(08-17-2015 12:30 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 11:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  UNC could still lose their acdemics Accredidation which means the AAU would be strip from them. They will be kicked out of the NCAA and be treated like College of Faith and all those scam schools. Any games play against them from NCAA, NCCAA, NAIA would not count if they lose their accredidation.

I have been saying this from the beginning. If they loose accredation, the NCAA will have no choice but to kick them out.

When Florida State loses all the government money for research and all that because of Title 9? They could also lose accredidation and be booted from the NCAA as well. I am surprise no criminal investigations into the Miami people that were involved with that Ponzi Scammer. He squealed who all were involved which included many former coaches Like Switzer, Fullmer, Coker And others.

(08-16-2015 11:07 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 09:55 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  So you're telling me that a university that created fake classes for fake students, who got fake degrees - all in order to make sure their athletes could be directed into a class they didn't have to show up for to get an A - isn't reason enough to have their accreditation questioned?

Even worse, there were non-athletes in the classes! And the school used this fact as a defense to deflect NCAA sanctions! "Oh, it's not an athletics issue because there are non athletes in these classes.... so, go away, NCAA!" Having non-athletes in those classes should indeed call their accreditation into question! Sorry for all the exclamation points!

As long as you don't use 5 exclamation points in a row, nobody will question your sanity.

But 5 exclamation points is a sure sign of a diseased mind.

Here's what I'd do:

-Strip every program that cheated (men's basketball and football, included) of every win from the 1990s to today
-Remove all trophies and banners of all championships from every program that cheated
-Shut down the AFAM department at UNC
-Ban the Tarheels from post-season play for five years
-Strip all former cheating athletes of their degrees
-Strip all current cheating athletes of their scholarships
-Fire all coaches, counselors and professors that had a hand in persuading students into these fake classes

(08-17-2015 02:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  When Florida State loses all the government money for research and all that because of Title 9? They could also lose accredidation and be booted from the NCAA as well. I am surprise no criminal investigations into the Miami people that were involved with that Ponzi Scammer. He squealed who all were involved which included many former coaches Like Switzer, Fullmer, Coker And others.

In all seriousness: there are too many FSU fans in the swingest of swing states. Neither party is going to allow the DOJ/DOEd to piss in that punch bowl. "Too Big Too Jail" isn't just for Wall Street. With the feds neutered, SACS and the NCAA sure aren't going to do anything either.

All of the animals are equal, but some of the animals are more equal than others.

(08-17-2015 02:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 12:30 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 11:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  UNC could still lose their acdemics Accredidation which means the AAU would be strip from them. They will be kicked out of the NCAA and be treated like College of Faith and all those scam schools. Any games play against them from NCAA, NCCAA, NAIA would not count if they lose their accredidation.

I have been saying this from the beginning. If they loose accredation, the NCAA will have no choice but to kick them out.

When Florida State loses all the government money for research and all that because of Title 9? They could also lose accredidation and be booted from the NCAA as well. I am surprise no criminal investigations into the Miami people that were involved with that Ponzi Scammer. He squealed who all were involved which included many former coaches Like Switzer, Fullmer, Coker And others.

UNC will get slammed pretty good, but they wont lose accreditation. Thats just wishful thinking for some folks. A university would have to have more than just one fake class I would think.

(08-17-2015 06:06 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 02:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 12:30 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 11:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  UNC could still lose their acdemics Accredidation which means the AAU would be strip from them. They will be kicked out of the NCAA and be treated like College of Faith and all those scam schools. Any games play against them from NCAA, NCCAA, NAIA would not count if they lose their accredidation.

I have been saying this from the beginning. If they loose accredation, the NCAA will have no choice but to kick them out.

When Florida State loses all the government money for research and all that because of Title 9? They could also lose accredidation and be booted from the NCAA as well. I am surprise no criminal investigations into the Miami people that were involved with that Ponzi Scammer. He squealed who all were involved which included many former coaches Like Switzer, Fullmer, Coker And others.

UNC will get slammed pretty good, but they wont lose accreditation. Thats just wishful thinking for some folks. A university would have to have more than just one fake class I would think.

I realize UNC won't lose their accreditation. There's too much money at stake, and enough money can buy innocence. It sucks. But that's life in the USA.

I wish it were otherwise.

(08-17-2015 06:06 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 02:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 12:30 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 11:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  UNC could still lose their acdemics Accredidation which means the AAU would be strip from them. They will be kicked out of the NCAA and be treated like College of Faith and all those scam schools. Any games play against them from NCAA, NCCAA, NAIA would not count if they lose their accredidation.

I have been saying this from the beginning. If they loose accredation, the NCAA will have no choice but to kick them out.

When Florida State loses all the government money for research and all that because of Title 9? They could also lose accredidation and be booted from the NCAA as well. I am surprise no criminal investigations into the Miami people that were involved with that Ponzi Scammer. He squealed who all were involved which included many former coaches Like Switzer, Fullmer, Coker And others.

UNC will get slammed pretty good, but they wont lose accreditation. Thats just wishful thinking for some folks. A university would have to have more than just one fake class I would think.

Virginia-Lynchburg, Ohio Mid-western and Barber Scotia all got their accreditation striped. Some of the HBCUs schools got some of their accreditation striped in certain topics like health, farming, and so forth.

This is just another distraction from men's basketball.

They could do away with all their sports except Men's Basketball, and those fans would be completely happy. They could be in the Big East and think they were the Notre Dame of basketball. They do not care about football or any other sport. Just the hardwood floor and Dean smith. THey have their head in the clouds.

(08-17-2015 10:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 06:06 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 02:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 12:30 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 11:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  UNC could still lose their acdemics Accredidation which means the AAU would be strip from them. They will be kicked out of the NCAA and be treated like College of Faith and all those scam schools. Any games play against them from NCAA, NCCAA, NAIA would not count if they lose their accredidation.

I have been saying this from the beginning. If they loose accredation, the NCAA will have no choice but to kick them out.

When Florida State loses all the government money for research and all that because of Title 9? They could also lose accredidation and be booted from the NCAA as well. I am surprise no criminal investigations into the Miami people that were involved with that Ponzi Scammer. He squealed who all were involved which included many former coaches Like Switzer, Fullmer, Coker And others.

UNC will get slammed pretty good, but they wont lose accreditation. Thats just wishful thinking for some folks. A university would have to have more than just one fake class I would think.

Virginia-Lynchburg, Ohio Mid-western and Barber Scotia all got their accreditation striped. Some of the HBCUs schools got some of their accreditation striped in certain topics like health, farming, and so forth.

Barber Scotia never had a National Championship in basketball.


UNC-Asheville must be quaking in their boots.

(08-15-2015 12:46 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  With regards to the death penalty, and the huge ramifications and consequences it had on SMU, I don't think the NCAA will ever have the courage to give it out again. While SMU was definitely guilty of many violations, and deserving of having the program shut down for a year, the NCAA had the power and authority to give it to Miami and Penn State - and didn't do it for either. Arguments could be made that both situations were, in fact, worse than the transgressions that SMU committed, but that is another topic entirely.

Is the NCAA willing to discipline and penalize, rightfully, one of the most recognizable institutions and brands in college athletics?

I think what will save them from the death penalty is not their own ass, but what completely removing a program does for the other members of their conference. That was a big issue with SMU, in that the other SWC teams had a hole in their schedule they had to fill. So they will probably hammer them, and sanction them to near death, but allow them to field a team to fulfill obligations to the teams on their future schedules.

I am not trying to be obtuse, but frankly in this era if you evaluate the risk/reward of cheating, there is little downside in breaking the rules if you are one of the big dogs. Everyone knows UNC will not be severely punished-- sure they'll have to forfeit some wins, lose a couple schollys or what have you but that is nothing compared to the jack they made over the success during the past 20 years.

(08-18-2015 09:33 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 12:46 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  With regards to the death penalty, and the huge ramifications and consequences it had on SMU, I don't think the NCAA will ever have the courage to give it out again. While SMU was definitely guilty of many violations, and deserving of having the program shut down for a year, the NCAA had the power and authority to give it to Miami and Penn State - and didn't do it for either. Arguments could be made that both situations were, in fact, worse than the transgressions that SMU committed, but that is another topic entirely.

Is the NCAA willing to discipline and penalize, rightfully, one of the most recognizable institutions and brands in college athletics?

I think what will save them from the death penalty is not their own ass, but what completely removing a program does for the other members of their conference. That was a big issue with SMU, in that the other SWC teams had a hole in their schedule they had to fill. So they will probably hammer them, and sanction them to near death, but allow them to field a team to fulfill obligations to the teams on their future schedules.

I could see them not wanting to hurt their entire conference, but why not have them cancel their non-conference games like they did to Baylor's men's basketball in 2005-2006? Baylor still played their full conference schedule but had to cancel their entire non-conference schedule in addition to a number of other penalties including post season bans and scholarship limits.

The could. And that more or less sums up what I am talking about. I mean if there ever was an incident where the term "death penalty" may have been warranted, it was Baylor Basketball then. Literally. And they didn't get it.

We could create a Petition on Change.org and force these schools get the death penalty. Our tax dollars are being wasted on schools like UNC that cheats and scams the students, the government and the tax payers. UNC would be looked at as being not just cheaters, but scam artists for all their sports and academics.

(08-18-2015 06:04 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We could create a Petition on Change.org and force these schools get the death penalty. Our tax dollars are being wasted on schools like UNC that cheats and scams the students, the government and the tax payers. UNC would be looked at as being not just cheaters, but scam artists for all their sports and academics.

I wonder how a restraining order, requesting UNC athletic programs not commence their seasons until the NCAA makes a ruling on their status would fare.

Would THAT force some action? Or would it be ignored due to the amount of money involved?

(08-19-2015 09:43 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 06:04 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We could create a Petition on Change.org and force these schools get the death penalty. Our tax dollars are being wasted on schools like UNC that cheats and scams the students, the government and the tax payers. UNC would be looked at as being not just cheaters, but scam artists for all their sports and academics.

I wonder how a restraining order, requesting UNC athletic programs not commence their seasons until the NCAA makes a ruling on their status would fare.

Would THAT force some action? Or would it be ignored due to the amount of money involved?

The problem is this is an abuse of the taxpayers' money. We have a right to have a say in this. Do we really want our tax dollars going to an University creating fake classes and all that?

To be frank, I think this is (or probably should be) more of an accreditation issue than a NCAA issue. The real damage being done here is to the academic credibility of UNC and their alumni. If UNC chooses to issue all "passing grades" and degrees to their students, that's UNC's prerogative... But it probably also means that nobody should take their degrees with any seriousness.

And the fact that the alumni and BOG are not the one's making heads roll says A LOT. Obviously the UNC alumni care much more about their BB success than the fact that the degrees they earned are not much more valuable than toilette paper. When you give out bogus grades to one set of students, you devalue the ENTIRE diploma.

The NCAA can only issue the requirement for certain GPA's to be met. It's up to the individual institution to mete out those grades and it's up to the accrediting agency to then enforce the standards for instruction and grading.

(08-19-2015 12:57 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  To be frank, I think this is (or probably should be) more of an accreditation issue than a NCAA issue. The real damage being done here is to the academic credibility of UNC and their alumni. If UNC chooses to issue all "passing grades" and degrees to their students, that's UNC's prerogative... But it probably also means that nobody should take their degrees with any seriousness.

And the fact that the alumni and BOG are not the one's making heads roll says A LOT. Obviously the UNC alumni care much more about their BB success than the fact that the degrees they earned are not much more valuable than toilette paper. When you give out bogus grades to one set of students, you devalue the ENTIRE diploma.

The NCAA can only issue the requirement for certain GPA's to be met. It's up to the individual institution to mete out those grades and it's up to the accrediting agency to then enforce the standards for instruction and grading.

Ding ding ding. How the UNC system hasn't speared headed this thing to clean up their flagship is an enormous embarrassment. Not surprising mind you bc the majority of them where "educated" in Chapel Hill.

UNC...P5 And ACC Rep..."The five charges listed in the NCAA's notice are":

• There was a lack of institutional control in failing to "sufficiently monitor" the interactions between the AFAM and the academic support departments, and athletes received "preferential access" to AFAM's irregular courses.

• Academic counselors "leveraged" relationships from fall 2002 to summer 2011 with AFAM faculty and staff to provide athletes with benefits such as suggesting assignments, turning in papers for them and recommending grades. In addition, 10 athletes exceeded UNC's 12-hour limit of independent study credits countable toward graduation between fall 2006 and summer 2011 due to misidentified "paper classes."

• Women's basketball counselor Jan Boxill provided improper assistance by sometimes adding content to athletes' papers and recommended a grade for submitted work in at least one case.

• Crowder, one of two AFAM staffers most directly linked to the irregularities, didn't cooperate with NCAA investigators.

• Former AFAM department chairman Julius Nyang'oro, the other staffer most directly linked to the irregular courses, also declined to cooperate.