(11-21-2015 05:03 PM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  Campbell was a solid player without much foot speed. The guys since him have been average at best. That's just it. Scoreboard
Legit qb prospects don't come to Wm and Mary for many of the same reasons legit post players for basketball don't show up. They want to be developed, play in systems where they are featured, and have deep receiving corps.
Tribe will be fine in postseason until they run into a team with real speed.

We just outrecruited the 4x FCS champ for a QB recruit this season

(11-21-2015 02:57 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Time to regroup, watch the selection show tomorrow, and get ready to bounce back the way we did after the UD game.

Hoping for better. Very disappointed with the play of nearly everyone today except for Dorka. But, we won 8 games, 6 in a row and other than today and the 4th quarter against Delaware played very well this season.

I tend to think much of the game was lost up front. No pressure on their QB and dominated on the line. On offense, a lot of pressure from their front, multiple hits on Cluely and lots of 1 yard passes again. The only potential good thing is unlike the last 2 years we will have another game to play.

(11-21-2015 05:03 PM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  Campbell was a solid player without much foot speed. The guys since him have been average at best. That's just it. Scoreboard
Legit qb prospects don't come to Wm and Mary for many of the same reasons legit post players for basketball don't show up. They want to be developed, play in systems where they are featured, and have deep receiving corps.
Tribe will be fine in postseason until they run into a team with real speed.

Coming in to today's game Cluley was 23rd in 1-AA in QB Efficiency Rating.

(11-21-2015 05:27 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 02:57 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Time to regroup, watch the selection show tomorrow, and get ready to bounce back the way we did after the UD game.

Hoping for better. Very disappointed with the play of nearly everyone today except for Dorka. But, we won 8 games, 6 in a row and other than today and the 4th quarter against Delaware played very well this season.

I tend to think much of the game was lost up front. No pressure on their QB and dominated on the line. On offense, a lot of pressure from their front, multiple hits on Cluely and lots of 1 yard passes again. The only potential good thing is unlike the last 2 years we will have another game to play.

I think we lost the game because we were out coached (as we have been the past 4 years by UR). Hard to tell why Cluley had such a horrible game. Yes he was rushed & hit but he has been for most games. Interestingly enough he had plenty of time on several of the ints. He also threw at least 2 "ints" that the UR D just dropped.

UR has no players that are way better than ours. We just played very poorly in most aspects of the game. To me it comes back to coaching & being able to play aggressive D (Bob Shoop) rather than this bend D that gives opponent receivers 8-10 yds room to make catches and puts no pressure on the QB. And then to let the UR RB run for over 200 yds- stop one or the other. Then today the OL that was supposed to be a strength was horrible.

And don't think our next opponent will not notice our weaknesses. The next balanced team we meet will be the last of the season.

By the way we scored NO TDs :<(

(11-21-2015 05:23 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 05:03 PM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  Campbell was a solid player without much foot speed. The guys since him have been average at best. That's just it. Scoreboard
Legit qb prospects don't come to Wm and Mary for many of the same reasons legit post players for basketball don't show up. They want to be developed, play in systems where they are featured, and have deep receiving corps.
Tribe will be fine in postseason until they run into a team with real speed.

We just outrecruited the 4x FCS champ for a QB recruit this season

That's a step in the right direction. Maybe we can leverage that with a receiver or two. You'll know when our recruiting has improved when these guys play a lot as true freshmen.
Speed is recruited. It's fatal on both sides. Outside in offense and all over on defense.
Frank Beamer would have remained on the sideline if that kid from Miami could have played instead of that guy they had back there. It will be interesting to see if the new guy there is an offensive mind.

What gives me the most hope for the playoffs is that this was, clearly, a bad game. Well below what we're capable of playing. Now if we play like this again we will lose (and rightfully so) but we SHOULDN'T play like this again. All the numbers from the season say that Cluley had an off day, our o-line had an off day, and our backs had an off day. If we play like everyone knows we can then we can make some noise in the postseason.

ETA: Also I want Richmond again. Before today I wanted to stay the hell away from a CAA rematch but now I want those ******* in the playoffs.

(11-21-2015 06:04 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  What gives me the most hope for the playoffs is that this was, clearly, a bad game. Well below what we're capable of playing. Now if we play like this again we will lose (and rightfully so) but we SHOULDN'T play like this again. All the numbers from the season say that Cluley had an off day, our o-line had an off day, and our backs had an off day. If we play like everyone knows we can then we can make some noise in the postseason.

ETA: Also I want Richmond again. Before today I wanted to stay the hell away from a CAA rematch but now I want those ******* in the playoffs.

After what I saw today I am not sure about that.....

(11-21-2015 06:11 PM)TribeNomad Wrote:  After what I saw today I am not sure about that.....

Logic be damned. I want it

(11-21-2015 06:14 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 06:11 PM)TribeNomad Wrote:  After what I saw today I am not sure about that.....

Logic be damned. I want it

Revenge is sweet!!!

Curious how this game would have played out if Richmond didn't lose their 2 prior games. I knew Richmond would come in to this game desperate and throw everything they had at W&M knowing that if they lose there was a decent chance they wouldn't make the playoffs.

Still not sure how W&M could look so disinterested with the CAA title on the line...

You have to be kidding me about being out coached. This was all on the players. We made a ton of mistakes, both mental and physical.

Our defense gave up 20 points to a team that scored the following this year:
21, 31, 42, 48, 27, 37, 59, 38, 25, 20, and our 20 points.

Our offensive effort was an "F" across the board except for maybe Caskin who played well and didn't drop a pass. The coaches didn't cause all of the penalties, drop the passes, or throw the interceptions.

Now, if you can show me that Jimmye didn't have them ready to play then I can agree with you, but game calling wasn't the problem it was execution.

(11-21-2015 05:48 PM)wanm65 Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 05:27 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 02:57 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Time to regroup, watch the selection show tomorrow, and get ready to bounce back the way we did after the UD game.

Hoping for better. Very disappointed with the play of nearly everyone today except for Dorka. But, we won 8 games, 6 in a row and other than today and the 4th quarter against Delaware played very well this season.

I tend to think much of the game was lost up front. No pressure on their QB and dominated on the line. On offense, a lot of pressure from their front, multiple hits on Cluely and lots of 1 yard passes again. The only potential good thing is unlike the last 2 years we will have another game to play.

I think we lost the game because we were out coached (as we have been the past 4 years by UR). Hard to tell why Cluley had such a horrible game. Yes he was rushed & hit but he has been for most games. Interestingly enough he had plenty of time on several of the ints. He also threw at least 2 "ints" that the UR D just dropped.

UR has no players that are way better than ours. We just played very poorly in most aspects of the game. To me it comes back to coaching & being able to play aggressive D (Bob Shoop) rather than this bend D that gives opponent receivers 8-10 yds room to make catches and puts no pressure on the QB. And then to let the UR RB run for over 200 yds- stop one or the other. Then today the OL that was supposed to be a strength was horrible.

And don't think our next opponent will not notice our weaknesses. The next balanced team we meet will be the last of the season.

By the way we scored NO TDs :<(

TBH I think 90% of our issues stemmed from the offensive line stuggling

(11-21-2015 07:19 PM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  Curious how this game would have played out if Richmond didn't lose their 2 prior games. I knew Richmond would come in to this game desperate and throw everything they had at W&M knowing that if they lose there was a decent chance they wouldn't make the playoffs.

Still not sure how W&M could look so disinterested with the CAA title on the line...

Agree. Reminded me of Georgia Southern.

[quote='Tribe32' pid='12682100' dateline='1448152609']
You have to be kidding me about being out coached. This was all on the players. We made a ton of mistakes, both mental and physical.

Our defense gave up 20 points to a team that scored the following this year:
21, 31, 42, 48, 27, 37, 59, 38, 25, 20, and our 20 points.

Our offensive effort was an "F" across the board except for maybe Caskin who played well and didn't drop a pass. The coaches didn't cause all of the penalties, drop the passes, or throw the interceptions.

Now, if you can show me that Jimmye didn't have them ready to play then I can agree with you, but game calling wasn't the problem it was execution.

[quote='wanm65' pid='12680998' dateline='1448146105']

This is 4 years in a row. At least the last 3 had play off implications. Are you saying all 4 were on the players?

It was hard to tell whether our coaching was a problem today because both lines lost. We had a lot more drops than usual, but Cluley was definitely off. His picks were mostly to defenders he didn't see. Did anyone see the roughing the passer play? I watched the ball downfield and didn't see him get hit. Did he take a hit to the head or was he slow getting up? It would certainly explain the rest of the day.

SoCal, aren't most of our top receivers freshmen or sophomores? Hart and Reeves aren't, but Dedmon, Armstrong, Kuzjak... Also, RJ Archer played professionally as a QB. Callahan and Paulus were both good QBs (Paulus until he hurt his shoulder).

Kuzjak - RS Soph, Dedmon - Soph, and Armstrong RS Fresh.

It's easy to look at today and judge. We got beat today. That happens, ask Ohio State (they punched their ticket to the FBS playoffs). Richmond had a good game plan and executed better. Our QB Cluley has had an outstanding year. He's made great decisions and thrown some nice balls.

Looks like we will make the second season. I'm excited to support our guys tomorrow during the selection show and next week where ever they play

(11-21-2015 09:14 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  It was hard to tell whether our coaching was a problem today because both lines lost. We had a lot more drops than usual, but Cluley was definitely off. His picks were mostly to defenders he didn't see. Did anyone see the roughing the passer play? I watched the ball downfield and didn't see him get hit. Did he take a hit to the head or was he slow getting up? It would certainly explain the rest of the day.

SoCal, aren't most of our top receivers freshmen or sophomores? Hart and Reeves aren't, but Dedmon, Armstrong, Kuzjak... Also, RJ Archer played professionally as a QB. Callahan and Paulus were both good QBs (Paulus until he hurt his shoulder).

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Watching the game on TV I saw Cluley get creamed a number of times as he was [or just after] releasing the ball, they were hard hits from big guys and Doc was slow to get up on several occasions. He was not sacked but was taken down hard more today more often than I have seen in the previous games combined.

(11-21-2015 05:03 PM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  Campbell was a solid player without much foot speed. The guys since him have been average at best. That's just it. Scoreboard
Legit qb prospects don't come to Wm and Mary for many of the same reasons legit post players for basketball don't show up. They want to be developed, play in systems where they are featured, and have deep receiving corps.
Tribe will be fine in postseason until they run into a team with real speed.

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I saw Campbell play a number of times and he seemed pretty fast/quick to me. And he was very good at scrambling and getting away from pass rushers - which Cluley can not do.

Cluley did get popped a couple times today, but he's a tough kid, he shook it off. I know there are only so many offensive plays in a game, but I would like to see what would happen if Caskins got a couple more touches a game. Dedmon too of course, even Armstrong. They get up field fast. Good thing is, we have them for another two years.

Anything can happen in the playoffs let's go on a five game win streak!

No, I wasn't talking about the last four years. I was talking about yesterday. I don't think we were out coached yesterday. The only questionable decision I saw was not kicking the field goal down 20-9. That would have given us a one score game. Even punting is better than going for it on fourth and long.

(11-21-2015 09:00 PM)wanm65 Wrote:  [quote='Tribe32' pid='12682100' dateline='1448152609']
You have to be kidding me about being out coached. This was all on the players. We made a ton of mistakes, both mental and physical.

Our defense gave up 20 points to a team that scored the following this year:
21, 31, 42, 48, 27, 37, 59, 38, 25, 20, and our 20 points.

Our offensive effort was an "F" across the board except for maybe Caskin who played well and didn't drop a pass. The coaches didn't cause all of the penalties, drop the passes, or throw the interceptions.

Now, if you can show me that Jimmye didn't have them ready to play then I can agree with you, but game calling wasn't the problem it was execution.

[quote='wanm65' pid='12680998' dateline='1448146105']

This is 4 years in a row. At least the last 3 had play off implications. Are you saying all 4 were on the players?