(09-18-2015 04:13 PM)uabbean Wrote: As a college administrator. More students from the state of Alabama now attend UAT than when the process started. Using percentages of individual HS is hog wash. John is really stretching on this one. The UAT undergraduate academic standards has gone through the roof. Also states UAT is awash in debts but uses zero facts to support him. UATs bond rating has actually improved during the process.
UAB's finances was expanded/built on research dollars but the overall research dollars are in decline and cannot be expected to support future growth. Almost everyone on this board wishes the student body to expand for the purpose of supporting sports if nothing else. Whit who is soon to be gone but wishes to move UAB out of the bottom quartile of undergraduate schools by attracting numbers and academics by using STEM students from out of state.
I am proud of the SOM and I believe that the majority of students are from out of state. If we are too expand UAB we will also now have to use debt instead of research dollars.
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First, it should be pointed out that UAT may say that they are catering to out of state students because they want the best and brightest, but the real reason are involved in a massive effort to recruit out of state is that they are dependent on the higher out of state tuition to pay for the tremendous debt they incurred to finance their massive expansion. They are not increasing academic excellence of their university with these out of state students. Instead they are primarily recruiting students who could not get into their in state universities in states like Texas. Instead of hiring excellent professors to teach their greater number of students, they are using graduate assistants to teach an ever greater percentage of their undergraduate classes. They are not seeking excellence; instead they are like an over extended family trying to make ends meet.
You also seem to be long on rhetoric and short on facts. Your statement that you believe that the majority of SOM students are from out of state has already proved to be erroneous by mixduptransistor who sited a university publication. We also know that you are apparently unaware how how deeply UAT is in debt.
I also think that your claim that
"More students from the state of Alabama now attend UAT than when the process started." is also false based on the individual county statistics sited by John, but maybe Knox is cherry picked those numbers, So why don't you come back with real statistics which proves that point. If you can't do so I say we call BS on your entire post.
On a more important point, while state support has been cut recently, you need to remember that the entire UA system was built with Alabama tax dollars. When I got my MBA from you UAB in 1984, my tuition in no way paid for my education, much less the buildings I took classes in. While my entrance test scores would have probably gained me entrance to most MBA programs across the country, I could not afforded to quit my job and and pay to go anywhere else but UAB.
While we should strive excellence in all that we do, but state universities should always give priority to educating state residents. That is why they are built and why they continue to receive state taxpayer subsidies. There is, and should, be no argument on that score.