workplace violence plus failed terrorist attack.

There is plenty of crow that should be served up here today and all those on the left need to chomp on it.

(12-03-2015 01:26 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Officials: San Bernardino shooter apparently radicalized, in touch with terror subjects

Of course Barry will refuse to call them what they were. Will insist on workplace violence as the cause.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-ber...index.html

I'm not even capable of being surprised anymore.

How far will SJW's go to rationalize these events? How many people need to die?

Even if you wanted to go full pious Islam and started detesting Western culture or US foreign policy... it's still hard to grasp how someone still makes that mental leap of deciding to blast away a room full of innocents in your neighborhood. Doesn't any shred of humanity or empathy kick in that says, "whoa, now that's taking it too far."

For a lot of these guys, they had decent upbringings and got college educated. We're not talking about people who got abused at an early age and their brains got out of whack.

I don't care how much you dive into a religion, you have to slip into a really, really dark place to carry this crap out. Scary part is that there are gobs of people willing to do just that.

(12-03-2015 01:38 PM)58-56 Wrote:  The 58-56 prediction:

A terrorist attack was planned, thus the stockpile of weapons, explosives and armor.

Farook became enraged at the Christmas party for reasons yet unknown. In his rage (fueled by his psychological preparation to kill and die), he shifted his target, going home to get his wife and his weapons. After shooting his personal enemies, he and the wife then left to take care of their political enemies but were stymied both by the hornet swarm of police they had kicked up with the first attack and the scrambling of their plans with the last-minute addition of the boss/coworker killings.

Short version: Both theories are correct. It's workplace violence plus failed terrorist attack.

The aspect of getting "enraged at the Christmas party" is still a bit questionable. The police chief said that one witness said a couple words were exchanged between Farook and another attendee but other witnesses say he just slipped out. Regardless, the fact that he and his wife dropped their daughter off at his mother's house earlier that morning and told her they had a doctor's appointment, makes me think the Christmas Party was the initial target. I believe he went there first to scope it out and make sure the site was OK to attack, then left. The police chief said he was only gone for 10-30 minutes before he returned. He was ready to hit that place, then move on to another target.

Muslim San Bernardino gunman was 'radicalized by known terrorists' before he and Pakistani-born wife collected masses of ammunition, built more a than dozen pipe bombs and left their baby behind to slaughter 14 people at a holiday party

The case for "workplace violence" getting a little weak...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...other.html

(12-03-2015 01:54 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Even if you wanted to go full pious Islam and started detesting Western culture or US foreign policy... it's still hard to grasp how someone still makes that mental leap of deciding to blast away a room full of innocents in your neighborhood. Doesn't any shred of humanity or empathy kick in that says, "whoa, now that's taking it too far."

For a lot of these guys, they had decent upbringings and got college educated. We're not talking about people who got abused at an early age and their brains got out of whack.

I don't care how much you dive into a religion, you have to slip into a really, really dark place to carry this crap out. Scary part is that there are gobs of people willing to do just that.

Fortunately, most of them are on a different continent. I'd be nice if we'd take steps to keep them there.

(12-02-2015 03:57 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 03:55 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 03:50 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 03:49 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 03:41 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I have to tell you. The more this kind of crap goes on, the more certain I will be buying a few handguns in the near future.

Not just you.

Smith and Wesson stock is up 97% on the year.

My problem is that I live in a socialist state, so my name will get put on a list...

Maybe you should stop b!tching about it here and move.

LOL...I have a great job in a beautiful location, but I am growing weary of the state.

He's either in Washington State, Oregon or Caleeeeeefornia (Led by Governor Moonbeam - aka Jerry Brown) Some are still pretty, but infested with socialists. Seattle has their first Socialist City Councilwoman. I've lived in two of those states CA (Before Jerry Brown) and WA on the east side of the Cascades. It's a whole different world over there.

It would be nice to know which state he's in.

(12-03-2015 01:59 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 01:54 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Even if you wanted to go full pious Islam and started detesting Western culture or US foreign policy... it's still hard to grasp how someone still makes that mental leap of deciding to blast away a room full of innocents in your neighborhood. Doesn't any shred of humanity or empathy kick in that says, "whoa, now that's taking it too far."

For a lot of these guys, they had decent upbringings and got college educated. We're not talking about people who got abused at an early age and their brains got out of whack.

I don't care how much you dive into a religion, you have to slip into a really, really dark place to carry this crap out. Scary part is that there are gobs of people willing to do just that.

Fortunately, most of them are on a different continent. I'd be nice if we'd take steps to keep them there.

Yep. Unlike Europe, they actually have to cross an ocean to get here.

Unfortunately, our dopey president along with a bunch of bleeding heart Democrats want to provide the means for them to come here and just "let'um go"............because, you know - refugees. Feels good.

(12-03-2015 01:59 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 01:54 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Even if you wanted to go full pious Islam and started detesting Western culture or US foreign policy... it's still hard to grasp how someone still makes that mental leap of deciding to blast away a room full of innocents in your neighborhood. Doesn't any shred of humanity or empathy kick in that says, "whoa, now that's taking it too far."

For a lot of these guys, they had decent upbringings and got college educated. We're not talking about people who got abused at an early age and their brains got out of whack.

I don't care how much you dive into a religion, you have to slip into a really, really dark place to carry this crap out. Scary part is that there are gobs of people willing to do just that.

Fortunately, most of them are on a different continent. I'd be nice if we'd take steps to keep them there.

I would bet there are already hundreds of these sleeper cells around the country. Big Chief has been denying any Islamic terrorist activity for all of his 7 years in office.His own Staff members play along with it too. His open border policy has let in thousands of Bad people along with the good ones. Welcome to Obamanation !

(12-03-2015 01:57 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 01:38 PM)58-56 Wrote:  The 58-56 prediction:

A terrorist attack was planned, thus the stockpile of weapons, explosives and armor.

Farook became enraged at the Christmas party for reasons yet unknown. In his rage (fueled by his psychological preparation to kill and die), he shifted his target, going home to get his wife and his weapons. After shooting his personal enemies, he and the wife then left to take care of their political enemies but were stymied both by the hornet swarm of police they had kicked up with the first attack and the scrambling of their plans with the last-minute addition of the boss/coworker killings.

Short version: Both theories are correct. It's workplace violence plus failed terrorist attack.

The aspect of getting "enraged at the Christmas party" is still a bit questionable. The police chief said that one witness said a couple words were exchanged between Farook and another attendee but other witnesses say he just slipped out. Regardless, the fact that he and his wife dropped their daughter off at his mother's house earlier that morning and told her they had a doctor's appointment, makes me think the Christmas Party was the initial target. I believe he went there first to scope it out and make sure the site was OK to attack, then left. The police chief said he was only gone for 10-30 minutes before he returned. He was ready to hit that place, then move on to another target.

The Christmas party is such a personal target, and so useless from a terror perspective, that it just doesn't fit the narrative. I'm thinking something like, "Yes, beloved, I shall smite the infidels with you but I'm not leaving this world without smoking those ******** down at the office first."

(12-03-2015 02:09 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 01:57 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 01:38 PM)58-56 Wrote:  The 58-56 prediction:

A terrorist attack was planned, thus the stockpile of weapons, explosives and armor.

Farook became enraged at the Christmas party for reasons yet unknown. In his rage (fueled by his psychological preparation to kill and die), he shifted his target, going home to get his wife and his weapons. After shooting his personal enemies, he and the wife then left to take care of their political enemies but were stymied both by the hornet swarm of police they had kicked up with the first attack and the scrambling of their plans with the last-minute addition of the boss/coworker killings.

Short version: Both theories are correct. It's workplace violence plus failed terrorist attack.

The aspect of getting "enraged at the Christmas party" is still a bit questionable. The police chief said that one witness said a couple words were exchanged between Farook and another attendee but other witnesses say he just slipped out. Regardless, the fact that he and his wife dropped their daughter off at his mother's house earlier that morning and told her they had a doctor's appointment, makes me think the Christmas Party was the initial target. I believe he went there first to scope it out and make sure the site was OK to attack, then left. The police chief said he was only gone for 10-30 minutes before he returned. He was ready to hit that place, then move on to another target.

The Christmas party is such a personal target, and so useless from a terror perspective, that it just doesn't fit the narrative. I'm thinking something like, "Yes, beloved, I shall smite the infidels with you but I'm not leaving this world without smoking those ******** down at the office first."

This wasn't totally random as there was a connection between the idiots and that center. I guess familiarity and laziness coupled with something pissing them off led to the center being the target.

(12-03-2015 02:09 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 01:59 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 01:54 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Even if you wanted to go full pious Islam and started detesting Western culture or US foreign policy... it's still hard to grasp how someone still makes that mental leap of deciding to blast away a room full of innocents in your neighborhood. Doesn't any shred of humanity or empathy kick in that says, "whoa, now that's taking it too far."

For a lot of these guys, they had decent upbringings and got college educated. We're not talking about people who got abused at an early age and their brains got out of whack.

I don't care how much you dive into a religion, you have to slip into a really, really dark place to carry this crap out. Scary part is that there are gobs of people willing to do just that.

Fortunately, most of them are on a different continent. I'd be nice if we'd take steps to keep them there.

I would bet there are already hundreds of these sleeper cells around the country. Big Chief has been denying any Islamic terrorist activity for all of his 7 years in office.His own Staff members play along with it too. His open border policy has let in thousands of Bad people along with the good ones. Welcome to Obamanation !

It is beyond comprehension WHY anyone alive in this country cannot see what this is and continue to support BHO. The SOB should have been removed a long time ago , by whatever means needed. I'll NEVER use the name "President" and Obama ever again. NOT WORTHY... NOT EVEN CLOSE.

I know people in WA state that won't even discuss this. Makes me mad as hell.

(12-03-2015 02:09 PM)58-56 Wrote:  The Christmas party is such a personal target, and so useless from a terror perspective, that it just doesn't fit the narrative. I'm thinking something like, "Yes, beloved, I shall smite the infidels with you but I'm not leaving this world without smoking those ******** down at the office first."

Unless you think celebrating Christmas is somehow an insult to Muhammad. I'm not saying it is, but we're obviously talking about people with flawed logic to begin with.

I don't think this is 'that', but it certainly COULD be. Anyone else celebrating Christmas or doing something that someone could construe as insulting to Muhammad (which in the eyes of a zealot is almost anything other than praise) is a potential target.

Again, I don't suspect that is the case here... but it fits the narrative.

Give me a break. The only thing the Christmas party had to do with it was it was a convenient place to have a bunch of soft targets in a room he had access to. The goal was terrorism. The plan was to escape and continue killing elsewhere, hence the aresenal and explosives. Figured they could kill 15-20 people rapidly and then blend into society before the police got involved. Witnesses say the shooting lasted all of about 30 seconds and they were gone. The cops were there within 5 minutes. The rapid response and terrific job done by law enforcement foiled much of whatever they had planned.

(12-03-2015 02:40 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Give me a break. The only thing the Christmas party had to do with it was it was a convenient place to have a bunch of soft targets in a room he had access to. The goal was terrorism. The plan was to escape and continue killing elsewhere, hence the aresenal and explosives. Figured they could kill 15-20 people rapidly and then blend into society before the police got involved. Witnesses say the shooting lasted all of about 30 seconds and they were gone. The cops were there within 5 minutes. The rapid response and terrific job done by law enforcement foiled much of whatever they had planned.

Maybe they should have called it a "Happy Holiday Party". Would that have made a difference

Most important question I have right now is how did these terrorists finance their operation? It surely wasn't on his paycheck alone, so either he came from money, she did or they were receiving financial assistance in some manner.

(12-03-2015 01:25 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 01:13 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 12:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 06:21 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Oh come on now, don't get butthurt when you get called out. You might have not mentioned "gun control", but insinuated the **** out of it! I am surprised you didn't blame it on "climate change".

Pfft. You don't even know my position on gun control do you? Or what I've said on the matter countless times on this board? You just do your usual knee jerk reaction to every thing I ever say because you have this distorted perception of me just because I'm mostly liberal and have different views from you.

And you also don't have the first damned clue on my position on climate change either do you? You wouldn't have interjected it if you did.

Do you ever tire of looking foolish with your assumptions and generalizations?

Looking foolish???

So tell us, why did you bring up statistics of mass shooting?

Because in case you haven't noticed, we seem to have a lot of them in America...and I don't particularly like them. Did I say anything about gun control preventing or stopping them? No. I didn't.

And laugh all you want, you don't know my positions on gun control or climate change. So yeah, when you try to take me to task over positions I don't hold, YOU look foolish. Sorry.

Then whats your solution to the mass shootings?

Also, what are your positions on gun control and climate change?

I don't have a lot of time as I'm really busy, so I'll answer quickly.

1. Short of a time machine, I don't have an answer to mass shootings, other than education...maybe.

2. Gun bans now doesn't really solve anything...it's too late. I'm basically for reasonable background checks before all purchases everywhere.

3. I believe the climate is changing, but I don't know if it's man made or man preventable to a certainty at this point. I'm for common sense changes to conserve the planet...as long as they don't break the bank. What can it hurt really to protect the earth?

(12-03-2015 02:53 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  Most important question I have right now is how did these terrorists finance their operation? It surely wasn't on his paycheck alone, so either he came from money, she did or they were receiving financial assistance in some manner.

Once again, see those Nicely dressed Muslim Men the neighbor said made quite a few visits the last 2-3 weeks. Follow the Money.

(12-03-2015 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Because in case you haven't noticed, we seem to have a lot of them in America..

We have a lot of just about EVERYTHING in America.

1) we're big

2) we're free/independent

3) we're not at all homogeneous and in fact that is almost actively discouraged here.

We have more cars, more homes, more TVs, more personal debt, more clothes, more lawyers, more pets.....