(08-14-2015 11:25 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  How is this not lack of institutional control?

I do believe UNC was hit with lack of institutional control in the initial notice of violations. The ruling on the original notice is now delayed because of these new violations - which will prevent the NCAA from eliminating the Tar Heels from postseason play this academic year.

I'm curious to know if the timing of these new violations was timed to do exactly that. If so, the NCAA should give them the death penalty. If ever a case required such a penalty, this is it.

The Tar Heels are officially a national joke.

The NCAA is impotent they will hand out a seemingly harsh penalty because of popular opinion and then eventually fold like tissue paper when UNC puts pressure on. This is their MO.

(08-15-2015 02:33 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 11:25 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  How is this not lack of institutional control?

I do believe UNC was hit with lack of institutional control in the initial notice of violations. The ruling on the original notice is now delayed because of these new violations - which will prevent the NCAA from eliminating the Tar Heels from postseason play this academic year.

I'm curious to know if the timing of these new violations was timed to do exactly that. If so, the NCAA should give them the death penalty. If ever a case required such a penalty, this is it.

The Tar Heels are officially a national joke.

I agree. I would also like them to have to vacate all wins and championships that an ineligible player played in. I know some people might scoff at that. But taking down those banners and returning trophies is embarrassing.

(08-15-2015 02:33 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 11:25 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  How is this not lack of institutional control?

I do believe UNC was hit with lack of institutional control in the initial notice of violations. The ruling on the original notice is now delayed because of these new violations - which will prevent the NCAA from eliminating the Tar Heels from postseason play this academic year.

I'm curious to know if the timing of these new violations was timed to do exactly that. If so, the NCAA should give them the death penalty. If ever a case required such a penalty, this is it.

The Tar Heels are officially a national joke.

No Bitcruncher, the Tar Heels are a national disgrace.

ECU will become the 2nd team to get death penalty when this settles and hits the fan.

(08-15-2015 03:35 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 02:33 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 11:25 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  How is this not lack of institutional control?

I do believe UNC was hit with lack of institutional control in the initial notice of violations. The ruling on the original notice is now delayed because of these new violations - which will prevent the NCAA from eliminating the Tar Heels from postseason play this academic year.

I'm curious to know if the timing of these new violations was timed to do exactly that. If so, the NCAA should give them the death penalty. If ever a case required such a penalty, this is it.

The Tar Heels are officially a national joke.

I agree. I would also like them to have to vacate all wins and championships that an ineligible player played in. I know some people might scoff at that. But taking down those banners and returning trophies is embarrassing.

Let them keep their wins. Just take down the banner.

Kentucky got the death penalty in the 50s because several of their players shaved points. The school didn't know about it. They got hit really hard for the money packet mailed to the recruit in the late 80s. 2 years no tourney.

So maybe they could terminate UNC.

(08-15-2015 04:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 03:35 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 02:33 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 11:25 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  How is this not lack of institutional control?

I do believe UNC was hit with lack of institutional control in the initial notice of violations. The ruling on the original notice is now delayed because of these new violations - which will prevent the NCAA from eliminating the Tar Heels from postseason play this academic year.

I'm curious to know if the timing of these new violations was timed to do exactly that. If so, the NCAA should give them the death penalty. If ever a case required such a penalty, this is it.

The Tar Heels are officially a national joke.

I agree. I would also like them to have to vacate all wins and championships that an ineligible player played in. I know some people might scoff at that. But taking down those banners and returning trophies is embarrassing.

Let them keep their wins. Just take down the banner.

Kentucky got the death penalty in the 50s because several of their players shaved points. The school didn't know about it. They got hit really hard for the money packet mailed to the recruit in the late 80s. 2 years no tourney.

So maybe they could terminate UNC.

No. Take away all wins tainted by the stain of fake students and fake classes. With the fake classes, how many of those wins would they have gotten?

No. Remove the wins from the records. Remove all the losses from their opponents' records too, and chalk them up as wins against UNC by forfeit - nearly 2 decades worth of forfeits.

UNC has no integrity, and neither do those wins.

(08-15-2015 04:53 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 04:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 03:35 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 02:33 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 11:25 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  How is this not lack of institutional control?

I do believe UNC was hit with lack of institutional control in the initial notice of violations. The ruling on the original notice is now delayed because of these new violations - which will prevent the NCAA from eliminating the Tar Heels from postseason play this academic year.

I'm curious to know if the timing of these new violations was timed to do exactly that. If so, the NCAA should give them the death penalty. If ever a case required such a penalty, this is it.

The Tar Heels are officially a national joke.

I agree. I would also like them to have to vacate all wins and championships that an ineligible player played in. I know some people might scoff at that. But taking down those banners and returning trophies is embarrassing.

Let them keep their wins. Just take down the banner.

Kentucky got the death penalty in the 50s because several of their players shaved points. The school didn't know about it. They got hit really hard for the money packet mailed to the recruit in the late 80s. 2 years no tourney.

So maybe they could terminate UNC.

No. Take away all wins tainted by the stain of fake students and fake classes. With the fake classes, how many of those wins would they have gotten?

No. Remove the wins from the records. Remove all the losses from their opponents' records too, and chalk them up as wins against UNC by forfeit - nearly 2 decades worth of forfeits.

UNC has no integrity, and neither do those wins.

They don't have any semblance of integrity and deserve the death penalty.

I'm sure this is being blown way out of proportion...

North Carolina is not the only ACC in trouble right now. Florida State got hit with a legal case on Title 9 because of Winston. If the school is found guilty of covering up Winston and other players' gone bad? The schools could lose money including Pell Grant, research money and so forth. FSU could get the death penalty by the US government.

UNC could still lose their acdemics Accredidation which means the AAU would be strip from them. They will be kicked out of the NCAA and be treated like College of Faith and all those scam schools. Any games play against them from NCAA, NCCAA, NAIA would not count if they lose their accredidation.

(08-15-2015 11:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  North Carolina is not the only ACC in trouble right now. Florida State got hit with a legal case on Title 9 because of Winston. If the school is found guilty of covering up Winston and other players' gone bad? The schools could lose money including Pell Grant, research money and so forth. FSU could get the death penalty by the US government.

Why would the government bother with FSU when they did absolutely nothing to Penn St? What they did went far beyond Title 9. I think they would just let the NCAA handle it again.

(08-14-2015 05:49 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Here we go again. The NCAA should just go ahead and shut down UNC's programs for a couple of years, while they sort all this crap out.

UNC reports new violations to NCAA that should delay infractions case

This is all calculated. It serves to pile on the women's program as the scape goat and also delay any possible sanctions that would affect their NCAA aspirations this year. It's a complete and obvious joke.

(08-16-2015 08:45 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 05:49 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Here we go again. The NCAA should just go ahead and shut down UNC's programs for a couple of years, while they sort all this crap out.

UNC reports new violations to NCAA that should delay infractions case

This is all calculated. It serves to pile on the women's program as the scape goat and also delay any possible sanctions that would affect their NCAA aspirations this year. It's a complete and obvious joke.

Which is why I said they should just go ahead and shut down UNC athletics until all this is sorted out, by independent investigators, and if it's proven that UNC has dragged their feet on this for financial profit, I'd shut them down permanently.

No more sports. No more Tar Heels. No more lying cheaters dragging their feet - their non-existent integrity - and our patience - through the mud.

Screw UNC. Frankly, if I had any input in the matter, I'd have yanked the school's accreditation already. Of course if I had any input in these types of decisions, UNC would be joining Penn State in the unaccredited league. I'd have shut down both, to send a message that would NEVER be forgotten. The entire NCAA seems to have forgotten the lesson of SMU, if you ask me.

UNC deserves to be shut down altogether IMO. They deserve no sympathy, and no consideration after the punishment comes down. I hope they get slammed so hard they don't wake up for a decade.

(08-16-2015 09:34 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Screw UNC. Frankly, if I had any input in the matter, I'd have yanked the school's accreditation already. Of course if I had any input in these types of decisions, UNC would be joining Penn State in the unaccredited league. I'd have shut down both, to send a message that would NEVER be forgotten. The entire NCAA seems to have forgotten the lesson of SMU, if you ask me.

If it was that easy to lose academic accreditation we'd have far fewer accredited schools in this country.

These are just high profile cases because it involves sports. Its widely understood that big money college sports is full of rank hypocrisy about "student athletes", but UNC's infractions are minor league compared to some of the more egregious degree mill "career colleges".

(08-16-2015 09:43 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 09:34 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Screw UNC. Frankly, if I had any input in the matter, I'd have yanked the school's accreditation already. Of course if I had any input in these types of decisions, UNC would be joining Penn State in the unaccredited league. I'd have shut down both, to send a message that would NEVER be forgotten. The entire NCAA seems to have forgotten the lesson of SMU, if you ask me.

If it was that easy to lose academic accreditation we'd have far fewer accredited schools in this country.

These are just high profile cases because it involves sports. Its widely understood that big money college sports is full of rank hypocrisy about "student athletes", but UNC's infractions are minor league compared to some of the more egregious degree mill "career colleges".

So you're telling me that a university that created fake classes for fake students, who got fake degrees - all in order to make sure their athletes could be directed into a class they didn't have to show up for to get an A - isn't reason enough to have their accreditation questioned?

UNC might as well setup a website where people could send in their money, get their degree in the mail within 3 days, and not even have to enter the State of North Carolina. It's pretty much the same thing - only with room and board included, if you play the occasional game.

(08-16-2015 09:55 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  So you're telling me that a university that created fake classes for fake students, who got fake degrees - all in order to make sure their athletes could be directed into a class they didn't have to show up for to get an A - isn't reason enough to have their accreditation questioned?

Even worse, there were non-athletes in the classes! And the school used this fact as a defense to deflect NCAA sanctions! "Oh, it's not an athletics issue because there are non athletes in these classes.... so, go away, NCAA!" Having non-athletes in those classes should indeed call their accreditation into question! Sorry for all the exclamation points!

(08-16-2015 06:59 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 11:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  North Carolina is not the only ACC in trouble right now. Florida State got hit with a legal case on Title 9 because of Winston. If the school is found guilty of covering up Winston and other players' gone bad? The schools could lose money including Pell Grant, research money and so forth. FSU could get the death penalty by the US government.

Why would the government bother with FSU when they did absolutely nothing to Penn St? What they did went far beyond Title 9. I think they would just let the NCAA handle it again.

Because it is not just Florida State, but the district prosecutors and the Tallahasee Police covering up all the crimes that the Florida State players got into the past several years. Jimbo Fisher was turning a blind eye to what his players are doing. This became a federal issue with Title 9 and the issue of the lack of safety for women on the campus at FSU. It will kill their program like North Carolina's as well on this. The three biggest scandals right now in the NCAA if North Carolina, Florida State and Miami Florida. NCAA is afraid to give these schools the death penalties.

(08-17-2015 01:06 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 06:59 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 11:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  North Carolina is not the only ACC in trouble right now. Florida State got hit with a legal case on Title 9 because of Winston. If the school is found guilty of covering up Winston and other players' gone bad? The schools could lose money including Pell Grant, research money and so forth. FSU could get the death penalty by the US government.

Why would the government bother with FSU when they did absolutely nothing to Penn St? What they did went far beyond Title 9. I think they would just let the NCAA handle it again.

Because it is not just Florida State, but the district prosecutors and the Tallahasee Police covering up all the crimes that the Florida State players got into the past several years. Jimbo Fisher was turning a blind eye to what his players are doing. This became a federal issue with Title 9 and the issue of the lack of safety for women on the campus at FSU. It will kill their program like North Carolina's as well on this. The three biggest scandals right now in the NCAA if North Carolina, Florida State and Miami Florida. NCAA is afraid to give these schools the death penalties.

Are you completely convinced that the police & perhaps some prosecutors weren't involved in the coverup at Penn St? I'm not.

(08-14-2015 11:31 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  They are trying so hard to pin as much of this on women's basketball. It's shamful.

I agree. I hope that little ploy blows up in their face.

(08-15-2015 11:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  UNC could still lose their acdemics Accredidation which means the AAU would be strip from them. They will be kicked out of the NCAA and be treated like College of Faith and all those scam schools. Any games play against them from NCAA, NCCAA, NAIA would not count if they lose their accredidation.

I have been saying this from the beginning. If they loose accredation, the NCAA will have no choice but to kick them out.