(08-26-2015 11:19 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 11:07 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:56 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Disgruntled employees are a reason why businesses should bar persons from packing heat at their business.

1 - In pretty much ever CC state business have the right to tell their employees not to have a gun
2 - Few here would argue with you that private property owners (businesses) should have the final say in what is allowed on their property. The only ones who don't are the people who want to force bars not to allow smoking.
3 - This *DID NOT HAPPEN AT HIS PLACE OF WORK*
4 - There are many things different about the US / Australia, gun control is only one of them.

NRA/GOA supports banning businesses from keeping armed nutcases off their propoerty.

Nutcases to the right of me want to ban businesses from controlling their property... Nutcases on the left of me want to use the morons on the right to chip away at my constitutional rights.

Notice I said "FEW HERE" because we are the lot you're barking at.

(08-26-2015 11:11 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 11:05 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:56 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:51 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And why doesn't this happen in countries with gun control?

The US has gun control. Would you be asking for machete control if he had hacked them to death?

Had all three of them been packing heat, it would have likely made no difference as the reporter was carrying a microphone and the cameraman had a camera.

Disgruntled employees are a reason why businesses should bar persons from packing heat at their business.

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What are the 'mayhem murder' figures for Australia or Canada or the UK versus the USA?

Were averaging 2 of the atrocities every week (roughly 100 a year). Australia had 2 in the last 2 years. Canada 3.

and whats the number of crimes prevented by armed citizens every week? Look that one up and get back to me.

Lott cited research showing there are 2 million defensive gun uses each year. "After all, if these events were really happening, wouldn't we hear about them on the news? But when was the last time you saw a story on the national evening news (or even the local news) about a citizen using his gun to stop a crime?"

Such "misreporting actually endangers people's lives," Lott concluded. "By selectively reporting the news and turning a defensive gun use story into one where students merely 'overpowered a gunman' the media gives misleading impressions of what works when people are confronted by violence.

"Research consistently shows that having a gun is the safest way to respond to any type of criminal attack, especially these multiple victim shootings."
http://rense.com/general19/schd.htm

Guns always escalate. The guy you quoted is a loon. He says 2 million a year. News reports...maybe 1 or 2 per year. Meanwhile the lack of gun control and the proliferation of guns outside of people's homes creates tens of thousands of deaths per year.

(08-26-2015 10:56 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Were averaging 2 of the atrocities every week (roughly 100 a year). Australia had 2 in the last 2 years. Canada 3.

Two points.

One, in a nation of over 300 million people, 100 occurrences per year do not constitute an epidemic or pandemic. That number is pretty close to being statistically insignificant.

Two, those countries may have more restrictive gun laws. But their number of occurrences of such events was extremely low before they had those gun laws. Therefore, it is clearly something other than the gun laws that accounts primarily for the difference.

The solution is to make it a serious crime to pack heat outside your home.

(08-26-2015 11:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The solution is to make it a serious crime to pack heat outside your home.

As serious as murder? LOL. You people are so dense.

(08-26-2015 11:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The solution is to make it a serious crime to pack heat outside your home.

You saying 'pack heat' should be a serious crime.

The poor bastards aren't even cold yet and the political hacks, and folks on this website, are already calling for gun control etc. It perfectly demonstrates the lack of character those individuals possess. It makes you sad to know there are folks out there like that.

(08-26-2015 11:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The solution is to make it a serious crime to pack heat outside your home.

Works in DC and Chicago...

I mean clearly if I have it in my mind to kill people a law telling me that I can't bring my gun to do it will help..

#LogicFail

And *nothing* about this situation would have been prevented by such a law.

(08-26-2015 11:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The solution is to make it a serious crime to pack heat outside your home.

It is a serious crime for most morons who are shooting people to be packing heat. Most are felons, and its illegal for them to own guns. Go after those people and clean up the streets. If we still have a shooting death problem after that, then get back to me then.

(08-26-2015 11:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The solution is to make it a serious crime to pack heat outside your home.

Sorry unconstitutional ! Nice try.

(08-26-2015 11:24 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 11:11 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 11:05 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:56 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:51 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  The US has gun control. Would you be asking for machete control if he had hacked them to death?

Had all three of them been packing heat, it would have likely made no difference as the reporter was carrying a microphone and the cameraman had a camera.

Disgruntled employees are a reason why businesses should bar persons from packing heat at their business.

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What are the 'mayhem murder' figures for Australia or Canada or the UK versus the USA?

Were averaging 2 of the atrocities every week (roughly 100 a year). Australia had 2 in the last 2 years. Canada 3.

and whats the number of crimes prevented by armed citizens every week? Look that one up and get back to me.

Lott cited research showing there are 2 million defensive gun uses each year. "After all, if these events were really happening, wouldn't we hear about them on the news? But when was the last time you saw a story on the national evening news (or even the local news) about a citizen using his gun to stop a crime?"

Such "misreporting actually endangers people's lives," Lott concluded. "By selectively reporting the news and turning a defensive gun use story into one where students merely 'overpowered a gunman' the media gives misleading impressions of what works when people are confronted by violence.

"Research consistently shows that having a gun is the safest way to respond to any type of criminal attack, especially these multiple victim shootings."
http://rense.com/general19/schd.htm

Guns always escalate. The guy you quoted is a loon. He says 2 million a year. News reports...maybe 1 or 2 per year. Meanwhile the lack of gun control and the proliferation of guns outside of people's homes creates tens of thousands of deaths per year.

Well give the correct stats then Lazy

You cannot count suicides or suicidal attempts in these "facts" Lazy Tom.

(08-26-2015 11:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The solution is to make it a serious crime to pack heat outside your home.

You can't be serious.

You also cant count justified shootings or self defense. In those cases guns are doing their jobs.

(08-26-2015 11:34 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 11:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The solution is to make it a serious crime to pack heat outside your home.

You can't be serious.

In his defense, Tom's probably been off his meds lately as his new Obamacare policy doesnt cover them.

(08-26-2015 11:34 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 11:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The solution is to make it a serious crime to pack heat outside your home.

You can't be serious.

The people who step out of their houses with intent to kill obviously don't care if they are charged with murder so why would they care if they're charged with possession of a firearm?

That suggestion wouldn't stop anything.

(08-26-2015 11:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The solution is to make it a serious crime to pack heat outside your home.

Makes it much less safe, only the criminals have guns. CC is here to stay baby. Since Brady Bill was implemented another 150 million guns sold in the usa and the gun homicide rate is down 50% over the last 20 plus years. Yeah baby

(08-26-2015 10:16 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:15 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 08:56 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 08:41 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Gun lobbyists will say if they had been packing heat they would have survived.

Jesus Christ... you couldn't wait to make a stupid comment like that, could you?

The truth should never wait...

What truth?

That gun lobbyists believe what I said to be true. Didn't the NRA say if teachers were allowed to carry guns the school massacre in Pennsylvania would not had happened? Or if the 9 church members in Charleston had guns they would still be alive today? Pardon the pun but don't shoot the messenger.

(08-26-2015 11:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The solution is to make it a serious crime to pack heat outside your home.

(08-26-2015 11:55 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:16 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 10:15 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 08:56 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(08-26-2015 08:41 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Gun lobbyists will say if they had been packing heat they would have survived.

Jesus Christ... you couldn't wait to make a stupid comment like that, could you?

The truth should never wait...

What truth?

if the 9 church members in Charleston had guns they would still be alive today

Unless all 9 were terrible shots, they would be.

The truth should never wait.