Judge Orders Defiant Kentucky Clerk Who Refused to Grant Gay Marriage Licenses to Jail

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/...s-to-jail/

Would prefer her fined, harshly, instead of costing taxpayers money.

(09-03-2015 12:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Judge Orders Defiant Kentucky Clerk Who Refused to Grant Gay Marriage Licenses to Jail

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/...s-to-jail/

her is a daily kos link.

" Kim Davis' deputy clerks get half-hour to decide if they will obey court order or possibly join boss in jail. Meeting w/ lawyers"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/03...ng-to-jail

I'm against jailing because she will play the martyr and get that kickstarter webpage up for donations.

(09-03-2015 01:03 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  Regardless of her stupidity, I can't get behind jailing someone for something like this. Fire her, suspend her, fine her, whatever...but jail? It's not like she's an immediate and dangerous threat to society or anything.

And just in general, I think we need to stop sending people to jail for everything and push towards an education/rehabilitation model.

Unfortunately, you can't fire her as she is in an elected position and requires a process of impeachment for her to be forcibly removed from office. That means either wait until the Kentucky legislature meets again or call a special session in order to impeach her. Neither is realistic, and either entail waiting months or spending more money to just remove her.

And while I agree with your second statement in principle, this isn't an example where I'd find it applicable. This isn't some 3 strikes law gone awry or us imprisoning someone for using a substance, this is about her refusing to comply to a court order. This wasn't a surprise, the judge made it very clear this would happen if she either didn't resign or still refused to give out marriage licenses, and she chose to go to jail. It's not her refusal to give out marriage licenses that is putting her in jail, it's her outright ignoring court orders.

(09-03-2015 01:08 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Judge Orders Defiant Kentucky Clerk Who Refused to Grant Gay Marriage Licenses to Jail

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/...s-to-jail/

her is a daily kos link.

" Kim Davis' deputy clerks get half-hour to decide if they will obey court order or possibly join boss in jail. Meeting w/ lawyers"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/03...ng-to-jail

I wonder what that meeting entailed

County Clerks- "Well, what are my options here?"
Lawyer- "Uh, you either start handing out licenses or you go to jail. What are you confused about?"

The funniest part in all this is that if she gets jail time, she'll leave jail a lesbian according to Ben Carson.

(09-03-2015 01:09 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm against jailing because she will play the martyr and get that kickstarter webpage up for donations.

Why do you care how other people spend their money?

(09-03-2015 01:32 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 01:09 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm against jailing because she will play the martyr and get that kickstarter webpage up for donations.

Why do you care how other people spend their money?

I think it's natural for people to prefer donated money to go to objectively worthwhile causes other than her, but we should wait to judge her on this until she actually does this. She very well could open up a donation site for a christian charity which does good work.

(09-03-2015 12:48 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:44 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 09:42 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 09:18 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 08:54 AM)dcCid Wrote:  It was and is a straightforward question.

Gave a straightforward answer.

No you didn't, in no way was your response even close to a straightforward answer, and in fact was intentionally evasive. Again, this woman accepted this job under the premise that she was to issue marriage licenses to all legally allowed couples, regardless of their adherence to her religious beliefs concerning marriage. What changed?

There was never any portion of her job that allowed for her to make moral judgements on who deserved a marriage license, and there certainly wasn't anything even close to allowing her to withhold licenses based on her religious beliefs. If this was a man who worked at the DMV and refused to issue licenses to women because he was a fundamentalist muslim, you'd be losing your mind over it. But instead because this woman parrots a viewpoint you agree with, based on absolutely no legal precedent, you are excusing her every action.

Thew right cannot never give a straightforward answer because they just make stuff up.

Her job before was to issue a marriage license to any legally eligible couple. No different from now. She is upset because she wants to change her job description to issue marriage licenses based on her religious beliefs.

Wrong. PAUL cannot ever give a straightforward answer because he just makes stuff up. Don't do the lazy thing and characterize an entire ideology by the worst of it's adherents. There are plenty of those on the right who disagree with what she is doing, even if they agree with her on religious principle.

You are correct.

(09-03-2015 01:32 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 01:09 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm against jailing because she will play the martyr and get that kickstarter webpage up for donations.

Why do you care how other people spend their money?

I don't, just commenting on how hollow this whole thing is.

(09-03-2015 01:34 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 01:32 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 01:09 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm against jailing because she will play the martyr and get that kickstarter webpage up for donations.

Why do you care how other people spend their money?

I think it's natural for people to prefer donated money to go to objectively worthwhile causes other than her, but we should wait to judge her on this until she actually does this. She very well could open up a donation site for a christian charity which does good work.

Well, before suggesting how other people spend their own money, the individual should first look in the mirror and determine if they're spending money how they "should."

I don't care what other people do. Sure, I prefer people to refrain from waste and stupidity, but ultimately I don't care. I have no say over it, nor should I.

(09-01-2015 10:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-01-2015 10:05 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Good for her. She'll pay for it, but it's refreshing to see people putting up a fight. We need much more of that.

So, we get to pick and choose which laws we follow...which SCOTUS decisions we need to honor?

Wait.... are we talking about Obama now?

(09-01-2015 02:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The funniest part in all this is that if she gets jail time, she'll leave jail a lesbian according to Ben Carson.

(09-03-2015 01:13 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 01:08 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Judge Orders Defiant Kentucky Clerk Who Refused to Grant Gay Marriage Licenses to Jail

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/...s-to-jail/

her is a daily kos link.

" Kim Davis' deputy clerks get half-hour to decide if they will obey court order or possibly join boss in jail. Meeting w/ lawyers"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/03...ng-to-jail

I wonder what that meeting entailed

County Clerks- "Well, what are my options here?"
Lawyer- "Uh, you either start handing out licenses or you go to jail. What are you confused about?"

You never know. Some may be asking if they can claim a religious objection!

I read earlier (few days or so) that 1 had no problem issuing marriage licenses , one was undecided, and the rest were opposed.

I just wonder what she would've done had a judge used religious grounds to not granted her a divorce, or a clerk had told her she couldn't file for the divorce because it was against that clerk's religious conviction.

(09-03-2015 01:50 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  

(09-01-2015 02:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The funniest part in all this is that if she gets jail time, she'll leave jail a lesbian according to Ben Carson.

Jail her and she will think that she's the Rosa Parks of our generation. Fine her and a kickstarter/go fund me campaign will give her 10x what the fine is.

I say jail.

She's the worst criminal I've heard of since that story arose about the gay-hating bakery.

She triggers me.

She should resign. Takes the heat off. County Judge can issue licenses until new Clerk is appointed.

She can stand up for her Morals and claim victory.