I'm lazy so I haven't looked at the record. What did UNC go under EW as interim coach?

(10-26-2015 04:54 PM)nyduke Wrote:  Giving up over 700 yards..........enough said

Yeah, and someone already mentioned on another thread, that 59 pts/720 yds should have been higher as during the 1st half RU receivers dropped 2 wide open passed in the JMU red zone that would have results in 1st downs & likely TDs. Instead RU goes 1 for 2 on FG after those 2 drops. They left 11 points off the board there. JMU was fortunate it wasn't 70 points and well over 750 yds..It was that bad..

(10-26-2015 07:51 PM)VBDuke95 Wrote:  I'm lazy so I haven't looked at the record. What did UNC go under EW as interim coach?

7-6

(10-26-2015 08:02 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 07:51 PM)VBDuke95 Wrote:  I'm lazy so I haven't looked at the record. What did UNC go under EW as interim coach?

7-6

He took over at the last moment, maybe one month prior to the first game.

(10-27-2015 09:42 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 08:02 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 07:51 PM)VBDuke95 Wrote:  I'm lazy so I haven't looked at the record. What did UNC go under EW as interim coach?

7-6

He took over at the last moment, maybe one month prior to the first game.

And what a first game it was. Their QB missed on one pass out of 23, and that one didn't hit the ground either- Dean Marlowe picked it off.

After what I saw on Saturday, it may be a blessing if he leaves. I think the success of this team since last year is almost all Vad Lee. Withers was a DC for many D-I schools, including Urban Meyer. And what I saw on Saturday was the worst defense I have ever seen. Ever. And to make matters worse, nothing was done to keep the ball in Vad and the offense's hands and out of Richmond's hands(punting both times around midfield in the 2nd half...no onside kick with 4 min remaining). Rocco out-coached the hell out of Withers on Saturday. And Rocco stinks.

I know he is fighting personnel issues on defense, but it should not have been THAT bad.

Without withers we never see Vad Lee. Major problems with X's and O's is often coordinator issues. We are insane pissing on Withers already. Insane.

lol.... Ready to let Withers go after going 14-2 in the last 16 games.

Man o Man. And we wonder why some other fans mock us?

Not saying let him go...but saying it won't be the end of the world if leaves.

(10-27-2015 10:08 AM)adogg6jmu Wrote:  After what I saw on Saturday, it may be a blessing if he leaves. I think the success of this team since last year is almost all Vad Lee. Withers was a DC for many D-I schools, including Urban Meyer. And what I saw on Saturday was the worst defense I have ever seen. Ever. And to make matters worse, nothing was done to keep the ball in Vad and the offense's hands and out of Richmond's hands(punting both times around midfield in the 2nd half...no onside kick with 4 min remaining). Rocco out-coached the hell out of Withers on Saturday. And Rocco stinks.

I know he is fighting personnel issues on defense, but it should not have been THAT bad.

Oh my....

I've not been anti-Withers, but my accolades have not come as quickly as others.

I like and thought he was a good hire. I was more unimpressed by his start than most. I was impressed with the progress of the team in the 2nd half of last year. The season ended in an unimpressive home playoff loss to Liberty

With that my grade for his first year was C+, much to the chagrin of others.

To me winning is more important than style. I love a good defense, but must admit the offense has been quite fun to watch. It appears Withers runs a clean program. You screwup, and you're suspended. Impressed with that. I like things he's done to the team incorporated with the students and vice versa. 14 regular season in a row is amazing consistency even if against lower than previous competition. He seems to be able to relate to the players. He's done decent with low grade assistants.

My negatives he can be a jerk when losing. His defense has never been real good. It's late in his second year and with below par injuries that defense was brutal last week. He came in talking upgrading the schedule and that is not happening.

Question in my mind - How good a coach is Withers without a top 2 QB in the nation? I think he's going to be good without Vad, but time will tell.

My grade for Withers for 1 & 2/3s season is a B/B-

The offense is an A+
Defense is a D
Results - B

We've beaten the bad teams, but the playoff game and Richmond game were key games I felt we were obviously outcoached.

I'm excited about our future with Withers, but would like and expect to see better results with D and big games.

(10-27-2015 10:23 AM)adogg6jmu Wrote:  Not saying let him go...but saying it won't be the end of the world if leaves.

Given our AD's track record of making high profile coaching hires, I'd say we are extremely lucky to have Withers. In a year and half, he's taken us from missing the playoffs regularly, with a boring as sh!t offense, to 14-2 in his last 16 games and (what should be) consecutive playoff appearances.

We're certainly going to find out what life is like without Vad back there, and that will tell us a bit more about Withers the coach versus Withers the recruiter. But to say losing EW would be no big deal is crazy if you ask me.

All that aside, I agree that our dithering on the FBS almost assures the fact that Withers will be gone sooner than later. He's probably thinking he was sold a bill of goods at this point.

(10-27-2015 10:51 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Question in my mind - How good a coach is Withers without a top 2 QB in the nation? I think he's going to be good without Vad, but time will tell.

No coach is good without great players on basically any level. I'd say over 50% of his job is to get great players here.

One could also say how good is Lee without Withers? Chicken or egg argument. Bottom line is wins and losses and I'm fine with our performance under EW.

(10-27-2015 10:08 AM)adogg6jmu Wrote:  After what I saw on Saturday, it may be a blessing if he leaves. I think the success of this team since last year is almost all Vad Lee. Withers was a DC for many D-I schools, including Urban Meyer. And what I saw on Saturday was the worst defense I have ever seen. Ever. And to make matters worse, nothing was done to keep the ball in Vad and the offense's hands and out of Richmond's hands(punting both times around midfield in the 2nd half...no onside kick with 4 min remaining). Rocco out-coached the hell out of Withers on Saturday. And Rocco stinks.

I know he is fighting personnel issues on defense, but it should not have been THAT bad.

Well oh my. I CAN'T BELIEVE WE LOST ONE GAME THIS YEAR. Fire everyone, cut all scholarships and put the for sale sign out on BFS. This board is getting rediculious

I know right? Even with losing the Richmond game, as bad as we played, we were still in the game. Oh, and Gameday. Mercy. Go Dukes.

(10-27-2015 11:21 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 10:51 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Question in my mind - How good a coach is Withers without a top 2 QB in the nation? I think he's going to be good without Vad, but time will tell.

No coach is good without great players on basically any level. I'd say over 50% of his job is to get great players here.

One could also say how good is Lee without Withers? Chicken or egg argument. Bottom line is wins and losses and I'm fine with our performance under EW.

We won't know how good Vad is without Withers in the offense, we will about Withers.

What was Mickey's record with Rascati and Landers versus without them?
What was Rip's record with Mike C versus without him.

I believe Mickey would of made the playoff each of the years he missed in the last 10 with a QB the caliber of landers, Rascati, Cawley, Lee.

I think it's a "Val"id question.

(10-27-2015 11:45 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 11:21 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 10:51 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Question in my mind - How good a coach is Withers without a top 2 QB in the nation? I think he's going to be good without Vad, but time will tell.

No coach is good without great players on basically any level. I'd say over 50% of his job is to get great players here.

One could also say how good is Lee without Withers? Chicken or egg argument. Bottom line is wins and losses and I'm fine with our performance under EW.

We won't know how good Vad is without Withers in the offense, we will about Withers.

What was Mickey's record with Rascati and Landers versus without them?
What was Rip's record with Mike C versus without him.

I believe Mickey would of made the playoff each of the years he missed in the last 10 with a QB the caliber of landers, Rascati, Cawley, Lee.

I think it's a "Val"id question.

Which goes back to great players win. Withers job is to get great players. So far he's done that well.

(10-27-2015 11:51 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 11:45 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 11:21 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 10:51 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Question in my mind - How good a coach is Withers without a top 2 QB in the nation? I think he's going to be good without Vad, but time will tell.

No coach is good without great players on basically any level. I'd say over 50% of his job is to get great players here.

One could also say how good is Lee without Withers? Chicken or egg argument. Bottom line is wins and losses and I'm fine with our performance under EW.

We won't know how good Vad is without Withers in the offense, we will about Withers.

What was Mickey's record with Rascati and Landers versus without them?
What was Rip's record with Mike C versus without him.

I believe Mickey would of made the playoff each of the years he missed in the last 10 with a QB the caliber of landers, Rascati, Cawley, Lee.

I think it's a "Val"id question.

Which goes back to great players win. Withers job is to get great players. So far he's done that well.

In 1AA the ultimate gauge, in my opinion, is playoff success. Small body of work at this point, but he should get an opportunity to improve on that shortly.

(10-27-2015 11:45 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 11:21 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 10:51 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Question in my mind - How good a coach is Withers without a top 2 QB in the nation? I think he's going to be good without Vad, but time will tell.

No coach is good without great players on basically any level. I'd say over 50% of his job is to get great players here.

One could also say how good is Lee without Withers? Chicken or egg argument. Bottom line is wins and losses and I'm fine with our performance under EW.

We won't know how good Vad is without Withers in the offense, we will about Withers.

What was Mickey's record with Rascati and Landers versus without them?
What was Rip's record with Mike C versus without him.

I believe Mickey would of made the playoff each of the years he missed in the last 10 with a QB the caliber of landers, Rascati, Cawley, Lee.

I think it's a "Val"id question.

With Rascati and following the year of our National Championship, we failed to make the playoffs.

(10-27-2015 11:34 AM)Big Duke Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 10:08 AM)adogg6jmu Wrote:  After what I saw on Saturday, it may be a blessing if he leaves. I think the success of this team since last year is almost all Vad Lee. Withers was a DC for many D-I schools, including Urban Meyer. And what I saw on Saturday was the worst defense I have ever seen. Ever. And to make matters worse, nothing was done to keep the ball in Vad and the offense's hands and out of Richmond's hands(punting both times around midfield in the 2nd half...no onside kick with 4 min remaining). Rocco out-coached the hell out of Withers on Saturday. And Rocco stinks.

I know he is fighting personnel issues on defense, but it should not have been THAT bad.

Well oh my. I CAN'T BELIEVE WE LOST ONE GAME THIS YEAR. Fire everyone, cut all scholarships and put the for sale sign out on BFS. This board is getting rediculious

Yea, because that's exactly what I said in my post. Calm down. It's like if someone criticizes EW, people get their panties in a bunch. By no means am I saying to fire Withers - that would be lunacy given his record over the past year and half and the strides that he's made in player discipline. All I am saying is that the jury is still out on whether our success has more to do with him, or that we have a special player in Vad Lee. From what I have seen, I am leaning toward that success being VL related.

What do we think our record would be if Birdsong was the QB for the past year and a half? How likely is it that EW is able to get quarterback talent like VL to come to JMU consistently? Can people seriously not be concerned with our defense and how they are playing in year 2 of EW?

(10-27-2015 12:14 PM)adogg6jmu Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 11:34 AM)Big Duke Wrote:  

(10-27-2015 10:08 AM)adogg6jmu Wrote:  After what I saw on Saturday, it may be a blessing if he leaves. I think the success of this team since last year is almost all Vad Lee. Withers was a DC for many D-I schools, including Urban Meyer. And what I saw on Saturday was the worst defense I have ever seen. Ever. And to make matters worse, nothing was done to keep the ball in Vad and the offense's hands and out of Richmond's hands(punting both times around midfield in the 2nd half...no onside kick with 4 min remaining). Rocco out-coached the hell out of Withers on Saturday. And Rocco stinks.

I know he is fighting personnel issues on defense, but it should not have been THAT bad.

Well oh my. I CAN'T BELIEVE WE LOST ONE GAME THIS YEAR. Fire everyone, cut all scholarships and put the for sale sign out on BFS. This board is getting rediculious

Yea, because that's exactly what I said in my post. Calm down. It's like if someone criticizes EW, people get their panties in a bunch. By no means am I saying to fire Withers - that would be lunacy given his record over the past year and half and the strides that he's made in player discipline. All I am saying is that the jury is still out on whether our success has more to do with him, or that we have a special player in Vad Lee. From what I have seen, I am leaning toward that success being VL related.

What do we think our record would be if Birdsong was the QB for the past year and a half? How likely is it that EW is able to get quarterback talent like VL to come to JMU consistently? Can people seriously not be concerned with our defense and how they are playing in year 2 of EW?

With all due respect - wait a second, what am I saying. With no due respect, you're just wrong. I love Vad but this is an ENTIRELY different program with EW than MM and it's waaaay beyond the QB1. With the same players, MM would've used Vad, Cardon, Abdullah, and Cheatham with an occasional desperate fade route to Domo Taylor or maybe a jet sweep to Ravenel. EW's regime has consistently found ways to put ALL of it athletes (Davis, Miller, Tutt, Hyman, etc.) in space which is one of JMU's bigger advantages over other teams (depth of speed and athletic ability). And don't even bring up Birdsong. He knew he wasn't a fit in the system and left and is now picking up splinters on Marshall's bench. Small sample size of course, but I'd much rather have Schor this weekend than MB and that's not meant as a dig at the GingaNinja, it's just that quick decision-making and pace of play are huge in this offense and those never seemed to be his strong suits.