(09-03-2015 12:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Judge Orders Defiant Kentucky Clerk Who Refused to Grant Gay Marriage Licenses to Jail

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/...s-to-jail/

Quote:Matthew 24:9 "Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers."

(09-03-2015 02:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Judge Orders Defiant Kentucky Clerk Who Refused to Grant Gay Marriage Licenses to Jail

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/...s-to-jail/

Quote:Matthew 24:9 "Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers."

Except she's not being arrested for being a christian, do you really not grasp this painfully simple concept?

Eye ******* roll ^^^^^^^^ @kaplony

(09-03-2015 01:59 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  I just wonder what she would've done had a judge used religious grounds to not granted her a divorce, or a clerk had told her she couldn't file for the divorce because it was against that clerk's religious conviction.

(09-03-2015 02:23 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  She should resign. Takes the heat off. County Judge can issue licenses until new Clerk is appointed.

She can stand up for her Morals and claim victory.

This is the correct answer. I know others have said this in the thread too, but ultimately the woman is going out of her way to be an attention whore. I see the sin of pride, because if this truly violated her beliefs then she should have quit the job. She could have made a statement to the press on why she was quitting to get her message out. The problem with that is she wouldn't be receiving the same amount of press today if she would have resigned in protest. That, my friends, is sad. This is not about her beliefs and what she stands for, this is all about her ego and being the center of attention.

Regarding Obama, I 100% agree that he should have been impeached for refusing to enforce laws on the books. So why hasn't he been impeached yet? Well, the Dems controlled both parts of the legislature and they weren't going to do it. As soon as the GOP gained both the house and the senate??? Well, why hasn't anything happened on that front then? Seems like the GOP leadership has zero desire to get the party stared to impeach Obama. Once again, could it be that when the stakes are high, neither party wants to take a stand???

This whole thread devolved into a pathetic pissing contest. Objectively, the woman is not enforcing the current law of the state, which is what she was elected to do. Like any other person out there, if your job changes in ways you find to be no longer palatable to you...you quit and go find something else to do. THE END. Not our little attention whore. She has to thrust herself into the spotlight

Quote:Speaking to Starnes before appearing in federal court Thursday, Davis said, “I would have to either make a decision to stand or I would have to buckle down and leave. And if I left, resigned or chose to retire, I would have no voice for God’s word.”

http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/

There you have it. She wants to be in the spot light. Doing it for God, or doing it for herself? Obviously the latter.

As the judge presiding stated

Quote:“I myself have genuinely held religious beliefs,” the judge said, but “I took an oath.” He noted: “Mrs. Davis took an oath. Oaths mean things."

I wonder how often the sin of lying is mentioned in the bible compared to homosexuality?

(09-03-2015 02:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Judge Orders Defiant Kentucky Clerk Who Refused to Grant Gay Marriage Licenses to Jail

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/...s-to-jail/

Quote:Matthew 24:9 "Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers."

Except she's not being arrested for being a christian, do you really not grasp this painfully simple concept?

Then why is she being arrested?

(09-03-2015 02:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Judge Orders Defiant Kentucky Clerk Who Refused to Grant Gay Marriage Licenses to Jail

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/...s-to-jail/

Quote:Matthew 24:9 "Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers."

Except she's not being arrested for being a christian, do you really not grasp this painfully simple concept?

Then why is she being arrested?

She is refusing to grant a marriage license based on who would be receiving the license. Her duties as clerk of courts is to provide the marriage license if the couple follows the proper procedures - most likely STD tests.

The arrest is because she was in contempt of court. That's the punishment for being in contempt - jail time until she does what the court orders her to do. I suppose resigning the position automatically gets her out of prison too.

(09-03-2015 02:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  [quote='Fitbud' pid='12324785' dateline='1441302926']
Judge Orders Defiant Kentucky Clerk Who Refused to Grant Gay Marriage Licenses to Jail

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/...s-to-jail/

Quote:Matthew 24:9 "Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers."

Except she's not being arrested for being a christian, do you really not grasp this painfully simple concept?

Then why is she being arrested?

For being in contempt of court for willfully violating the courts order requiring her to perform a ministerial function that is required by law as part of her position as clerk of court.

(09-03-2015 02:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Judge Orders Defiant Kentucky Clerk Who Refused to Grant Gay Marriage Licenses to Jail

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/...s-to-jail/

Quote:Matthew 24:9 "Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers."

Except she's not being arrested for being a christian, do you really not grasp this painfully simple concept?

Then why is she being arrested?

For refusing a court order. She could either resign, do her job, or go to jail. In no way, shape, or form was she ever forced to go against her religious beliefs. If she didn't want to do the job of the office for which she was elected because she felt as though it would go against her religion, she should resign.

Do you understand the difference there? Because acting as if she's actually being jailed for her religious beliefs does a disservice to those who are actually persecuted for their religious beliefs.

(09-03-2015 02:55 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  [quote='Fitbud' pid='12324785' dateline='1441302926']
Judge Orders Defiant Kentucky Clerk Who Refused to Grant Gay Marriage Licenses to Jail

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/...s-to-jail/

Quote:Matthew 24:9 "Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers."

Except she's not being arrested for being a christian, do you really not grasp this painfully simple concept?

Then why is she being arrested?

For being in contempt of court for willfully violating the courts order requiring her to perform a ministerial function that is required by law as part of her position as clerk of court.

It's important to note, she was never going to be forced to sign a single same-sex marriage certificate, she was being told to resign if she wasn't willing to do her job.

(09-03-2015 02:56 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Judge Orders Defiant Kentucky Clerk Who Refused to Grant Gay Marriage Licenses to Jail

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/...s-to-jail/

Quote:Matthew 24:9 "Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers."

Except she's not being arrested for being a christian, do you really not grasp this painfully simple concept?

Then why is she being arrested?

For refusing a court order. She could either resign, do her job, or go to jail. In no way, shape, or form was she ever forced to go against her religious beliefs. If she didn't want to do the job of the office for which she was elected because she felt as though it would go against her religion, she should resign.

Do you understand the difference there? Because acting as if she's actually being jailed for her religious beliefs does a disservice to those who are actually persecuted for their religious beliefs.

And why is she refusing a court order?

(09-03-2015 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:56 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

Except she's not being arrested for being a christian, do you really not grasp this painfully simple concept?

Then why is she being arrested?

For refusing a court order. She could either resign, do her job, or go to jail. In no way, shape, or form was she ever forced to go against her religious beliefs. If she didn't want to do the job of the office for which she was elected because she felt as though it would go against her religion, she should resign.

Do you understand the difference there? Because acting as if she's actually being jailed for her religious beliefs does a disservice to those who are actually persecuted for their religious beliefs.

And why is she refusing a court order?

And why didn't she simply resign and make a statement about why she resigned to the press?

(09-03-2015 03:04 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:56 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Except she's not being arrested for being a christian, do you really not grasp this painfully simple concept?

Then why is she being arrested?

For refusing a court order. She could either resign, do her job, or go to jail. In no way, shape, or form was she ever forced to go against her religious beliefs. If she didn't want to do the job of the office for which she was elected because she felt as though it would go against her religion, she should resign.

Do you understand the difference there? Because acting as if she's actually being jailed for her religious beliefs does a disservice to those who are actually persecuted for their religious beliefs.

And why is she refusing a court order?

And why didn't she simply resign and make a statement about why she resigned to the press?

Why should she have to give up her livelihood just so some degenerates can commit sin?

(09-03-2015 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:56 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

Except she's not being arrested for being a christian, do you really not grasp this painfully simple concept?

Then why is she being arrested?

For refusing a court order. She could either resign, do her job, or go to jail. In no way, shape, or form was she ever forced to go against her religious beliefs. If she didn't want to do the job of the office for which she was elected because she felt as though it would go against her religion, she should resign.

Do you understand the difference there? Because acting as if she's actually being jailed for her religious beliefs does a disservice to those who are actually persecuted for their religious beliefs.

And why is she refusing a court order?

For the attention. If it were about her religious beliefs then she would just resign, period. This is her argument.

Quote:On the stand ... Davis described herself as an Apostolic Christian who believes marriage is defined as the union of one man and one woman under the Bible — 'God's holy word' — and said she contemplated her policy for months beforehand.

"She choked back tears at times as she argued that issuing licenses under her name would violate her religious beliefs, even if a deputy clerk performs the task in her stead.

" 'If I say they are authorized, I'm saying I agree with it, and I can't,' Davis said."

If she resigns, the licenses are therefore not being issued under her name, and instead the judge who will authorize them until the next election cycle. Furthermore, each time she refuses to complete her job and not resign, she is lying as her oath of office requires her to do her job. She has absolutely no leg to stand on, and only an idiot wouldn't see this.

(09-03-2015 03:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:04 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:56 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Then why is she being arrested?

For refusing a court order. She could either resign, do her job, or go to jail. In no way, shape, or form was she ever forced to go against her religious beliefs. If she didn't want to do the job of the office for which she was elected because she felt as though it would go against her religion, she should resign.

Do you understand the difference there? Because acting as if she's actually being jailed for her religious beliefs does a disservice to those who are actually persecuted for their religious beliefs.

And why is she refusing a court order?

And why didn't she simply resign and make a statement about why she resigned to the press?

Why should she have to give up her livelihood just so some degenerates can commit sin?

Because she is lying by staying in office?

(09-03-2015 03:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:04 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:56 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Then why is she being arrested?

For refusing a court order. She could either resign, do her job, or go to jail. In no way, shape, or form was she ever forced to go against her religious beliefs. If she didn't want to do the job of the office for which she was elected because she felt as though it would go against her religion, she should resign.

Do you understand the difference there? Because acting as if she's actually being jailed for her religious beliefs does a disservice to those who are actually persecuted for their religious beliefs.

And why is she refusing a court order?

And why didn't she simply resign and make a statement about why she resigned to the press?

Why should she have to give up her livelihood just so some degenerates can commit sin?

That's a nonstarter. The moment she took her stand, her "livelihood" was already forfeited by her. This has nothing to do with her personal beliefs, this has everything to do with her wanting to thrust herself in the spotlight.

(09-03-2015 03:13 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:04 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 03:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 02:56 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  For refusing a court order. She could either resign, do her job, or go to jail. In no way, shape, or form was she ever forced to go against her religious beliefs. If she didn't want to do the job of the office for which she was elected because she felt as though it would go against her religion, she should resign.

Do you understand the difference there? Because acting as if she's actually being jailed for her religious beliefs does a disservice to those who are actually persecuted for their religious beliefs.

And why is she refusing a court order?

And why didn't she simply resign and make a statement about why she resigned to the press?

Why should she have to give up her livelihood just so some degenerates can commit sin?

That's a nonstarter. The moment she took her stand, her "livelihood" was already forfeited by her. This has nothing to do with her personal beliefs, this has everything to do with her wanting to thrust herself in the spotlight.

Possibly. But your claim is pure speculation.

Here is her oath she pledged before taking office.

Quote:“I, _____, do swear that I will well and truly discharge the duties of the office of _____ County Circuit Court clerk, according to the best of my skill and judgment, making the due entries and records of all orders, judgments, decrees, opinions and proceedings of the court, and carefully filing and preserving in my office all books and papers which come to my possession by virtue of my office; and that I will not knowingly or willingly commit any malfeasance of office, and will faithfully execute the duties of my office without favor, affection or partiality, so help me God.”

She is lying the second she denied those marriage licenses.

(09-03-2015 02:56 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  For refusing a court order. She could either resign, do her job, or go to jail. In no way, shape, or form was she ever forced to go against her religious beliefs. If she didn't want to do the job of the office for which she was elected because she felt as though it would go against her religion, she should resign.

Do you understand the difference there? Because acting as if she's actually being jailed for her religious beliefs does a disservice to those who are actually persecuted for their religious beliefs.

She shouldn't be jailed at all. That is laughably overboard.

She should willingly step down, if not then she should be removed. If she feels unable to preform her Job because of her religions objections, then she should find another job, period.

Its is not her place to grandstand and protest from her professional perch.