(08-27-2015 01:22 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 12:43 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  Who does this surprise? There needs to be some form of gun control that atleast bars crazies from acquiring weapons. Heck, suspected terrorists can acquire weapons legally with ease, let alone crazies like this guy.

With right wing clowns such as these ECU morons (not surprising), this nation is scroomed

Our problem is that, as a free country, we don't usually punish people for what we think they might do....only for what they actually do.

This puts a big damper on barring people from exercising their civil rights arbitrarily based on our suspicions of their potential creepiness.

Gun nuts will tell you second protects the first. When the government started spying on us and took away the freedom right to privacy, why did NRA nuts not throw a fit? This definitely limited freedom. Yet if you limit freedom through gun control, the outrage is 10000x greater. Why?

The guy could have had a katana sword and done the same thing. You can't blame this on the gun. You can't. The guy was a whack job. What if he poured acid on her face and disfigured her? To be brutally honest. The bodies aren't even in the ground and we want to turn this into something it's not. Pray for the victims and their families.

(08-27-2015 01:24 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 01:15 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 12:53 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 12:43 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  Who does this surprise? There needs to be some form of gun control that atleast bars crazies from acquiring weapons. Heck, suspected terrorists can acquire weapons legally with ease, let alone crazies like this guy.

With right wing clowns such as these ECU morons (not surprising), this nation is scroomed

We're all ears.

With murder already illegal, I am anxious to hear the new law you would put in place that would have prevented this from happening.

LOL? Does justice to the murderer bring back the ones that were lost? Someone's family member was lost regardless of what happened to the killer. So murder being illegal is no solution. These acts need to be prevented.

I am not going to focus on one shooting, rather on the trend of mass shootings on a weekly basis. A start would be requiring all guns to be registered to the person and passing legislation that at least keeps mentally disturbed people and terrorists from acquiring them with ease. If you own a gun, and later on you are diagnosed with mental issues/ or are put on a terror watch list, then the police needs to confiscate the guns of the mentally disturbed and of the possible terrorist. Most Americans want common sense gun laws but the NRA crazies have too much political influence to let this happen.

Oh and Australia has already done it. Unlike us, they learn from mass shootings.

http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/12/6/365.full

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-...gun-deaths

Quote:You would think such dramatic new restrictions were bound to help. But the striking thing is how little effect they had on gun deaths.

It's true the homicide rate fell after the law took effect -- but it had also been falling long before that. A study published by the liberal Brookings Institution noted that the decline didn't accelerate after 1996. Same for lethal accidents. Suicide didn't budge. At most, they conclude "there may" -- may -- "have been a modest effect on homicide rates."

Researchers at the University of Melbourne, however, found no such improvement as a result of the new system. "There is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides or suicides," they wrote.

Howard says the country has had no mass shootings since 1996. But mass shootings are such a tiny share of all homicides that any connection may be purely a matter of chance.

We learned from the 1994 assault weapons ban that modest gun control measures don't work. What Australia suggests is that even if radical ones could be passed, they wouldn't work either.

You make a blog post. Ill raise you actual research

"Results: In the 18 years before the gun law reforms, there were 13 mass shootings in Australia, and none in the 10.5 years afterwards. Declines in firearm-related deaths before the law reforms accelerated after the reforms for total firearm deaths (p = 0.04), firearm suicides (p = 0.007) and firearm homicides (p = 0.15), but not for the smallest category of unintentional firearm deaths, which increased. No evidence of substitution effect for suicides or homicides was observed. The rates per 100 000 of total firearm deaths, firearm homicides and firearm suicides all at least doubled their existing rates of decline after the revised gun laws.

Conclusions: Australia’s 1996 gun law reforms were followed by more than a decade free of fatal mass shootings, and accelerated declines in firearm deaths, particularly suicides. Total homicide rates followed the same pattern. Removing large numbers of rapid-firing firearms from civilians may be an effective way of reducing mass shootings, firearm homicides and firearm suicides."

Airraid you ignored my first post.


Wonder why?

(08-27-2015 01:30 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The guy could have had a katana sword and done the same thing. You can't blame this on the gun. You can't. The guy was a whack job. What if he poured acid on her face and disfigured her? To be brutally honest. The bodies aren't even in the ground and we want to turn this into something it's not. Pray for the victims and their families.

Guns kill way faster. If he was hacking down one person, atleast the other could flee resulting in less deaths. You think the Colorado theatre killer would kill 12 people with a Katana? LOL

I would fight a guy with a Katana with my bare hands. I would run like hell if he had a gun

(08-27-2015 01:31 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Airraid you ignored my first post.


Wonder why?

I already responded to it in the post suggesting gun control. READ!

(08-27-2015 01:32 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 01:31 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Airraid you ignored my first post.


Wonder why?

I already responded to it in the post suggesting gun control. READ!

I read it, but other than the total abolition of the Second Amendment you haven't provided any answers as to how any new gun laws would have prevented this shooting.

Please provide a detailed example of a law that would have prevented this.

(08-27-2015 01:30 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The guy could have had a katana sword and done the same thing. You can't blame this on the gun. You can't. The guy was a whack job. What if he poured acid on her face and disfigured her? To be brutally honest. The bodies aren't even in the ground and we want to turn this into something it's not. Pray for the victims and their families.

Of course you can't blame it on the gun. The problem is this wacko having the ability to get the f'n gun. Everyone shouldn't have drive car; everyone shouldn't own a gun.

(08-26-2015 10:11 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:07 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 09:58 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 09:07 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I'm beyond the blame game here, white/black/gay/straight, this is a double murder done by an individual.

So you don't play the blame game, yet you took the time to post this...

Quote:I have a feeling that you don't even care that people died, just that a black man did it. That's pretty low.

I don't know about you, but to me it looks like you're playing the blame game. Quite the double standard you walked into.

Black dude tweeted about racism, shot 3 white people. Is what it is.

They were the ramblings of a madman.

Yep, just Like Dylann Roof also was a Mad Man, but the Lib's Portrait Him, and most White Southerners as Racist. You can't have it both ways. Both were Sick MFR's

(08-27-2015 05:22 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:11 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:07 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 09:58 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 09:07 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I'm beyond the blame game here, white/black/gay/straight, this is a double murder done by an individual.

So you don't play the blame game, yet you took the time to post this...

Quote:I have a feeling that you don't even care that people died, just that a black man did it. That's pretty low.

I don't know about you, but to me it looks like you're playing the blame game. Quite the double standard you walked into.

Black dude tweeted about racism, shot 3 white people. Is what it is.

They were the ramblings of a madman.

Yep, just Like Dylann Roof also was a Mad Man, but the Lib's Portrait Him, and most White Southerners as Racist. You can't have it both ways. Both were Sick MFR's

Defending roof...nice...how conservative

'He's not a racist...he's just a little sick in the head'

(08-26-2015 06:47 PM)wahoowa Wrote:  So now we have a gay thug. This is going to cause a lot of confusion among a few posters.

Is that worse than a straight thug?

If roof took it up the ass, would any more people be alive or dead?

I don't see the point...just like I don't care what color his eyes are, or if he's left handed...it has nothing to do with anything.

He shot 3 people in cold blood...THAT is what concerns me.

(08-27-2015 06:22 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 05:22 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:11 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:07 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 09:58 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  So you don't play the blame game, yet you took the time to post this...


I don't know about you, but to me it looks like you're playing the blame game. Quite the double standard you walked into.

Black dude tweeted about racism, shot 3 white people. Is what it is.

They were the ramblings of a madman.

Yep, just Like Dylann Roof also was a Mad Man, but the Lib's Portrait Him, and most White Southerners as Racist. You can't have it both ways. Both were Sick MFR's

Defending roof...nice...how conservative

'He's not a racist...he's just a little sick in the head'

And...... So was This Sick Fvck .He was also a Racist and targeted Whites because of Roof ! Anything otherwise is just beyond Stupid !

(08-26-2015 11:00 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:58 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 03:06 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 02:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  That's your opinion. Lots of us, after watching an ever increasing avalanche of gun violence, feel otherwise.

Stop making things up..

Quote:We have a system of firearm proliferation. With effectively zero controls.

Stop making things up

This can't be quoted enough.

Tom should have done some more reading before making that statement. If we want to stop gun crime, then we need to legalize marijuana and decriminalize other drugs. That is the overwhelming reason for the majority of gun violence in this country.

You think all those criminals that deal and transport drugs are suddenly going to go straight and file the correct paperwork and pay the taxes and get business licenses to sell their drugs? There will always be a black market for any type of drug that's legalized, not to mention 'harder' drugs like cocaine and heroine that will never be legalized.

(08-27-2015 01:15 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 12:53 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 12:43 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  Who does this surprise? There needs to be some form of gun control that atleast bars crazies from acquiring weapons. Heck, suspected terrorists can acquire weapons legally with ease, let alone crazies like this guy.

With right wing clowns such as these ECU morons (not surprising), this nation is scroomed

We're all ears.

With murder already illegal, I am anxious to hear the new law you would put in place that would have prevented this from happening.

LOL? Does justice to the murderer bring back the ones that were lost? Someone's family member was lost regardless of what happened to the killer. So murder being illegal is no solution. These acts need to be prevented.

I am not going to focus on one shooting, rather on the trend of mass shootings on a weekly basis. A start would be requiring all guns to be registered to the person and passing legislation that at least keeps mentally disturbed people and terrorists from acquiring them with ease. If you own a gun, and later on you are diagnosed with mental issues/ or are put on a terror watch list, then the police needs to confiscate the guns of the mentally disturbed and of the possible terrorist. Most Americans want common sense gun laws but the NRA crazies have too much political influence to let this happen.

Oh and Australia has already done it. Unlike us, they learn from mass shootings.

http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/12/6/365.full

This has already been proven false.

Gangs want a source of income (and they don't want a 9-5). Free drugs... they are still going to shoot each other over whatever takes it's place.

(08-27-2015 05:22 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Yep, just Like Dylann Roof also was a Mad Man, but the Lib's Portrait Him, and most White Southerners as Racist. You can't have it both ways. Both were Sick MFR's

oh, they want it both ways though.

We saw this with the border jumper who killed that girl in San Fran. That was an "isolated incident" and you cant blame an entire group of people for what 1 guy did............ except when you want to say every southerner with a flag is a racist killer like Roof.

(08-27-2015 01:28 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 01:22 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 12:43 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  Who does this surprise? There needs to be some form of gun control that atleast bars crazies from acquiring weapons. Heck, suspected terrorists can acquire weapons legally with ease, let alone crazies like this guy.

With right wing clowns such as these ECU morons (not surprising), this nation is scroomed

Our problem is that, as a free country, we don't usually punish people for what we think they might do....only for what they actually do.

This puts a big damper on barring people from exercising their civil rights arbitrarily based on our suspicions of their potential creepiness.

Gun nuts will tell you second protects the first. When the government started spying on us and took away the freedom right to privacy, why did NRA nuts not throw a fit? This definitely limited freedom. Yet if you limit freedom through gun control, the outrage is 10000x greater. Why?

You realize the 1st amendment doesn't protect privacy right?

Shooting outside an elementary school yesterday, one dead. Police officer shots killed yesterday in New Orleans. Shooting at Texas Southern Univ. yesterday, fortunately no deaths. Eer'body need guns.....eer' damn body!!!!!

(08-27-2015 07:10 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 11:00 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:58 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 03:06 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 02:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  That's your opinion. Lots of us, after watching an ever increasing avalanche of gun violence, feel otherwise.

Stop making things up..

Quote:We have a system of firearm proliferation. With effectively zero controls.

Stop making things up

This can't be quoted enough.

Tom should have done some more reading before making that statement. If we want to stop gun crime, then we need to legalize marijuana and decriminalize other drugs. That is the overwhelming reason for the majority of gun violence in this country.

You think all those criminals that deal and transport drugs are suddenly going to go straight and file the correct paperwork and pay the taxes and get business licenses to sell their drugs? There will always be a black market for any type of drug that's legalized, not to mention 'harder' drugs like cocaine and heroine that will never be legalized.

No, I think the money will dry up on their end. Which is what happens, if you've paid attention to history and this issue elsewhere in the world.

It was announced yesterday that Walmart plans to end sales of rifles and other semi-automatic weapons in coming weeks. The retailer said it would focus gun sales toward hunters and shooting sports, CNN reported. Walmart said the change was made not for political reasons but because of declining sales.

Either way, I think that's good news.