(10-11-2015 08:18 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:59 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:39 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Ferttita is not letting Herman go anywhere, like he said, "everything can be solved by money" with a wink, at a private party, with the concern from some in the fan base about him leaving. Herman is actually Ferttitta hire.

South Carolina's AD dept has been well managed for some time, in fact I believe we've only fired one coach this century in any major sport (Darrin Horn in 2012). There is a lot of money to spend, we are willing to go up to 5-6 million for the right guy. Now we wouldn't do that for Herman but that gives you an idea

A promising young football coach isn't going to destory his career at that wasteland of program called South Carolina.

Tom Herman will get a big job at places like Texas, Nebraska, Ohio State in a few years and the like.

You post smack about him going to destroy his career at South Carolina, and then you add Nebraska to the list of big jobs.

(10-11-2015 10:28 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:39 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Since the Big 12 will probably be around until the GOR ends, and ND still has access to the Championship as an Independent. I can see in the ACC future with the ACC network, them grabbing both Cincinnati and Houston to expand the Viewership numbers into those Huge TV markets. Both schools have recently put a lot of money in improvements in facilities and improved in the academic side as well. Both would be great adds. Herman would be an outstanding coach to lead Houston into the league.

You right CardFan1, Houston and Cincinnati are ones who have strongly invested in their facilities, for Houston, the new football stadium has been a tremendous boost in terms of eye ball and attendance interest.

Not only are fans excited about the new football stadium but top notch recruits who never once thought about visiting Houston are now showing up unexpected.

I think matter time before Houston joins one of the five high payout revenue conferences.

If the ACC network happens, Temple will be a very serious possibility. They are the #4 TV market and solve a huge hole between BC, Syracuse, Pitt and Virginia. They have always gotten good TV ratings and even put an actual 35K+ in the Linc yesterday vs Tulane for noon start.

(10-11-2015 10:44 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

Quote:A promising young football coach isn't going to destory his career at that wasteland of program called South Carolina.

Tom Herman will get a big job at places like Texas, Nebraska, Ohio State in a few years and the like.

You post smack about him going to destroy his career at South Carolina, and then you add Nebraska to the list of big jobs.

At least Nebraska has some history. They have been to a national title game this century.

(10-12-2015 12:00 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 10:28 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:39 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Since the Big 12 will probably be around until the GOR ends, and ND still has access to the Championship as an Independent. I can see in the ACC future with the ACC network, them grabbing both Cincinnati and Houston to expand the Viewership numbers into those Huge TV markets. Both schools have recently put a lot of money in improvements in facilities and improved in the academic side as well. Both would be great adds. Herman would be an outstanding coach to lead Houston into the league.

You right CardFan1, Houston and Cincinnati are ones who have strongly invested in their facilities, for Houston, the new football stadium has been a tremendous boost in terms of eye ball and attendance interest.

Not only are fans excited about the new football stadium but top notch recruits who never once thought about visiting Houston are now showing up unexpected.

I think matter time before Houston joins one of the five high payout revenue conferences.

If the ACC network happens, Temple will be a very serious possibility. They are the #4 TV market and solve a huge hole between BC, Syracuse, Pitt and Virginia. They have always gotten good TV ratings and even put an actual 35K+ in the Linc yesterday vs Tulane for noon start.

Not happening.


I take that back......it's a possibility if the entire southern tier of the conference leaves because everybody left will not care about crippling football.

Since everyone else is discussing it, then it's not a derailment of the thread for me to say the following:

Houston has zero chance of B1G membership. They're ranked #133 in the research expenditure rankings, with about $131 million. Not even close.

(10-12-2015 08:11 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 12:00 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 10:28 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:39 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Since the Big 12 will probably be around until the GOR ends, and ND still has access to the Championship as an Independent. I can see in the ACC future with the ACC network, them grabbing both Cincinnati and Houston to expand the Viewership numbers into those Huge TV markets. Both schools have recently put a lot of money in improvements in facilities and improved in the academic side as well. Both would be great adds. Herman would be an outstanding coach to lead Houston into the league.

You right CardFan1, Houston and Cincinnati are ones who have strongly invested in their facilities, for Houston, the new football stadium has been a tremendous boost in terms of eye ball and attendance interest.

Not only are fans excited about the new football stadium but top notch recruits who never once thought about visiting Houston are now showing up unexpected.

I think matter time before Houston joins one of the five high payout revenue conferences.

If the ACC network happens, Temple will be a very serious possibility. They are the #4 TV market and solve a huge hole between BC, Syracuse, Pitt and Virginia. They have always gotten good TV ratings and even put an actual 35K+ in the Linc yesterday vs Tulane for noon start.

Not happening.


I take that back......it's a possibility if the entire southern tier of the conference leaves because everybody left will not care about crippling football.

Not that Temple is a Bad program, But Pitt already has the state of Pennsylvania covered and Only Penn State added would be considered. ACC is looking for new territories in next expansion if it were to happen at all.And would probably only happen if ND comes onboard fulltime, Big 12 folds, or an ACC Network needs it.

(10-12-2015 09:11 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Since everyone else is discussing it, then it's not a derailment of the thread for me to say the following:

Houston has zero chance of B1G membership. They're ranked #133 in the research expenditure rankings, with about $131 million. Not even close.

That's actually quite impressive for a university with no medical school.

USC-The one in California.

(10-12-2015 08:11 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 12:00 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 10:28 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:39 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Since the Big 12 will probably be around until the GOR ends, and ND still has access to the Championship as an Independent. I can see in the ACC future with the ACC network, them grabbing both Cincinnati and Houston to expand the Viewership numbers into those Huge TV markets. Both schools have recently put a lot of money in improvements in facilities and improved in the academic side as well. Both would be great adds. Herman would be an outstanding coach to lead Houston into the league.

You right CardFan1, Houston and Cincinnati are ones who have strongly invested in their facilities, for Houston, the new football stadium has been a tremendous boost in terms of eye ball and attendance interest.

Not only are fans excited about the new football stadium but top notch recruits who never once thought about visiting Houston are now showing up unexpected.

I think matter time before Houston joins one of the five high payout revenue conferences.

If the ACC network happens, Temple will be a very serious possibility. They are the #4 TV market and solve a huge hole between BC, Syracuse, Pitt and Virginia. They have always gotten good TV ratings and even put an actual 35K+ in the Linc yesterday vs Tulane for noon start.

Not happening.


I take that back......it's a possibility if the entire southern tier of the conference leaves because everybody left will not care about crippling football.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But if Temple continues to draw, your league presidents and league officials will certainly look at Temple as a serious possibility. The Philadelphia market is too lucrative to pass on when creating a network.

And Temple would compete very favorably in the ACC this year.

(10-12-2015 09:19 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 09:11 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Since everyone else is discussing it, then it's not a derailment of the thread for me to say the following:

Houston has zero chance of B1G membership. They're ranked #133 in the research expenditure rankings, with about $131 million. Not even close.

That's actually quite impressive for a university with no medical school.

Well, for comparison, ND State was #122 with $150 million.

MIT has no medical school, but does have health sciences. #12 with $900 million
Georgia Tech has no medical school and pretty low life sciences research, period. #23 with $730 million.


The lowest B1G schools are Indiana, #102 with only $198 million counted under the Bloomington campus and Nebraska, #81 with only $267 counted under the Lincoln campus.

But in both cases, the public medical school in each state is counted as a separate campus. IUPU-Indy is #70 with $333 million and U NE Medical Center is #128 with $137 million.



If the U of Houston system had a medical school with a lot of federal research grants, then that would be one thing. You could try to get that counted under the main campus. But as far as I know, there isn't one.

Mind you, this is FY2013 data. NSF has been a bit slow in getting the data updates out, but better lately.

FY2014 data is due out in November.

(10-12-2015 09:15 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 08:11 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 12:00 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 10:28 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:39 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Since the Big 12 will probably be around until the GOR ends, and ND still has access to the Championship as an Independent. I can see in the ACC future with the ACC network, them grabbing both Cincinnati and Houston to expand the Viewership numbers into those Huge TV markets. Both schools have recently put a lot of money in improvements in facilities and improved in the academic side as well. Both would be great adds. Herman would be an outstanding coach to lead Houston into the league.

You right CardFan1, Houston and Cincinnati are ones who have strongly invested in their facilities, for Houston, the new football stadium has been a tremendous boost in terms of eye ball and attendance interest.

Not only are fans excited about the new football stadium but top notch recruits who never once thought about visiting Houston are now showing up unexpected.

I think matter time before Houston joins one of the five high payout revenue conferences.

If the ACC network happens, Temple will be a very serious possibility. They are the #4 TV market and solve a huge hole between BC, Syracuse, Pitt and Virginia. They have always gotten good TV ratings and even put an actual 35K+ in the Linc yesterday vs Tulane for noon start.

Not happening.


I take that back......it's a possibility if the entire southern tier of the conference leaves because everybody left will not care about crippling football.

Not that Temple is a Bad program, But Pitt already has the state of Pennsylvania covered and Only Penn State added would be considered. ACC is looking for new territories in next expansion if it were to happen at all.And would probably only happen if ND comes onboard fulltime, Big 12 folds, or an ACC Network needs it.

Have you ever looked at a map of Pennsylvania? Pitt is on the other side of the state which is 5-7 hours away. Pitt is not even remotely close to entering the Philadelphia market. New York City and Washington D.C. are closer than Pittsburgh and Philadelphia are.

As for Penn State, they are 3 hours away from Philadelphia in the middle of the state. They have had a big presence in Philadelphia due to Temple's ineptness over the years. However, Temple's victory over them is changing perceptions about things in Philadelphia. Temple is garnering more local TV coverage, news coverage, etc. than ever. Separately, PSU is a Big 10 program and will make more money there than the ACC ever will. Forget about them, they are not going to the ACC.

I wrote this above, Temple needs to continue to draw people and be competitive. They have seriously improved their facilities and decisions are being made about building an on campus stadium and/or continuing to play at the Linc. As I stated earlier, they drew an actual 35K+ for a noon game vs. Tulane. One of the many stigmas out there has been that Temple only draws for PSU. However, this number (against a team that brings no fans) is changing the perception. The question is, can they keep it up?

General fans of other teams have no idea about the progress Temple has made and still point to them as the team from 10-20 years ago. But I can assure you, the league presidents, officials, etc. will take notice. The point of an ACC network is to increase revenues, etc. for the league. A competitive, Temple team that draws in the #4 TV market will be seriously considered.

(10-12-2015 09:30 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 09:19 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 09:11 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Since everyone else is discussing it, then it's not a derailment of the thread for me to say the following:

Houston has zero chance of B1G membership. They're ranked #133 in the research expenditure rankings, with about $131 million. Not even close.

That's actually quite impressive for a university with no medical school.

Well, for comparison, ND State was #122 with $150 million.

MIT has no medical school, but does have health sciences. #12 with $900 million
Georgia Tech has no medical school and pretty low life sciences research, period. #23 with $730 million.


The lowest B1G schools are Indiana, #102 with only $198 million counted under the Bloomington campus and Nebraska, #81 with only $267 counted under the Lincoln campus.

But in both cases, the public medical school in each state is counted as a separate campus. IUPU-Indy is #70 with $333 million and U NE Medical Center is #128 with $137 million.



If the U of Houston system had a medical school with a lot of federal research grants, then that would be one thing. You could try to get that counted under the main campus. But as far as I know, there isn't one.

Are you the Dude of MN from Twitter?

I don't see the big 10 taking any city school's with the possible exception of Miami. As for the medical school's, maybe baylor college of M doesn't will affiliate with some school, baylor-again , rice, houston, etc.

(10-12-2015 09:25 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 08:11 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 12:00 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 10:28 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 09:39 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Since the Big 12 will probably be around until the GOR ends, and ND still has access to the Championship as an Independent. I can see in the ACC future with the ACC network, them grabbing both Cincinnati and Houston to expand the Viewership numbers into those Huge TV markets. Both schools have recently put a lot of money in improvements in facilities and improved in the academic side as well. Both would be great adds. Herman would be an outstanding coach to lead Houston into the league.

You right CardFan1, Houston and Cincinnati are ones who have strongly invested in their facilities, for Houston, the new football stadium has been a tremendous boost in terms of eye ball and attendance interest.

Not only are fans excited about the new football stadium but top notch recruits who never once thought about visiting Houston are now showing up unexpected.

I think matter time before Houston joins one of the five high payout revenue conferences.

If the ACC network happens, Temple will be a very serious possibility. They are the #4 TV market and solve a huge hole between BC, Syracuse, Pitt and Virginia. They have always gotten good TV ratings and even put an actual 35K+ in the Linc yesterday vs Tulane for noon start.

Not happening.


I take that back......it's a possibility if the entire southern tier of the conference leaves because everybody left will not care about crippling football.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But if Temple continues to draw, your league presidents and league officials will certainly look at Temple as a serious possibility. The Philadelphia market is too lucrative to pass on when creating a network.

And Temple would compete very favorably in the ACC this year.

Two things-

35k fans is awesome for a G5. Congrats! It's still crap and wouldn't be a favorable factor in your hypothetical interest from the ACC.

And saying you would compete in this year's ACC isn't saying very much. Outside of Clemson, FSU, and maybe Duke that's like saying you could compete in the Special Olympics.


Neither factor is going to overcome the fact that Temple is one of the worst football programs historically, has no stadium, and doesn't help football.

(10-12-2015 09:46 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 09:30 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 09:19 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 09:11 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Since everyone else is discussing it, then it's not a derailment of the thread for me to say the following:

Houston has zero chance of B1G membership. They're ranked #133 in the research expenditure rankings, with about $131 million. Not even close.

That's actually quite impressive for a university with no medical school.

Well, for comparison, ND State was #122 with $150 million.

MIT has no medical school, but does have health sciences. #12 with $900 million
Georgia Tech has no medical school and pretty low life sciences research, period. #23 with $730 million.


The lowest B1G schools are Indiana, #102 with only $198 million counted under the Bloomington campus and Nebraska, #81 with only $267 counted under the Lincoln campus.

But in both cases, the public medical school in each state is counted as a separate campus. IUPU-Indy is #70 with $333 million and U NE Medical Center is #128 with $137 million.



If the U of Houston system had a medical school with a lot of federal research grants, then that would be one thing. You could try to get that counted under the main campus. But as far as I know, there isn't one.

Are you the Dude of MN from Twitter?

Not sure if this is a serious question. No, I have never heard of that account and I don't personally have a Twitter account.

(10-12-2015 10:04 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I don't see the big 10 taking any city school's with the possible exception of Miami. As for the medical school's, maybe baylor college of M doesn't will affiliate with some school, baylor-again , rice, houston, etc.

There are several medical schools/health science centers in Texas that are high on the research list, with Baylor CoM among them.

The Wikipedia page says it separated from Baylor U in order to apply for federal research grants, back in the 60's. I wonder what that was about. I doubt that being part of Baylor U today would prevent it from getting grants.


Anyway, if it was going to affiliate with a university, the obvious one would be Rice, which has no medical school and low levels of life sciences research, but is well known and regarded in physical sciences and engineering.

I'm sure the U of Houston would do anything possible to take over Baylor CoM and count their research as UH research. Then UH would be possible to join the B1G. But I doubt this could ever happen. Probably same for Baylor U taking Baylor CoM over, as well.

(10-12-2015 10:18 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 09:25 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 08:11 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 12:00 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 10:28 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  You right CardFan1, Houston and Cincinnati are ones who have strongly invested in their facilities, for Houston, the new football stadium has been a tremendous boost in terms of eye ball and attendance interest.

Not only are fans excited about the new football stadium but top notch recruits who never once thought about visiting Houston are now showing up unexpected.

I think matter time before Houston joins one of the five high payout revenue conferences.

If the ACC network happens, Temple will be a very serious possibility. They are the #4 TV market and solve a huge hole between BC, Syracuse, Pitt and Virginia. They have always gotten good TV ratings and even put an actual 35K+ in the Linc yesterday vs Tulane for noon start.

Not happening.


I take that back......it's a possibility if the entire southern tier of the conference leaves because everybody left will not care about crippling football.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But if Temple continues to draw, your league presidents and league officials will certainly look at Temple as a serious possibility. The Philadelphia market is too lucrative to pass on when creating a network.

And Temple would compete very favorably in the ACC this year.

Two things-

35k fans is awesome for a G5. Congrats! It's still crap and wouldn't be a favorable factor in your hypothetical interest from the ACC.

And saying you would compete in this year's ACC isn't saying very much. Outside of Clemson, FSU, and maybe Duke that's like saying you could compete in the Special Olympics.


Neither factor is going to overcome the fact that Temple is one of the worst football programs historically, has no stadium, and doesn't help football.

We are a G5 for now. I said if a G5 team is considered and an ACC network is developed, Temple will be looked at seriously. If Texas, etc. are considering a deal with the ACC, they would obviously be looked at first.

And we can compare how competitive we are vs. ND on Halloween. And we may have a on campus stadium coming. If we don't, we stay at the Linc. And Rutgers and Maryland surely helped the Big 10 in football.

(10-12-2015 10:40 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 10:18 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 09:25 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 08:11 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-12-2015 12:00 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  If the ACC network happens, Temple will be a very serious possibility. They are the #4 TV market and solve a huge hole between BC, Syracuse, Pitt and Virginia. They have always gotten good TV ratings and even put an actual 35K+ in the Linc yesterday vs Tulane for noon start.

Not happening.


I take that back......it's a possibility if the entire southern tier of the conference leaves because everybody left will not care about crippling football.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But if Temple continues to draw, your league presidents and league officials will certainly look at Temple as a serious possibility. The Philadelphia market is too lucrative to pass on when creating a network.

And Temple would compete very favorably in the ACC this year.

Two things-

35k fans is awesome for a G5. Congrats! It's still crap and wouldn't be a favorable factor in your hypothetical interest from the ACC.

And saying you would compete in this year's ACC isn't saying very much. Outside of Clemson, FSU, and maybe Duke that's like saying you could compete in the Special Olympics.


Neither factor is going to overcome the fact that Temple is one of the worst football programs historically, has no stadium, and doesn't help football.

We are a G5 for now. I said if a G5 team is considered and an ACC network is developed, Temple will be looked at seriously. If Texas, etc. are considering a deal with the ACC, they would obviously be looked at first.

And we can compare how competitive we are vs. ND on Halloween. And we may have a on campus stadium coming. If we don't, we stay at the Linc. And Rutgers and Maryland surely helped the Big 10 in football.

If by considered you mean something like:

Swofford - "Hey anybody interested in Temple?"

ACC Presidents - <crickets>

Swofford - "OK then, moving along."


The football schools were fully prepared to look at other options besides the ACC if they had added UConn and UConn brings a hell of a lot more to the table than Temple. Let that sink in a little bit then tell me how much consideration Temple is going to get.

The way I see things, the ACC will not expanding anytime soon for anyone. Everyone is settling from the last round, getting used to new realities, and enjoying some actual stabliity. The only way power 5 conference that might expand is the Big 12 and my impression is the nays remain a majority there.

In my opinion, the last round changed a lot of dynamics and people greatly underestimate the risks of over-expansion. I dont see anyone who is going to want serious change again until they at least see how the current dynamic will play out over the medium term.