Who said, "I didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic party left me"?

(09-22-2015 03:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 03:14 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 11:30 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  “Let me ask about Reagan for a second,” Colbert began before getting serious and noting the severe ideological divide between Ronald Reagan and today’s Republican Party. “Reagan raised taxes, OK. Reagan actually had an amnesty program for illegal immigrants. Neither of those things would allow Reagan to be nominated today. So to what level can you truly emulate Ronald Reagan?” Colbert asked Cruz, noting that Reagan worked with former Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill.

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1. The distinction is in what the extra tax money would be used for. During Reagan's era those funds went to military spending. Such allocation wouldn't made today.

2. Reagan implemented amnesty with the tacit understanding that a real immigration plan would be enforced, especially along the border. The President upheld his end of the deal while Congress reneged.

I agree with what you are saying. I think the point however is that Reagan did two things that today would have gotten him labeled as a liberal and yet he is the hero of the GOP.

It just goes to show how far right and out of touch the GOP has become since Reagan.

No, I think it shows there is a distinct lack of trust by the public with politicians. For instance, if one wanted to raise taxes I think appropriate caveats would have to include getting current spending well below current tax receipts and a guarantee that the addition revenue was allocated to SS or paying down the debt. NO one believes such a promise can be kept.

Amnesty was a one time compromise that will not be made again because of the broken trust perpetrated by Congress. Fooled me once and all of that.

I watched the interview this morning and thought it was well done on both ends. It was a respectful, intellectual back-and-forth - in other words, nothing like any of the debates. I don't like Cruz but I thought he did well. And I love the new Colbert show - it's so refreshing to see intellectual political talk (and funny bits too) on a late night show.

Tonight Colbert interviews Trump. Do you think he'll get complete answers from the Donald like Cruz did last night?

(09-22-2015 03:38 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I watched the interview this morning and thought it was well done on both ends. It was a respectful, intellectual back-and-forth - in other words, nothing like any of the debates. I don't like Cruz but I thought he did well. And I love the new Colbert show - it's so refreshing to see intellectual political talk (and funny bits too) on a late night show.

Tonight Colbert interviews Trump. Do you think he'll get complete answers from the Donald like Cruz did last night?

No, but it won't be for a lack of trying.

(09-22-2015 03:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 03:14 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 11:30 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  “Let me ask about Reagan for a second,” Colbert began before getting serious and noting the severe ideological divide between Ronald Reagan and today’s Republican Party. “Reagan raised taxes, OK. Reagan actually had an amnesty program for illegal immigrants. Neither of those things would allow Reagan to be nominated today. So to what level can you truly emulate Ronald Reagan?” Colbert asked Cruz, noting that Reagan worked with former Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill.

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1. The distinction is in what the extra tax money would be used for. During Reagan's era those funds went to military spending. Such allocation wouldn't made today.

2. Reagan implemented amnesty with the tacit understanding that a real immigration plan would be enforced, especially along the border. The President upheld his end of the deal while Congress reneged.

I agree with what you are saying. I think the point however is that Reagan did two things that today would have gotten him labeled as a liberal and yet he is the hero of the GOP.

It just goes to show how far right and out of touch the GOP has become since Reagan.

This is such overused, ridiculous pablum. I know it's a popular misdirection, championed largely by Alan Colmes an his ilk, but it's simply silly.

You do know Reagan was a staunch supporter of things like prayer in school, right? Supported capital punishment, was vocally pro-life?

Hardly the squishy moderate you leftists like to fantasize he was.

(09-22-2015 05:24 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 03:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 03:14 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 11:30 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  “Let me ask about Reagan for a second,” Colbert began before getting serious and noting the severe ideological divide between Ronald Reagan and today’s Republican Party. “Reagan raised taxes, OK. Reagan actually had an amnesty program for illegal immigrants. Neither of those things would allow Reagan to be nominated today. So to what level can you truly emulate Ronald Reagan?” Colbert asked Cruz, noting that Reagan worked with former Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill.

Link

1. The distinction is in what the extra tax money would be used for. During Reagan's era those funds went to military spending. Such allocation wouldn't made today.

2. Reagan implemented amnesty with the tacit understanding that a real immigration plan would be enforced, especially along the border. The President upheld his end of the deal while Congress reneged.

I agree with what you are saying. I think the point however is that Reagan did two things that today would have gotten him labeled as a liberal and yet he is the hero of the GOP.

It just goes to show how far right and out of touch the GOP has become since Reagan.

This is such overused, ridiculous pablum. I know it's a popular misdirection, championed largely by Alan Colmes an his ilk, but it's simply silly.

You do know Reagan was a staunch supporter of things like prayer in school, right? Supported capital punishment, was vocally pro-life?

Hardly the squishy moderate you leftists like to fantasize he was.

I never said he was moderate. I just said that he did two things that no republican would ever be forgiven for today.

(09-22-2015 05:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 05:24 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 03:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 03:14 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 11:30 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  “Let me ask about Reagan for a second,” Colbert began before getting serious and noting the severe ideological divide between Ronald Reagan and today’s Republican Party. “Reagan raised taxes, OK. Reagan actually had an amnesty program for illegal immigrants. Neither of those things would allow Reagan to be nominated today. So to what level can you truly emulate Ronald Reagan?” Colbert asked Cruz, noting that Reagan worked with former Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill.

Link

1. The distinction is in what the extra tax money would be used for. During Reagan's era those funds went to military spending. Such allocation wouldn't made today.

2. Reagan implemented amnesty with the tacit understanding that a real immigration plan would be enforced, especially along the border. The President upheld his end of the deal while Congress reneged.

I agree with what you are saying. I think the point however is that Reagan did two things that today would have gotten him labeled as a liberal and yet he is the hero of the GOP.

It just goes to show how far right and out of touch the GOP has become since Reagan.

This is such overused, ridiculous pablum. I know it's a popular misdirection, championed largely by Alan Colmes an his ilk, but it's simply silly.

You do know Reagan was a staunch supporter of things like prayer in school, right? Supported capital punishment, was vocally pro-life?

Hardly the squishy moderate you leftists like to fantasize he was.

I never said he was moderate. I just said that he did two things that no republican would ever be forgiven for today.

In both cases, Reagan tried to work in good faith with the DEMS in the legislature. Both times, the DEMS reneged on their promises. They refused to reallocate funds to secure the border like they promised, and later they refused to cut spending to go along with the tax increases Reagan signed. Therefore, GOP no longer trusts the DEMS to operate in good faith and as a result Obama does not get the same bipartisan spirit. Evidently, people learn from their mistakes.

Tip O'Neil was a deceitful cvnt. He was one of the most loathe some and vile pieces of **** to ever defile the halls if the Capitol building.

(09-22-2015 06:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 05:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 05:24 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 03:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 03:14 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  1. The distinction is in what the extra tax money would be used for. During Reagan's era those funds went to military spending. Such allocation wouldn't made today.

2. Reagan implemented amnesty with the tacit understanding that a real immigration plan would be enforced, especially along the border. The President upheld his end of the deal while Congress reneged.

I agree with what you are saying. I think the point however is that Reagan did two things that today would have gotten him labeled as a liberal and yet he is the hero of the GOP.

It just goes to show how far right and out of touch the GOP has become since Reagan.

This is such overused, ridiculous pablum. I know it's a popular misdirection, championed largely by Alan Colmes an his ilk, but it's simply silly.

You do know Reagan was a staunch supporter of things like prayer in school, right? Supported capital punishment, was vocally pro-life?

Hardly the squishy moderate you leftists like to fantasize he was.

I never said he was moderate. I just said that he did two things that no republican would ever be forgiven for today.

In both cases, Reagan tried to work in good faith with the DEMS in the legislature. Both times, the DEMS reneged on their promises. They refused to reallocate funds to secure the border like they promised, and later they refused to cut spending to go along with the tax increases Reagan signed. Therefore, GOP no longer trusts the DEMS to operate in good faith and as a result Obama does not get the same bipartisan spirit. Evidently, people learn from their mistakes.

Tip O'Neil was a deceitful cvnt. He was one of the most loathe some and vile pieces of **** to ever defile the halls if the Capitol building.

So do you think Reagan was wrong to trust the democrats?

(09-22-2015 06:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 05:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 05:24 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 03:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I agree with what you are saying. I think the point however is that Reagan did two things that today would have gotten him labeled as a liberal and yet he is the hero of the GOP.

It just goes to show how far right and out of touch the GOP has become since Reagan.

This is such overused, ridiculous pablum. I know it's a popular misdirection, championed largely by Alan Colmes an his ilk, but it's simply silly.

You do know Reagan was a staunch supporter of things like prayer in school, right? Supported capital punishment, was vocally pro-life?

Hardly the squishy moderate you leftists like to fantasize he was.

I never said he was moderate. I just said that he did two things that no republican would ever be forgiven for today.

In both cases, Reagan tried to work in good faith with the DEMS in the legislature. Both times, the DEMS reneged on their promises. They refused to reallocate funds to secure the border like they promised, and later they refused to cut spending to go along with the tax increases Reagan signed. Therefore, GOP no longer trusts the DEMS to operate in good faith and as a result Obama does not get the same bipartisan spirit. Evidently, people learn from their mistakes.

Tip O'Neil was a deceitful cvnt. He was one of the most loathe some and vile pieces of **** to ever defile the halls if the Capitol building.

So do you think Reagan was wrong to trust the democrats?

No he wasn't. And its appropriate for the GOP not to trust of give ground to the DNC today.

(09-22-2015 07:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 05:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 05:24 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  This is such overused, ridiculous pablum. I know it's a popular misdirection, championed largely by Alan Colmes an his ilk, but it's simply silly.

You do know Reagan was a staunch supporter of things like prayer in school, right? Supported capital punishment, was vocally pro-life?

Hardly the squishy moderate you leftists like to fantasize he was.

I never said he was moderate. I just said that he did two things that no republican would ever be forgiven for today.

In both cases, Reagan tried to work in good faith with the DEMS in the legislature. Both times, the DEMS reneged on their promises. They refused to reallocate funds to secure the border like they promised, and later they refused to cut spending to go along with the tax increases Reagan signed. Therefore, GOP no longer trusts the DEMS to operate in good faith and as a result Obama does not get the same bipartisan spirit. Evidently, people learn from their mistakes.

Tip O'Neil was a deceitful cvnt. He was one of the most loathe some and vile pieces of **** to ever defile the halls if the Capitol building.

So do you think Reagan was wrong to trust the democrats?

No he wasn't. And its appropriate for the GOP not to trust of give ground to the DNC today.

He wasn't wrong? But I thought they didn't do what they promised?

(09-22-2015 10:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 05:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I never said he was moderate. I just said that he did two things that no republican would ever be forgiven for today.

In both cases, Reagan tried to work in good faith with the DEMS in the legislature. Both times, the DEMS reneged on their promises. They refused to reallocate funds to secure the border like they promised, and later they refused to cut spending to go along with the tax increases Reagan signed. Therefore, GOP no longer trusts the DEMS to operate in good faith and as a result Obama does not get the same bipartisan spirit. Evidently, people learn from their mistakes.

Tip O'Neil was a deceitful cvnt. He was one of the most loathe some and vile pieces of **** to ever defile the halls if the Capitol building.

So do you think Reagan was wrong to trust the democrats?

No he wasn't. And its appropriate for the GOP not to trust of give ground to the DNC today.

He wasn't wrong? But I thought they didn't do what they promised?

Just when you think Rex Kwan Troll Dojo's premier pupil can have an honest conversation he pulls this stunt.
1. If the Democrats had held up their end of the bargain this topic wouldn't be an issue.
2. It's never wrong to try to get something done for the betterment of the Country
3. In pursuit of #2 it is never wrong to uphold your end of a bargain.
Your Troll skill should be better than this.

(09-22-2015 11:09 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  In both cases, Reagan tried to work in good faith with the DEMS in the legislature. Both times, the DEMS reneged on their promises. They refused to reallocate funds to secure the border like they promised, and later they refused to cut spending to go along with the tax increases Reagan signed. Therefore, GOP no longer trusts the DEMS to operate in good faith and as a result Obama does not get the same bipartisan spirit. Evidently, people learn from their mistakes.

Tip O'Neil was a deceitful cvnt. He was one of the most loathe some and vile pieces of **** to ever defile the halls if the Capitol building.

So do you think Reagan was wrong to trust the democrats?

No he wasn't. And its appropriate for the GOP not to trust of give ground to the DNC today.

He wasn't wrong? But I thought they didn't do what they promised?

Just when you think Rex Kwan Troll Dojo's premier pupil can have an honest conversation he pulls this stunt.
1. If the Democrats had held up their end of the bargain this topic wouldn't be an issue.
2. It's never wrong to try to get something done for the betterment of the Country
3. In pursuit of #2 it is never wrong to uphold your end of a bargain.
Your Troll skill should be better than this.

1. It's always someone else's fault. What happened to "The buck stops here"?
2. I totally agree. Something the GOP of today needs to understand.

3. See number two.

(09-22-2015 05:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 05:24 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 03:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 03:14 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 11:30 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  “Let me ask about Reagan for a second,” Colbert began before getting serious and noting the severe ideological divide between Ronald Reagan and today’s Republican Party. “Reagan raised taxes, OK. Reagan actually had an amnesty program for illegal immigrants. Neither of those things would allow Reagan to be nominated today. So to what level can you truly emulate Ronald Reagan?” Colbert asked Cruz, noting that Reagan worked with former Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill.

Link

1. The distinction is in what the extra tax money would be used for. During Reagan's era those funds went to military spending. Such allocation wouldn't made today.

2. Reagan implemented amnesty with the tacit understanding that a real immigration plan would be enforced, especially along the border. The President upheld his end of the deal while Congress reneged.

I agree with what you are saying. I think the point however is that Reagan did two things that today would have gotten him labeled as a liberal and yet he is the hero of the GOP.

It just goes to show how far right and out of touch the GOP has become since Reagan.

This is such overused, ridiculous pablum. I know it's a popular misdirection, championed largely by Alan Colmes an his ilk, but it's simply silly.

You do know Reagan was a staunch supporter of things like prayer in school, right? Supported capital punishment, was vocally pro-life?

Hardly the squishy moderate you leftists like to fantasize he was.

I never said he was moderate. I just said that he did two things that no republican would ever be forgiven for today.

Aaaand, as predictable- the history, now, "moderator" doesn't know his history.

Stop embarrassing yourself and your "profession". You make my Mother sad.

(09-22-2015 10:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 05:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I never said he was moderate. I just said that he did two things that no republican would ever be forgiven for today.

In both cases, Reagan tried to work in good faith with the DEMS in the legislature. Both times, the DEMS reneged on their promises. They refused to reallocate funds to secure the border like they promised, and later they refused to cut spending to go along with the tax increases Reagan signed. Therefore, GOP no longer trusts the DEMS to operate in good faith and as a result Obama does not get the same bipartisan spirit. Evidently, people learn from their mistakes.

Tip O'Neil was a deceitful cvnt. He was one of the most loathe some and vile pieces of **** to ever defile the halls if the Capitol building.

So do you think Reagan was wrong to trust the democrats?

No he wasn't. And its appropriate for the GOP not to trust of give ground to the DNC today.

He wasn't wrong? But I thought they didn't do what they promised?

Congress didn't uphold their end of the deal, but Reagan's geopolitical ambitions (jump starting the economy, winning the Cold War) required he make such concessions. The lesson learned was never to the SOB's again.

(09-23-2015 01:53 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  In both cases, Reagan tried to work in good faith with the DEMS in the legislature. Both times, the DEMS reneged on their promises. They refused to reallocate funds to secure the border like they promised, and later they refused to cut spending to go along with the tax increases Reagan signed. Therefore, GOP no longer trusts the DEMS to operate in good faith and as a result Obama does not get the same bipartisan spirit. Evidently, people learn from their mistakes.

Tip O'Neil was a deceitful cvnt. He was one of the most loathe some and vile pieces of **** to ever defile the halls if the Capitol building.

So do you think Reagan was wrong to trust the democrats?

No he wasn't. And its appropriate for the GOP not to trust of give ground to the DNC today.

He wasn't wrong? But I thought they didn't do what they promised?

Congress didn't uphold their end of the deal, but Reagan's geopolitical ambitions (jump starting the economy, winning the Cold War) required he make such concessions. The lesson learned was never to the SOB's again.

So why can't we have another conservative like Reagan who compromised in order to get what he wanted?

(09-23-2015 09:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 01:53 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So do you think Reagan was wrong to trust the democrats?

No he wasn't. And its appropriate for the GOP not to trust of give ground to the DNC today.

He wasn't wrong? But I thought they didn't do what they promised?

Congress didn't uphold their end of the deal, but Reagan's geopolitical ambitions (jump starting the economy, winning the Cold War) required he make such concessions. The lesson learned was never to the SOB's again.

So why can't we have another conservative like Reagan who compromised in order to get what he wanted?

I'm sure we will, but nobody is foolish enough to McConnell/Boehner themselves and start giving in on points before the negotiations ever begin. The problem is that since Reagan, conservatives have gotten nothing in any "compromise" other than a small tax cut under Bush. Was that tax cut worth giving Ted Kennedy the keys to the Department of Education? The problem isn't compromise. The problem is the so called conservatives compromising from a position of weakness and essentially getting nothing. On the other hand, Bill Clinton was the last liberal that has compromised. It is a two-way street.

(09-23-2015 09:50 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 09:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 01:53 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  No he wasn't. And its appropriate for the GOP not to trust of give ground to the DNC today.

He wasn't wrong? But I thought they didn't do what they promised?

Congress didn't uphold their end of the deal, but Reagan's geopolitical ambitions (jump starting the economy, winning the Cold War) required he make such concessions. The lesson learned was never to the SOB's again.

So why can't we have another conservative like Reagan who compromised in order to get what he wanted?

I'm sure we will, but nobody is foolish enough to McConnell/Boehner themselves and start giving in on points before the negotiations ever begin. The problem is that since Reagan, conservatives have gotten nothing in any "compromise" other than a small tax cut under Bush. Was that tax cut worth giving Ted Kennedy the keys to the Department of Education? The problem isn't compromise. The problem is the so called conservatives compromising from a position of weakness and essentially getting nothing.

I can't say I disagree with you. But don't they control the Congress? That doesn't sound like weakness to me.

(09-23-2015 09:52 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 09:50 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 09:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 01:53 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  He wasn't wrong? But I thought they didn't do what they promised?

Congress didn't uphold their end of the deal, but Reagan's geopolitical ambitions (jump starting the economy, winning the Cold War) required he make such concessions. The lesson learned was never to the SOB's again.

So why can't we have another conservative like Reagan who compromised in order to get what he wanted?

I'm sure we will, but nobody is foolish enough to McConnell/Boehner themselves and start giving in on points before the negotiations ever begin. The problem is that since Reagan, conservatives have gotten nothing in any "compromise" other than a small tax cut under Bush. Was that tax cut worth giving Ted Kennedy the keys to the Department of Education? The problem isn't compromise. The problem is the so called conservatives compromising from a position of weakness and essentially getting nothing.

I can't say I disagree with you. But don't they control the Congress? That doesn't sound like weakness to me.

They have already said they won't fight the Iran deal and a shutdown is off the table. That is a position of weakness they put themselves in.

(09-23-2015 09:56 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 09:52 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 09:50 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 09:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 01:53 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Congress didn't uphold their end of the deal, but Reagan's geopolitical ambitions (jump starting the economy, winning the Cold War) required he make such concessions. The lesson learned was never to the SOB's again.

So why can't we have another conservative like Reagan who compromised in order to get what he wanted?

I'm sure we will, but nobody is foolish enough to McConnell/Boehner themselves and start giving in on points before the negotiations ever begin. The problem is that since Reagan, conservatives have gotten nothing in any "compromise" other than a small tax cut under Bush. Was that tax cut worth giving Ted Kennedy the keys to the Department of Education? The problem isn't compromise. The problem is the so called conservatives compromising from a position of weakness and essentially getting nothing.

I can't say I disagree with you. But don't they control the Congress? That doesn't sound like weakness to me.

They have already said they won't fight the Iran deal and a shutdown is off the table. That is a position of weakness they put themselves in.

So you would be in favor of another shut down?

(09-23-2015 09:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 09:56 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 09:52 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 09:50 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 09:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  So why can't we have another conservative like Reagan who compromised in order to get what he wanted?

I'm sure we will, but nobody is foolish enough to McConnell/Boehner themselves and start giving in on points before the negotiations ever begin. The problem is that since Reagan, conservatives have gotten nothing in any "compromise" other than a small tax cut under Bush. Was that tax cut worth giving Ted Kennedy the keys to the Department of Education? The problem isn't compromise. The problem is the so called conservatives compromising from a position of weakness and essentially getting nothing.

I can't say I disagree with you. But don't they control the Congress? That doesn't sound like weakness to me.

They have already said they won't fight the Iran deal and a shutdown is off the table. That is a position of weakness they put themselves in.

So you would be in favor of another shut down?

I would shut down the government over the Iran deal, yes.