I have yet to see mass demonstrations by so-called "Moderate Muslims" denouncing these acts of literal Islam.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-ber...re-n473311

(12-03-2015 10:10 AM)Paul M Wrote:  He went there to pick up the woman who had already agreed to this. Calling her wife was just to get her in here.

Well, if she wasn't really his wife then someone failed majorly at airport customs and DHS.

(12-03-2015 10:31 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I have yet to see mass demonstrations by so-called "Moderate Muslims" denouncing these acts of literal Islam.

Nor should we, but we've gone around that circle in other threads. No need to derail this one also.

(12-03-2015 10:39 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:10 AM)Paul M Wrote:  He went there to pick up the woman who had already agreed to this. Calling her wife was just to get her in here.

Well, if she wasn't really his wife then someone failed majorly at airport customs and DHS.

I wasn't being completely serious with that one but I didn't mean just saying wife. I meant he married her to get her in. Just an arrangement.

(12-03-2015 10:15 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Wonder whom the Nice dressed Muslims were that the neighbor was saying kept coming over to that house several times days before the attack. Some prominent local business Men ?

check out the video in previous post if you haven't already

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/0...ed-farook/

Leaders from the local Mosque.

(12-03-2015 10:18 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  You think the lib idiot Geraldo would like to take back this tweet...

Obviously he's wrong on this one but is the overriding point wrong? This **** happens all the time now and all we get is "wow that's terrible" and "he'll rot in hell" and "pray for the victims". Now the guy is a Muslim and it's actually a big enough deal to do something about.

Earlier in this topic I suggested that something needs to be done, even specifying that gun control was the least important measure and we need to be very careful about taking guns from law abiding people, and got jumped on as if I'm part of Obamas gun grabbing army.

We have a major problem with domestic terrorism in this country. This is another example, though it looks like there's an international component to this as well. Apparently we (and politicians on the left and right) are too busy bickering over whether it's Muslims or white people that are the biggest threat to actually do anything about it.

(12-03-2015 10:47 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:39 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:10 AM)Paul M Wrote:  He went there to pick up the woman who had already agreed to this. Calling her wife was just to get her in here.

Well, if she wasn't really his wife then someone failed majorly at airport customs and DHS.

I wasn't being completely serious with that one but I didn't mean just saying wife. I meant he married her to get her in. Just an arrangement.

Ah, OK, gotcha.

There's a reason it takes soooooooooooo long to go through the process. Unfortunately nothing is full proof.

(12-02-2015 11:01 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 09:34 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  . But I do think some limited gun control legislation that minimally restricts law abiding citizens' right to own a gun could be a part of this.

If you want to take on criminals and guns, by all means go for it. Leave the law abiding out of it.

The problem is that with something like 300mm legal guns in circulation, there AREN'T any 'minimal' restrictions that would have any meaningful impact on criminal activity. The restrictions would have to be so great as to reduce that number by perhaps half to remove a small fraction of the guns in criminal circulation.

(12-03-2015 08:00 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 07:57 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 07:47 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Guys, the Batman theater shooter boobied trapped his house. If he was a Muslim you would have said the same thing.

A leftwing Nut job at that.

And he acted alone, not with 2 others...


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This is key. Nut jobs might plan, but they don't usually get help. Kliebold and Harris, McVeigh and helpers and these guys aren't nut jobs.... other than in the sense that anyone who does this sort of thing isn't 'right in the head'. Someone obviously being encouraged/finding a partner in their anger/hatred/whatever isn't going to be fixed by mental health reforms. Mental health like all others has to be sought after and desired by the patient. You can't get that when others are encouraging and fostering your anger.

(12-03-2015 09:11 AM)fsquid Wrote:  NY Post cover this morning. Another jump to conclusions.

DUMB DUMB DUMB move on their part. Atheists can be vocal, but they aren't going to support the Daily News much more than they already do for 'taking on' religion.... but Christians, even moderate ones are going to be pissed off.

Yes, controversy sells, but if you're picking a side, pick the one where people are 'invested'... not the one where by definition, they aren't. MANY Atheists don't believe in God or thing praying does any good, but they aren't offended or mocking when people do so in response to tragedy.

The REAL wonder is that this is obviously a coordinated effort. What moron decided this is a 'winning' position? The religious (of ALL denominations) are vested, and the atheists are not.

And just Whom do the A-Holes at the Daily News think did the killing ? Hint, It sure wasn't Republican candidates.

Time to round these people up and send them packing. Cancel all Visas from anyone that follows Islam.

(12-02-2015 06:21 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 06:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 05:07 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 05:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 05:00 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  can you provide a link to your source?

Mass shooting is defined as at least 4 people shot at crime scene. Virtually every gang shooting is a mass shooting as long as they don't miss.

I agree with your statement.

Just funny how RWT ignores the religion of these perpetrators and goes straight for the guns. Sickening.

Oh STFU. I didn't mention one damned thing about gun control. You people...

Oh come on now, don't get butthurt when you get called out. You might have not mentioned "gun control", but insinuated the **** out of it! I am surprised you didn't blame it on "climate change".

Pfft. You don't even know my position on gun control do you? Or what I've said on the matter countless times on this board? You just do your usual knee jerk reaction to every thing I ever say because you have this distorted perception of me just because I'm mostly liberal and have different views from you.

And you also don't have the first damned clue on my position on climate change either do you? You wouldn't have interjected it if you did.

Do you ever tire of looking foolish with your assumptions and generalizations?

Wow....these terrorists had several thousand rounds of ammo in their car and back at the house, at least a dozen pipe bombs, remote controlled IED's. These terrorists were planning to do more. They rented the Ford Expedition just three days ago so the "rumor" about being angered at the party, is null and void. They planned to do this days ahead. As others have noted, he chose this location because he was familiar with the location, how to get in and out quickly, etc.

I think the obvious issue is hetrosexual marriage & leaving a daughter with her grandmother.

(12-03-2015 12:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 06:21 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 06:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 05:07 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 05:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Mass shooting is defined as at least 4 people shot at crime scene. Virtually every gang shooting is a mass shooting as long as they don't miss.

I agree with your statement.

Just funny how RWT ignores the religion of these perpetrators and goes straight for the guns. Sickening.

Oh STFU. I didn't mention one damned thing about gun control. You people...

Oh come on now, don't get butthurt when you get called out. You might have not mentioned "gun control", but insinuated the **** out of it! I am surprised you didn't blame it on "climate change".

Pfft. You don't even know my position on gun control do you? Or what I've said on the matter countless times on this board? You just do your usual knee jerk reaction to every thing I ever say because you have this distorted perception of me just because I'm mostly liberal and have different views from you.

And you also don't have the first damned clue on my position on climate change either do you? You wouldn't have interjected it if you did.

Do you ever tire of looking foolish with your assumptions and generalizations?

Looking foolish???

So tell us, why did you bring up statistics of mass shooting?

(12-03-2015 01:06 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Wow....these terrorists had several thousand rounds of ammo in their car and back at the house, at least a dozen pipe bombs, remote controlled IED's. These terrorists were planning to do more. They rented the Ford Expedition just three days ago so the "rumor" about being angered at the party, is null and void. They planned to do this days ahead. As others have noted, he chose this location because he was familiar with the location, how to get in and out quickly, etc.

Barack is not sure if this is terrorism or workplace violence...

Barack Not sure..


"it is possible that this was terrorist-related, but we don’t know."

"It’s also possible that this was workplace-related.




Redwingtom: I used Politico as my source. I hope this is acceptable to you.

(12-03-2015 01:13 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 12:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 06:21 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 06:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 05:07 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  I agree with your statement.

Just funny how RWT ignores the religion of these perpetrators and goes straight for the guns. Sickening.

Oh STFU. I didn't mention one damned thing about gun control. You people...

Oh come on now, don't get butthurt when you get called out. You might have not mentioned "gun control", but insinuated the **** out of it! I am surprised you didn't blame it on "climate change".

Pfft. You don't even know my position on gun control do you? Or what I've said on the matter countless times on this board? You just do your usual knee jerk reaction to every thing I ever say because you have this distorted perception of me just because I'm mostly liberal and have different views from you.

And you also don't have the first damned clue on my position on climate change either do you? You wouldn't have interjected it if you did.

Do you ever tire of looking foolish with your assumptions and generalizations?

Looking foolish???

So tell us, why did you bring up statistics of mass shooting?

Because in case you haven't noticed, we seem to have a lot of them in America...and I don't particularly like them. Did I say anything about gun control preventing or stopping them? No. I didn't.

And laugh all you want, you don't know my positions on gun control or climate change. So yeah, when you try to take me to task over positions I don't hold, YOU look foolish. Sorry.

(12-03-2015 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 01:13 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 12:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 06:21 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 06:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Oh STFU. I didn't mention one damned thing about gun control. You people...

Oh come on now, don't get butthurt when you get called out. You might have not mentioned "gun control", but insinuated the **** out of it! I am surprised you didn't blame it on "climate change".

Pfft. You don't even know my position on gun control do you? Or what I've said on the matter countless times on this board? You just do your usual knee jerk reaction to every thing I ever say because you have this distorted perception of me just because I'm mostly liberal and have different views from you.

And you also don't have the first damned clue on my position on climate change either do you? You wouldn't have interjected it if you did.

Do you ever tire of looking foolish with your assumptions and generalizations?

Looking foolish???

So tell us, why did you bring up statistics of mass shooting?

Because in case you haven't noticed, we seem to have a lot of them in America...and I don't particularly like them. Did I say anything about gun control preventing or stopping them? No. I didn't.

And laugh all you want, you don't know my positions on gun control or climate change. So yeah, when you try to take me to task over positions I don't hold, YOU look foolish. Sorry.

Then whats your solution to the mass shootings?

Also, what are your positions on gun control and climate change?

Officials: San Bernardino shooter apparently radicalized, in touch with terror subjects

Of course Barry will refuse to call them what they were. Will insist on workplace violence as the cause.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-ber...index.html

(12-03-2015 01:26 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Officials: San Bernardino shooter apparently radicalized, in touch with terror subjects

Of course Barry will refuse to call them what they were. Will insist on workplace violence as the cause.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-ber...index.html