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(07-09-2015 02:31 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  multiple week concussions will rule all of them out of action. Burrell will be asked to score 30 a game as plan B.

Typical Pastner disconnect:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/sports/t...t_32242572

“I love him. He’s a talent,” Pastner said. “He’s gotta produce at a high level. I got on him (against East Carolina) because he was being too passive. I said, ‘We can’t have you out there just being passive. We need you to be aggressive. We need you to be a stud. You scored 30-something a game in junior college (Burrell averaged 25.2 points as a sophomore at Lee College in Texas last season). I need you to score 30-something a game. Go get it done. However you get it done, go get it done. You got no restrictions from me. You got the green light, but you gotta get it done. If you’re not gonna get it done, if you’re playing passive, that doesn’t help us. I didn’t bring you here to do that. I didn’t bring you here to be just a tag-along guy. I brought you here because you were scoring 30-something a game in junior college, when you were a flat-out scorer. That’s why I brought you here.’

Burrell was a starter out the gate for the Tigers. Averaged 11 and 6 while shooting 63% from the field.

Had a bad shooting game in home loss vs. Tulane 2-11 from the field. Was "injured" vs. SMU and came off the bench for the next 15 games.

Mind you the quote above was made in the middle of the 15 game bench run where he saw his minutes decline from 26 mpg to 20 mpg and his field goal attempts decline accordingly.

YET, the coach wanted him to be the 30 ppg scorer. But off the bench. In reduced minutes.

OK.

my point exactly. Plan B . smdh ......that is the best we can hope for......no game plan....just get it done.....

maybe the law of avergaes will be plan C.

It typically takes JUCOs a year to adjust to the college game.

I fully expect Burrell to average 30 ppg this year.

We might as well have Pastner suit up if we're throwing this year away.

A dull year coming up with a lame duck coach....basically a wasted season.

Does not matter who starts..We still have a HS coach

The Tigers will be fine.better talent now.It will mean wins. B on the wagon or get the hell out of tigers program

(07-09-2015 02:39 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 01:38 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 01:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Certainly, you can't just argue "history" or well, Memphis lost to ECU last year therefore they will lose to them this year.

Temple loses two of their top three players. Even last year, both games (without AN) were incredibly close. Memphis adds Tarrant and the Lawsons, Temple adds no one worthwhile. So, basically, Memphis already played Temple without Austin and gets to add the Lawsons and Tarrant, while Temple loses Morgan and Will Cummings.

That actually looks like a better deal for Memphis...and that was two losses.

I agree that SMU and Cinci will be the two best teams, but there is nothing so daunting about the idea of Memphis winning those games at home. Tulsa was an nit team that is guard heavy and beat Memphis in OT when the Tigers lost Austin.

Perhaps if you are saying you have no faith in the coach, but in terms of "roster swapping" the only teams I would consider would be SMU (if Frazier is eligible), Cinci and UConn. And that is just consider.

I think it's safe to say that the talent disparity between Memphis and other teams isn't enough to assure us that we'll have a successful season in AAC play. We've pretty much had the best roster in the conference two years running with sub-par results.

Wrong. SMU, UConn and UC didn't have scrubs. Yes fire JP, but we don't have to make stuff up. He's doing a fine job on his own paving a path that leads out the door.

Yep, he's gonna ride off into the sunset with several million dollars in his pocket...... on top of what he's already made.

(07-09-2015 02:39 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 01:38 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 01:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Certainly, you can't just argue "history" or well, Memphis lost to ECU last year therefore they will lose to them this year.

Temple loses two of their top three players. Even last year, both games (without AN) were incredibly close. Memphis adds Tarrant and the Lawsons, Temple adds no one worthwhile. So, basically, Memphis already played Temple without Austin and gets to add the Lawsons and Tarrant, while Temple loses Morgan and Will Cummings.

That actually looks like a better deal for Memphis...and that was two losses.

I agree that SMU and Cinci will be the two best teams, but there is nothing so daunting about the idea of Memphis winning those games at home. Tulsa was an nit team that is guard heavy and beat Memphis in OT when the Tigers lost Austin.

Perhaps if you are saying you have no faith in the coach, but in terms of "roster swapping" the only teams I would consider would be SMU (if Frazier is eligible), Cinci and UConn. And that is just consider.

I think it's safe to say that the talent disparity between Memphis and other teams isn't enough to assure us that we'll have a successful season in AAC play. We've pretty much had the best roster in the conference two years running with sub-par results.

Wrong. SMU, UConn and UC didn't have scrubs. Yes fire JP, but we don't have to make stuff up. He's doing a fine job on his own paving a path that leads out the door.

I never said they had scrubs, I said we had the better roster. Last season before it started, that's what we all thought.

(07-09-2015 01:37 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 01:35 PM)450bench Wrote:  Here's a lineup that would go 18-11 with a one game run in the NIT under the current coach.

Wilt Chamberlain
Larry Bird
Charles Barkley
Michael Jordan
Magic Johnson

Subs: Hakeem O. Moses Malone, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Reggie Miller, Bill Russell, Kareem, Dr. J and Pistol Pete.

You'd have 5 transfers and at least 4 suspensions during/after the season.

They all cuss. They'd be kicked off the team (after a press conference announcing they will be suspended while insisting it is "in-house") for that.

I don't know, my pet dog (who is currently sleeping at my feed and is old and blind) could coach that lineup to the final four.

On the cussing... I'm a pretty polite guy, but I curse A TON. It's a pressure valve for a lot of high stress career types. It's just a way I cope with my daily client idiocy. I curse to save my own sanity and always will.

If someone were to tell me that is an issue with my job performance, I'd probably start cursing right then in fact.

I really don't see cursing as a moral failure. Moral failures are more serious than that.

The point is that Josh's coaching philosophies are deeply, deeply flawed. Put anybody out there and it's evident. He'd have michael Jordan playing 21 minutes a game. Throw in the other quirky nonsense with a big dish of control freak and you've got a messy situation. Which is exactly what we have here.

(07-09-2015 04:45 PM)450bench Wrote:  The point is that Josh's coaching philosophies are deeply, deeply flawed. Put anybody out there and it's evident. He'd have michael Jordan playing 21 minutes a game. Throw in the other quirky nonsense with a big dish of control freak and you've got a messy situation. Which is exactly what we have here.

My dog would just bark a lot. I assume Russell and Jordan would do the coaching in real life and they'd just give my dog doggie treats.

(07-09-2015 04:45 PM)450bench Wrote:  The point is that Josh's coaching philosophies are deeply, deeply flawed. Put anybody out there and it's evident. He'd have michael Jordan playing 21 minutes a game. Throw in the other quirky nonsense with a big dish of control freak and you've got a messy situation. Which is exactly what we have here.

If you whine harder, Josh will get fired faster.

(07-09-2015 04:45 PM)450bench Wrote:  The point is that Josh's coaching philosophies are deeply, deeply flawed. Put anybody out there and it's evident. He'd have michael Jordan playing 21 minutes a game. Throw in the other quirky nonsense with a big dish of control freak and you've got a messy situation. Which is exactly what we have here.

Right.

It should've been established a long time ago - choose a philosophy/style of play and find a rotation early each season.

(07-09-2015 04:50 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:45 PM)450bench Wrote:  The point is that Josh's coaching philosophies are deeply, deeply flawed. Put anybody out there and it's evident. He'd have michael Jordan playing 21 minutes a game. Throw in the other quirky nonsense with a big dish of control freak and you've got a messy situation. Which is exactly what we have here.

Right.

It should've been established a long time ago - choose a philosophy/style of play and find a rotation early each season.

We're how many years in under Pastner and I can't even tell you what kind of team we want to be.

(07-09-2015 04:55 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:50 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:45 PM)450bench Wrote:  The point is that Josh's coaching philosophies are deeply, deeply flawed. Put anybody out there and it's evident. He'd have michael Jordan playing 21 minutes a game. Throw in the other quirky nonsense with a big dish of control freak and you've got a messy situation. Which is exactly what we have here.

Right.

It should've been established a long time ago - choose a philosophy/style of play and find a rotation early each season.

We're how many years in under Pastner and I can't even tell you what kind of team we want to be.

Um, he's striving to be that team that nobody in the country cares about, and doing pretty well.

(07-09-2015 04:56 PM)RheaJ Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:55 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:50 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:45 PM)450bench Wrote:  The point is that Josh's coaching philosophies are deeply, deeply flawed. Put anybody out there and it's evident. He'd have michael Jordan playing 21 minutes a game. Throw in the other quirky nonsense with a big dish of control freak and you've got a messy situation. Which is exactly what we have here.

Right.

It should've been established a long time ago - choose a philosophy/style of play and find a rotation early each season.

We're how many years in under Pastner and I can't even tell you what kind of team we want to be.

Um, he's striving to be that team that nobody in the country cares about, and doing pretty well.

Ouch.

(07-09-2015 04:55 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:50 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:45 PM)450bench Wrote:  The point is that Josh's coaching philosophies are deeply, deeply flawed. Put anybody out there and it's evident. He'd have michael Jordan playing 21 minutes a game. Throw in the other quirky nonsense with a big dish of control freak and you've got a messy situation. Which is exactly what we have here.

Right.

It should've been established a long time ago - choose a philosophy/style of play and find a rotation early each season.

We're how many years in under Pastner and I can't even tell you what kind of team we want to be.

Given the defensive deficiencies of a lot of the projected starters, we should primarily be a zone team next year.

(07-09-2015 04:56 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:55 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:50 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 04:45 PM)450bench Wrote:  The point is that Josh's coaching philosophies are deeply, deeply flawed. Put anybody out there and it's evident. He'd have michael Jordan playing 21 minutes a game. Throw in the other quirky nonsense with a big dish of control freak and you've got a messy situation. Which is exactly what we have here.

Right.

It should've been established a long time ago - choose a philosophy/style of play and find a rotation early each season.

We're how many years in under Pastner and I can't even tell you what kind of team we want to be.

Given the defensive deficiencies of a lot of the projected starters, we should primarily be a zone team next year.

That's what I said last year too.