(09-23-2015 10:02 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 09:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 09:56 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 09:52 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 09:50 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm sure we will, but nobody is foolish enough to McConnell/Boehner themselves and start giving in on points before the negotiations ever begin. The problem is that since Reagan, conservatives have gotten nothing in any "compromise" other than a small tax cut under Bush. Was that tax cut worth giving Ted Kennedy the keys to the Department of Education? The problem isn't compromise. The problem is the so called conservatives compromising from a position of weakness and essentially getting nothing.

I can't say I disagree with you. But don't they control the Congress? That doesn't sound like weakness to me.

They have already said they won't fight the Iran deal and a shutdown is off the table. That is a position of weakness they put themselves in.

So you would be in favor of another shut down?

I would shut down the government over the Iran deal, yes.

I can respect that.

For all the gloom and doom talk about the last shutdown, in many respects the economy got better after it. I don't favor a shutdown because it think it is stupid due to the political fallout this close to an election year, but I don't think it would be a bad idea otherwise.

(09-23-2015 09:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 01:53 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 06:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  So do you think Reagan was wrong to trust the democrats?

No he wasn't. And its appropriate for the GOP not to trust of give ground to the DNC today.

He wasn't wrong? But I thought they didn't do what they promised?

Congress didn't uphold their end of the deal, but Reagan's geopolitical ambitions (jump starting the economy, winning the Cold War) required he make such concessions. The lesson learned was never to the SOB's again.

So why can't we have another conservative like Reagan who compromised in order to get what he wanted?

There's nothing left to compromise over since the issues facing the nation are more domestic than international. Conservative want a balanced budget and less gov't spending. The DNC would put the DoD on the chopping block and want taxes raised in recompense. That is essentially arguing with yourself.

The DNC isn't moving off of the ACA nor are they willing to concede a tax decrease. Where are the supposed compromises in policy supposed to come from? Look at the Iran deal the GOP opposes; is Obama offering any political movement to ensure its passage? No, he is simply going to wait until the obstruction occurs and paint the GOP as intransigents who are sacrificing the security of the planet for petty reasons.

(09-23-2015 10:26 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 09:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 01:53 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 10:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 07:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  No he wasn't. And its appropriate for the GOP not to trust of give ground to the DNC today.

He wasn't wrong? But I thought they didn't do what they promised?

Congress didn't uphold their end of the deal, but Reagan's geopolitical ambitions (jump starting the economy, winning the Cold War) required he make such concessions. The lesson learned was never to the SOB's again.

So why can't we have another conservative like Reagan who compromised in order to get what he wanted?

There's nothing left to compromise over since the issues facing the nation are more domestic than international. Conservative want a balanced budget and less gov't spending. The DNC would put the DoD on the chopping block and want taxes raised in recompense. That is essentially arguing with yourself.

The DNC isn't moving off of the ACA nor are they willing to concede a tax decrease. Where are the supposed compromises in policy supposed to come from? Look at the Iran deal the GOP opposes; is Obama offering any political movement to ensure its passage? No, he is simply going to wait until the obstruction occurs and paint the GOP as intransigents who are sacrificing the security of the planet for petty reasons.

I guess my view of the country moving forward is much more optimistic than yours.