(09-25-2015 06:47 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Stillman College may be more interested in DI, but I'm not sure they've been DII long enough.

Stillman is a train wreck right now unfortunately. They're struggling with sports attendance across the board right now.

(09-25-2015 05:27 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 09:50 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 06:47 AM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(09-16-2015 02:59 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(09-16-2015 02:53 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Alabama A&M does not have a serious athletics program. UAH already has DI hockey and basketball isn't a stretch. Huntsville needs a true DI programs.

UNA needs an Alabama rival in the ASun.

I didn't even realize A&M was that far north. Was thinking around Birmingham, for some reason.

UAH already has DI hockey, as you said. Are people in Huntsville starved for non-HBCU, low-major, DI basketball?



I'd be curious to know how much it costs, just in upgrades to total scholarships and minimum number of sports sponsored, to go from a non-fb DII to a non-fb DI.

Probably would be fairly minimal cost, if UAH didn't have to add any sports or make any facility updates.

A&M usually plays their largest games in Birmingham including the largest game in FCS(The Magic City Classic). The bulk of A&Ms fans on game day come from the Birmingham area and about 1 out if 4 people on their campus are also from the Birmingham area. You can pick a spot in 65 north around Cullman on Friday evenings/Saturday mornings and watch the amount of A&M flags traveling north on game days.

0?

Okay okay... I'll be nice.

2 or 3?

The game in Bham is big, but that is one game. I can't think of any time when there is any really obvious public outpouring of support for either school. Living in Montgomery seeing an Alabama State flag is rare.

Amongst the black population in Birmingham A&M/State are THE schools. I graduated from Bama State so I'm not sure where you hanging in Montgomery not see any ASU flags and gear.

I have no doubt of that.

As for the flags, not many at all and I spend most of my time either downtown or around Eastchase. I'd say there is less outward display of support than you see for Faulkner or Huntingdon.

You do see the gear in stores, no doubt about that. There is always a section for it, especially around the school.

I honestly would've thought that UNA would've left the GSC years ago back when UCA left for the Southland.

(09-25-2015 06:59 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  I honestly would've thought that UNA would've left the GSC years ago back when UCA left for the Southland.

We had people in positions of power who'd rather hang on to the D2 National Championship Game than get on with our future and it's gonna cost us big time. If we had moved up when we should have, it would have cost us a $5,000 fee. Now it's $1.4 million just to get in!

(09-25-2015 11:37 PM)High Plains Drifter Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 06:59 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  I honestly would've thought that UNA would've left the GSC years ago back when UCA left for the Southland.

We had people in positions of power who'd rather hang on to the D2 National Championship Game than get on with our future and it's gonna cost us big time. If we had moved up when we should have, it would have cost us a $5,000 fee. Now it's $1.4 million just to get in!

That might change soon. With some of the FBS major schools like the Big 10 will stop scheduling games with FCS, and so forth? I could see some FCS move up to the FBS level, and that a bunch of the lower D1 conferences will move teams around to be more regionally. MVC football will need to move away from the basketball schools, Elon moves back to the Southern. And many D2 schools will come up to help fill in the geography side of the lower D1 football. North Alabama is like a Georgia Southern in D2 and would help the Southern Conference out more to regain their strength. Valdosta State would help in Georgia.

(09-26-2015 02:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 11:37 PM)High Plains Drifter Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 06:59 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  I honestly would've thought that UNA would've left the GSC years ago back when UCA left for the Southland.

We had people in positions of power who'd rather hang on to the D2 National Championship Game than get on with our future and it's gonna cost us big time. If we had moved up when we should have, it would have cost us a $5,000 fee. Now it's $1.4 million just to get in!

That might change soon. With some of the FBS major schools like the Big 10 will stop scheduling games with FCS, and so forth? I could see some FCS move up to the FBS level, and that a bunch of the lower D1 conferences will move teams around to be more regionally. MVC football will need to move away from the basketball schools, Elon moves back to the Southern. And many D2 schools will come up to help fill in the geography side of the lower D1 football. North Alabama is like a Georgia Southern in D2 and would help the Southern Conference out more to regain their strength. Valdosta State would help in Georgia.

Socon does not want another Georgia southern. They had a chance at Jacksonville st and took samford. Mercer instead of Kennesaw. They like small private schools and are not going to throw off their 9/10 arrangement just for the heck of it

(09-26-2015 07:01 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 02:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 11:37 PM)High Plains Drifter Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 06:59 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  I honestly would've thought that UNA would've left the GSC years ago back when UCA left for the Southland.

We had people in positions of power who'd rather hang on to the D2 National Championship Game than get on with our future and it's gonna cost us big time. If we had moved up when we should have, it would have cost us a $5,000 fee. Now it's $1.4 million just to get in!

That might change soon. With some of the FBS major schools like the Big 10 will stop scheduling games with FCS, and so forth? I could see some FCS move up to the FBS level, and that a bunch of the lower D1 conferences will move teams around to be more regionally. MVC football will need to move away from the basketball schools, Elon moves back to the Southern. And many D2 schools will come up to help fill in the geography side of the lower D1 football. North Alabama is like a Georgia Southern in D2 and would help the Southern Conference out more to regain their strength. Valdosta State would help in Georgia.

Socon does not want another Georgia southern. They had a chance at Jacksonville st and took samford. Mercer instead of Kennesaw. They like small private schools and are not going to throw off their 9/10 arrangement just for the heck of it

Point well taken

(09-26-2015 07:01 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 02:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 11:37 PM)High Plains Drifter Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 06:59 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  I honestly would've thought that UNA would've left the GSC years ago back when UCA left for the Southland.

We had people in positions of power who'd rather hang on to the D2 National Championship Game than get on with our future and it's gonna cost us big time. If we had moved up when we should have, it would have cost us a $5,000 fee. Now it's $1.4 million just to get in!

That might change soon. With some of the FBS major schools like the Big 10 will stop scheduling games with FCS, and so forth? I could see some FCS move up to the FBS level, and that a bunch of the lower D1 conferences will move teams around to be more regionally. MVC football will need to move away from the basketball schools, Elon moves back to the Southern. And many D2 schools will come up to help fill in the geography side of the lower D1 football. North Alabama is like a Georgia Southern in D2 and would help the Southern Conference out more to regain their strength. Valdosta State would help in Georgia.

Socon does not want another Georgia southern. They had a chance at Jacksonville st and took samford. Mercer instead of Kennesaw. They like small private schools and are not going to throw off their 9/10 arrangement just for the heck of it

They will soon realized that to survive for football, they might need to look at expanding within the footprint which includes public. If they can't play ACC or SEC schools in the future? They might have to re-look at inviting public schools.

(09-26-2015 09:09 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 07:01 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 02:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 11:37 PM)High Plains Drifter Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 06:59 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  I honestly would've thought that UNA would've left the GSC years ago back when UCA left for the Southland.

We had people in positions of power who'd rather hang on to the D2 National Championship Game than get on with our future and it's gonna cost us big time. If we had moved up when we should have, it would have cost us a $5,000 fee. Now it's $1.4 million just to get in!

That might change soon. With some of the FBS major schools like the Big 10 will stop scheduling games with FCS, and so forth? I could see some FCS move up to the FBS level, and that a bunch of the lower D1 conferences will move teams around to be more regionally. MVC football will need to move away from the basketball schools, Elon moves back to the Southern. And many D2 schools will come up to help fill in the geography side of the lower D1 football. North Alabama is like a Georgia Southern in D2 and would help the Southern Conference out more to regain their strength. Valdosta State would help in Georgia.

Socon does not want another Georgia southern. They had a chance at Jacksonville st and took samford. Mercer instead of Kennesaw. They like small private schools and are not going to throw off their 9/10 arrangement just for the heck of it

They will soon realized that to survive for football, they might need to look at expanding within the footprint which includes public. If they can't play ACC or SEC schools in the future? They might have to re-look at inviting public schools.

How are they going to die out if they dont invite public schools?

(09-26-2015 10:12 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 09:09 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 07:01 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 02:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-25-2015 11:37 PM)High Plains Drifter Wrote:  We had people in positions of power who'd rather hang on to the D2 National Championship Game than get on with our future and it's gonna cost us big time. If we had moved up when we should have, it would have cost us a $5,000 fee. Now it's $1.4 million just to get in!

That might change soon. With some of the FBS major schools like the Big 10 will stop scheduling games with FCS, and so forth? I could see some FCS move up to the FBS level, and that a bunch of the lower D1 conferences will move teams around to be more regionally. MVC football will need to move away from the basketball schools, Elon moves back to the Southern. And many D2 schools will come up to help fill in the geography side of the lower D1 football. North Alabama is like a Georgia Southern in D2 and would help the Southern Conference out more to regain their strength. Valdosta State would help in Georgia.

Socon does not want another Georgia southern. They had a chance at Jacksonville st and took samford. Mercer instead of Kennesaw. They like small private schools and are not going to throw off their 9/10 arrangement just for the heck of it

They will soon realized that to survive for football, they might need to look at expanding within the footprint which includes public. If they can't play ACC or SEC schools in the future? They might have to re-look at inviting public schools.

How are they going to die out if they dont invite public schools?

The extra money playing P5 schools help their sports programs with funding. If that avenue dries up? They have to rethink on what to do next. The next step is that the FCS might wind up going geographical footprint and no more Youngstown State to Fargo in a football conference. That way, they can save money. The public in the Gulf South Conference is in their footprint.

(09-26-2015 02:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 10:12 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 09:09 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 07:01 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 02:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  That might change soon. With some of the FBS major schools like the Big 10 will stop scheduling games with FCS, and so forth? I could see some FCS move up to the FBS level, and that a bunch of the lower D1 conferences will move teams around to be more regionally. MVC football will need to move away from the basketball schools, Elon moves back to the Southern. And many D2 schools will come up to help fill in the geography side of the lower D1 football. North Alabama is like a Georgia Southern in D2 and would help the Southern Conference out more to regain their strength. Valdosta State would help in Georgia.

Socon does not want another Georgia southern. They had a chance at Jacksonville st and took samford. Mercer instead of Kennesaw. They like small private schools and are not going to throw off their 9/10 arrangement just for the heck of it

They will soon realized that to survive for football, they might need to look at expanding within the footprint which includes public. If they can't play ACC or SEC schools in the future? They might have to re-look at inviting public schools.

How are they going to die out if they dont invite public schools?

The extra money playing P5 schools help their sports programs with funding. If that avenue dries up? They have to rethink on what to do next. The next step is that the FCS might wind up going geographical footprint and no more Youngstown State to Fargo in a football conference. That way, they can save money. The public in the Gulf South Conference is in their footprint.

Ok say the acc and sec decide not to play socon schools. They still have a likeminded unit of fcs schools in a consolidated geographic footprint. How will adding non likeminded fcs schools help them?

(09-26-2015 04:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 02:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 10:12 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 09:09 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 07:01 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Socon does not want another Georgia southern. They had a chance at Jacksonville st and took samford. Mercer instead of Kennesaw. They like small private schools and are not going to throw off their 9/10 arrangement just for the heck of it

They will soon realized that to survive for football, they might need to look at expanding within the footprint which includes public. If they can't play ACC or SEC schools in the future? They might have to re-look at inviting public schools.

How are they going to die out if they dont invite public schools?

The extra money playing P5 schools help their sports programs with funding. If that avenue dries up? They have to rethink on what to do next. The next step is that the FCS might wind up going geographical footprint and no more Youngstown State to Fargo in a football conference. That way, they can save money. The public in the Gulf South Conference is in their footprint.

Ok say the acc and sec decide not to play socon schools. They still have a likeminded unit of fcs schools in a consolidated geographic footprint. How will adding non likeminded fcs schools help them?

Adding schools in the region can save money in travel costs. Last I saw, Shorter was beating their FCS opponent.

(09-26-2015 05:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 04:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 02:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 10:12 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 09:09 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  They will soon realized that to survive for football, they might need to look at expanding within the footprint which includes public. If they can't play ACC or SEC schools in the future? They might have to re-look at inviting public schools.

How are they going to die out if they dont invite public schools?

The extra money playing P5 schools help their sports programs with funding. If that avenue dries up? They have to rethink on what to do next. The next step is that the FCS might wind up going geographical footprint and no more Youngstown State to Fargo in a football conference. That way, they can save money. The public in the Gulf South Conference is in their footprint.

Ok say the acc and sec decide not to play socon schools. They still have a likeminded unit of fcs schools in a consolidated geographic footprint. How will adding non likeminded fcs schools help them?

Adding schools in the region can save money in travel costs. Last I saw, Shorter was beating their FCS opponent.

I dont see how the socon can save much money in travel. Its a pretty concise footprint as is

(09-26-2015 05:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 04:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 02:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 10:12 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 09:09 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  They will soon realized that to survive for football, they might need to look at expanding within the footprint which includes public. If they can't play ACC or SEC schools in the future? They might have to re-look at inviting public schools.

How are they going to die out if they dont invite public schools?

The extra money playing P5 schools help their sports programs with funding. If that avenue dries up? They have to rethink on what to do next. The next step is that the FCS might wind up going geographical footprint and no more Youngstown State to Fargo in a football conference. That way, they can save money. The public in the Gulf South Conference is in their footprint.

Ok say the acc and sec decide not to play socon schools. They still have a likeminded unit of fcs schools in a consolidated geographic footprint. How will adding non likeminded fcs schools help them?

Adding schools in the region can save money in travel costs. Last I saw, Shorter was beating their FCS opponent.

And yes, Shorter did beat SEMO and had the "crown jewel" Kennesaw State beat last week. Too bad they're a lower rung team in the GSC.

(09-26-2015 11:20 PM)High Plains Drifter Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 05:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 04:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 02:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 10:12 AM)solohawks Wrote:  How are they going to die out if they dont invite public schools?

The extra money playing P5 schools help their sports programs with funding. If that avenue dries up? They have to rethink on what to do next. The next step is that the FCS might wind up going geographical footprint and no more Youngstown State to Fargo in a football conference. That way, they can save money. The public in the Gulf South Conference is in their footprint.

Ok say the acc and sec decide not to play socon schools. They still have a likeminded unit of fcs schools in a consolidated geographic footprint. How will adding non likeminded fcs schools help them?

Adding schools in the region can save money in travel costs. Last I saw, Shorter was beating their FCS opponent.

And yes, Shorter did beat SEMO and had the "crown jewel" Kennesaw State beat last week. Too bad they're a lower rung team in the GSC.

Shorter, Florida Tech, Union Tenn., Lee and Christian Brothers are privates that are GSC or an affiliate to the conference. Only 2 of them are football playing members. Lee earlier this year tabled the idea of adding football, and Union is thinking about adding football. If Union or Lee does add football? They could be a replacement if Chattanooga moves to FBS. Shorter and Lee are just recent addition to D2 from NAIA ranks.

Gardner webb could also replace a Chattanooga. And they are already in fcs

(09-27-2015 03:13 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 11:20 PM)High Plains Drifter Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 05:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 04:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 02:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The extra money playing P5 schools help their sports programs with funding. If that avenue dries up? They have to rethink on what to do next. The next step is that the FCS might wind up going geographical footprint and no more Youngstown State to Fargo in a football conference. That way, they can save money. The public in the Gulf South Conference is in their footprint.

Ok say the acc and sec decide not to play socon schools. They still have a likeminded unit of fcs schools in a consolidated geographic footprint. How will adding non likeminded fcs schools help them?

Adding schools in the region can save money in travel costs. Last I saw, Shorter was beating their FCS opponent.

And yes, Shorter did beat SEMO and had the "crown jewel" Kennesaw State beat last week. Too bad they're a lower rung team in the GSC.

Shorter, Florida Tech, Union Tenn., Lee and Christian Brothers are privates that are GSC or an affiliate to the conference. Only 2 of them are football playing members. Lee earlier this year tabled the idea of adding football, and Union is thinking about adding football. If Union or Lee does add football? They could be a replacement if Chattanooga moves to FBS. Shorter and Lee are just recent addition to D2 from NAIA ranks.

I was just kidding about Shorter or any of the others replacing UTC when there's already a D-1 ready school available (North Alabama of course).

(09-27-2015 11:59 AM)High Plains Drifter Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 03:13 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 11:20 PM)High Plains Drifter Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 05:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 04:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Ok say the acc and sec decide not to play socon schools. They still have a likeminded unit of fcs schools in a consolidated geographic footprint. How will adding non likeminded fcs schools help them?

Adding schools in the region can save money in travel costs. Last I saw, Shorter was beating their FCS opponent.

And yes, Shorter did beat SEMO and had the "crown jewel" Kennesaw State beat last week. Too bad they're a lower rung team in the GSC.

Shorter, Florida Tech, Union Tenn., Lee and Christian Brothers are privates that are GSC or an affiliate to the conference. Only 2 of them are football playing members. Lee earlier this year tabled the idea of adding football, and Union is thinking about adding football. If Union or Lee does add football? They could be a replacement if Chattanooga moves to FBS. Shorter and Lee are just recent addition to D2 from NAIA ranks.

I was just kidding about Shorter or any of the others replacing UTC when there's already a D-1 ready school available (North Alabama of course).

We have to look into the future. FCS players could sue as well that they want to be pay. That means FCOAs could be added to the FCS schools. Than, the non-football schools want in on the action, and they could sue and wound up FCOAs be added. Then, the D2 schools want to sue and FCOAs could be figured into it at the D2 level. Then the D3 players could sue as well. Then the NAIA. This is what I have been thinking all along what could the Southern Conferences and the rest to do? Could the top D2 conferences and schools move to D1 to help cut the cost of travel so that all the schools could cover the FCOA? Some D3 schools move up to be Tier 4 Pioneer League schools to help cut the costs? Combined D2 and D3 to eliminate a Division at the NCAA level to help cost savings? NAIA and NCAA with the couple of USCAA schools do an agreement for football only merger?
The 2 USCAA schools are Concordia Alabama and Apprentice. Robert Morris-Peoria in Illinois could turn their club team into a varsity team. They are in the USCAA as well.

(09-27-2015 06:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 11:59 AM)High Plains Drifter Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 03:13 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 11:20 PM)High Plains Drifter Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 05:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Adding schools in the region can save money in travel costs. Last I saw, Shorter was beating their FCS opponent.

And yes, Shorter did beat SEMO and had the "crown jewel" Kennesaw State beat last week. Too bad they're a lower rung team in the GSC.

Shorter, Florida Tech, Union Tenn., Lee and Christian Brothers are privates that are GSC or an affiliate to the conference. Only 2 of them are football playing members. Lee earlier this year tabled the idea of adding football, and Union is thinking about adding football. If Union or Lee does add football? They could be a replacement if Chattanooga moves to FBS. Shorter and Lee are just recent addition to D2 from NAIA ranks.

I was just kidding about Shorter or any of the others replacing UTC when there's already a D-1 ready school available (North Alabama of course).

We have to look into the future. FCS players could sue as well that they want to be pay. That means FCOAs could be added to the FCS schools. Than, the non-football schools want in on the action, and they could sue and wound up FCOAs be added. Then, the D2 schools want to sue and FCOAs could be figured into it at the D2 level. Then the D3 players could sue as well. Then the NAIA. This is what I have been thinking all along what could the Southern Conferences and the rest to do? Could the top D2 conferences and schools move to D1 to help cut the cost of travel so that all the schools could cover the FCOA? Some D3 schools move up to be Tier 4 Pioneer League schools to help cut the costs? Combined D2 and D3 to eliminate a Division at the NCAA level to help cost savings? NAIA and NCAA with the couple of USCAA schools do an agreement for football only merger?
The 2 USCAA schools are Concordia Alabama and Apprentice. Robert Morris-Peoria in Illinois could turn their club team into a varsity team. They are in the USCAA as well.

Many fcs and non football conferences have already accounted for fcoa.

You cant save much more on travel in the socon.

D3 is non scholarship. What are they suing for

(09-27-2015 07:05 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 06:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 11:59 AM)High Plains Drifter Wrote:  

(09-27-2015 03:13 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-26-2015 11:20 PM)High Plains Drifter Wrote:  And yes, Shorter did beat SEMO and had the "crown jewel" Kennesaw State beat last week. Too bad they're a lower rung team in the GSC.

Shorter, Florida Tech, Union Tenn., Lee and Christian Brothers are privates that are GSC or an affiliate to the conference. Only 2 of them are football playing members. Lee earlier this year tabled the idea of adding football, and Union is thinking about adding football. If Union or Lee does add football? They could be a replacement if Chattanooga moves to FBS. Shorter and Lee are just recent addition to D2 from NAIA ranks.

I was just kidding about Shorter or any of the others replacing UTC when there's already a D-1 ready school available (North Alabama of course).

We have to look into the future. FCS players could sue as well that they want to be pay. That means FCOAs could be added to the FCS schools. Than, the non-football schools want in on the action, and they could sue and wound up FCOAs be added. Then, the D2 schools want to sue and FCOAs could be figured into it at the D2 level. Then the D3 players could sue as well. Then the NAIA. This is what I have been thinking all along what could the Southern Conferences and the rest to do? Could the top D2 conferences and schools move to D1 to help cut the cost of travel so that all the schools could cover the FCOA? Some D3 schools move up to be Tier 4 Pioneer League schools to help cut the costs? Combined D2 and D3 to eliminate a Division at the NCAA level to help cost savings? NAIA and NCAA with the couple of USCAA schools do an agreement for football only merger?
The 2 USCAA schools are Concordia Alabama and Apprentice. Robert Morris-Peoria in Illinois could turn their club team into a varsity team. They are in the USCAA as well.

Many fcs and non football conferences have already accounted for fcoa.

You cant save much more on travel in the socon.

D3 is non scholarship. What are they suing for

If they sue in the lower divisions, they'll just be putting themselves out of a place to play.