(07-07-2015 01:34 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:49 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:42 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Acting like a big time program never got Louisville in. Wins in The Fiesta, Orange and Sugar never got Louisville in. Selling out a 55K stadium with over 45K season ticket holders and a waiting list with another 10K begging for tickets never got Louisville in.

What got Louisville in was Maryland jumping to The Big Ten. If Delaney and Company hadn't invited The Terps to leave The ACC, Louisville still wouldn't be in.

Acting, performing or even succeeding "like a big time program" means squat. Half of the so-called Power 5 haven't acted like big time programs in decades. For programs like UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Memphis, ECU, UConn and Houston to scratch and claw for every dollar they get while some teams in the so-called Power 5 receive what amounts to a yearly welfare check is criminal.

What gets a program in? Luck? Circumstance? Networking? Ass Kissing? Who can say?

I will tell you that in Louisville's case we got lucky. Sure all the talking heads now point and say see what they did, see what Jurich built. The reality is The ACC went against every thing in it's DNA to invite Louisville over UConn. If The ACC acted like The ACC always did UConn would be in The ACC and Louisville would still be on the outside looking in.

I usually enjoy Berry Tramel's columns. He is way off base on this one.
CJ

Of course there has to be opportunity, but schools need to be in position to take advantage of the opportunity. That's Tramel's point. If Louisville wasn't committed like it was, it probably gets passed over.

(07-07-2015 11:17 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 07:33 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 06:13 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 01:33 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  It's supposed to be a weak take. It's incendiary and simply intends to cause counter to any claims that there are schools ready for the big 12.

The difference between TCU and Boise State? Location and Distance. He isn't talking to Boise State with this anyways and you likely know that. He is talking to UCF and their garbage stadium. He is talking to Memphis and their team full of thugs that havn't done what TCU has done. He is talking to Houston that had a chance at greatness but failed just a step below. Houston is close but they didn't get it done and that one single demerit will be what is held against them.

ECU matches a lot of what he brings up but they don't have that top level resume that TCU did. They didn't break through. ECU is going to be a top brand for the AAC as it distances itself from the other mid majors.


No one is being added, it's all just drama meant to bring the pot to a boil. Treating it as if there is anything more to it than that is a waste.

You mean that UCF stadium that is roughly the same size as TCU's? You mean that UCF program that has won as many BCS bowl games as TCU? Haters are going to hate. When you're a fan of Iowa I guess that's all you got is pretending to be elite and putting down others, it certainly isn't celebrating any Iowa football championships now is it? Que more ignorant put downs in 3,2,1..............

Size isn't everything son. To even think that your high school look alike stadium is anywhere close to the quality of the TCU stadium is a testament to true ignorance.

Guess I hit a nerve, caused you to just start having diarrhea of the fingers?

Right on Que............as predictable as the sun rising in the East.

I'm not your son. I'm not suggesting that BHN stadium is the TAJ Mahal, however, under the circumstances with limited budgetary constraints and building a new arena at the same time it was the best UCF could do. True ignorance is not knowing the history of which you speak, do you know anything about Amon Carter stadium? It was built in post depression era to help stimulant the economy, with an original capacity of 22k, it has been added onto multiple times over the years, but it really (up until the latest renovation) has never,ever, been anything to right home about. It was this last renovation(2012) that helped TCU into the b-12, prior to that it really wasn't very nice at all. Show me a high school stadium that is the equivalent of BHNS, anywhere in the country (I've never seen one, so let's just see if these are more hollow words). If you start a sentence calling someone Son without knowing anything about them it is proof positive that a nerve was in fact struck within you based upon some opinion. Truth is truth whether you use condescending terms or not. I've seen your posts prior to this and you appear to be the kind of poster that attacks people personally, not their opinions with facts just hyperbole. Another smokescreen.............

Yes, Amon Carter Stadium was originally built during the Depression and added on to many times. However, it was completely torn down and a new stadium was built in its place. It is not just a redo of the old stadium.

And for argument sake, I think UCF would be great for the Big 12.

Thanks for the kind words. I stand corrected. Irrespective of UCF, TCU earned their spot in the b-12.

(07-07-2015 01:58 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 01:34 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:49 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:42 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Acting like a big time program never got Louisville in. Wins in The Fiesta, Orange and Sugar never got Louisville in. Selling out a 55K stadium with over 45K season ticket holders and a waiting list with another 10K begging for tickets never got Louisville in.

What got Louisville in was Maryland jumping to The Big Ten. If Delaney and Company hadn't invited The Terps to leave The ACC, Louisville still wouldn't be in.

Acting, performing or even succeeding "like a big time program" means squat. Half of the so-called Power 5 haven't acted like big time programs in decades. For programs like UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Memphis, ECU, UConn and Houston to scratch and claw for every dollar they get while some teams in the so-called Power 5 receive what amounts to a yearly welfare check is criminal.

What gets a program in? Luck? Circumstance? Networking? Ass Kissing? Who can say?

I will tell you that in Louisville's case we got lucky. Sure all the talking heads now point and say see what they did, see what Jurich built. The reality is The ACC went against every thing in it's DNA to invite Louisville over UConn. If The ACC acted like The ACC always did UConn would be in The ACC and Louisville would still be on the outside looking in.

I usually enjoy Berry Tramel's columns. He is way off base on this one.
CJ

Of course there has to be opportunity, but schools need to be in position to take advantage of the opportunity. That's Tramel's point. If Louisville wasn't committed like it was, it probably gets passed over.

(07-07-2015 11:17 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 07:33 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 06:13 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  You mean that UCF stadium that is roughly the same size as TCU's? You mean that UCF program that has won as many BCS bowl games as TCU? Haters are going to hate. When you're a fan of Iowa I guess that's all you got is pretending to be elite and putting down others, it certainly isn't celebrating any Iowa football championships now is it? Que more ignorant put downs in 3,2,1..............

Size isn't everything son. To even think that your high school look alike stadium is anywhere close to the quality of the TCU stadium is a testament to true ignorance.

Guess I hit a nerve, caused you to just start having diarrhea of the fingers?

Right on Que............as predictable as the sun rising in the East.

I'm not your son. I'm not suggesting that BHN stadium is the TAJ Mahal, however, under the circumstances with limited budgetary constraints and building a new arena at the same time it was the best UCF could do. True ignorance is not knowing the history of which you speak, do you know anything about Amon Carter stadium? It was built in post depression era to help stimulant the economy, with an original capacity of 22k, it has been added onto multiple times over the years, but it really (up until the latest renovation) has never,ever, been anything to right home about. It was this last renovation(2012) that helped TCU into the b-12, prior to that it really wasn't very nice at all. Show me a high school stadium that is the equivalent of BHNS, anywhere in the country (I've never seen one, so let's just see if these are more hollow words). If you start a sentence calling someone Son without knowing anything about them it is proof positive that a nerve was in fact struck within you based upon some opinion. Truth is truth whether you use condescending terms or not. I've seen your posts prior to this and you appear to be the kind of poster that attacks people personally, not their opinions with facts just hyperbole. Another smokescreen.............

Yes, Amon Carter Stadium was originally built during the Depression and added on to many times. However, it was completely torn down and a new stadium was built in its place. It is not just a redo of the old stadium.

And for argument sake, I think UCF would be great for the Big 12.

Thanks for the kind words. I stand corrected. Irrespective of UCF, TCU earned their spot in the b-12.

If only kind words got us all P5 invites =/

Poor G5 schools, we gotta stick together in our misery

(07-07-2015 02:07 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 01:58 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 01:34 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:49 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:42 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Acting like a big time program never got Louisville in. Wins in The Fiesta, Orange and Sugar never got Louisville in. Selling out a 55K stadium with over 45K season ticket holders and a waiting list with another 10K begging for tickets never got Louisville in.

What got Louisville in was Maryland jumping to The Big Ten. If Delaney and Company hadn't invited The Terps to leave The ACC, Louisville still wouldn't be in.

Acting, performing or even succeeding "like a big time program" means squat. Half of the so-called Power 5 haven't acted like big time programs in decades. For programs like UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Memphis, ECU, UConn and Houston to scratch and claw for every dollar they get while some teams in the so-called Power 5 receive what amounts to a yearly welfare check is criminal.

What gets a program in? Luck? Circumstance? Networking? Ass Kissing? Who can say?

I will tell you that in Louisville's case we got lucky. Sure all the talking heads now point and say see what they did, see what Jurich built. The reality is The ACC went against every thing in it's DNA to invite Louisville over UConn. If The ACC acted like The ACC always did UConn would be in The ACC and Louisville would still be on the outside looking in.

I usually enjoy Berry Tramel's columns. He is way off base on this one.
CJ

Of course there has to be opportunity, but schools need to be in position to take advantage of the opportunity. That's Tramel's point. If Louisville wasn't committed like it was, it probably gets passed over.

(07-07-2015 11:17 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 07:33 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:   Size isn't everything son. To even think that your high school look alike stadium is anywhere close to the quality of the TCU stadium is a testament to true ignorance.

Guess I hit a nerve, caused you to just start having diarrhea of the fingers?

Right on Que............as predictable as the sun rising in the East.

I'm not your son. I'm not suggesting that BHN stadium is the TAJ Mahal, however, under the circumstances with limited budgetary constraints and building a new arena at the same time it was the best UCF could do. True ignorance is not knowing the history of which you speak, do you know anything about Amon Carter stadium? It was built in post depression era to help stimulant the economy, with an original capacity of 22k, it has been added onto multiple times over the years, but it really (up until the latest renovation) has never,ever, been anything to right home about. It was this last renovation(2012) that helped TCU into the b-12, prior to that it really wasn't very nice at all. Show me a high school stadium that is the equivalent of BHNS, anywhere in the country (I've never seen one, so let's just see if these are more hollow words). If you start a sentence calling someone Son without knowing anything about them it is proof positive that a nerve was in fact struck within you based upon some opinion. Truth is truth whether you use condescending terms or not. I've seen your posts prior to this and you appear to be the kind of poster that attacks people personally, not their opinions with facts just hyperbole. Another smokescreen.............

Yes, Amon Carter Stadium was originally built during the Depression and added on to many times. However, it was completely torn down and a new stadium was built in its place. It is not just a redo of the old stadium.

And for argument sake, I think UCF would be great for the Big 12.

Thanks for the kind words. I stand corrected. Irrespective of UCF, TCU earned their spot in the b-12.

If only kind words got us all P5 invites =/

Poor G5 schools, we gotta stick together in our misery

Astute observation, and very true.

Cincinnati:

Facilities- $170M in projects lined up for the football stadium over the next couple years-- check

Clothing- Deal with Under Armour in excess of $5M a year.--- check

Cost of Attendance--- UC will be paying in excess of $7K a year--- check

Winning- UC is among the top 10 in football wins this past decade. Have five conference championships in the past seven years--- check

(07-07-2015 12:32 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:19 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 11:57 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  *IF* TCU hadn't have turned their fortunes around during its minimal time in CUSA it wouldn't be where it is. Then they played that card very well to advance to where they are now.

TCU's turnaround was inevitable the day SMU pulled the plug on their program.

Patterson elevated TCU up another level from there....

TCU was greatly helped by the presence of Barnett Shale being under its campus and around Fort Worth. TCU landowners were greatly enriched by their mineral rights, which helped financially propel the Horned Frog football program. Seems if football needed something, the money was there. Before Barnett, TCU didn't have the wealth it now does.

THIS. Money can solve many problems in the G5. See TCU and Louisville.

The bottom line is that you have to be ready when your chance presents itself.

(07-07-2015 10:28 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:24 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  For the last 40 years BYU has been drawing large crowds and winning games.

Where has that gotten us?

If you believe the scuttlebutt, it has gotten you thinking you are too big for your britches.

(07-07-2015 03:43 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  The bottom line is that you have to be ready when your chance presents itself.

Yep, the Memphis Pres was on the radio yesterday saying the same thing. There are multiple schools in the G5 making investments needed to position themselves for success. What I found most interesting was that he acknowledged something along the lines of "These things always come down to relationships" and that he's committed working on and strengthening those. For those that don't follow Memphis that is quite a change from the previous admin.

I don't understand this writer. Yeah TCU was doing all of that. They were winning mid-major CUSA and MWC titles prior to their invitation to the Big East then Big XII. But so were other teams.

UCF for example has been investing heavily into facilities since the mid 2000s.... and with no hope at the time of making it into an AQ conference. The program has also been winning CUSA and AAC titles with multiple bowl wins including a BCS bowl game victory to boot. While BHNS is bare bones, it's still a very capable on-campus stadium and is relatively nice where it counts. Suites. They are also in demand and I'm unsure why the move hasn't been made to expand the tower at this point due to that. Many stadiums have basic bleachers for the majority of seats and they all have backing at least except the student section and opposite end zone. The stadium was also built to be able to be improved and expanded over time as needed - up to 65k. Some projects are already underway in terms of smaller projects and items to improve the game day experience. And of course the basketball arena is still damn nice.

Other teams have also been investing and winning like Cinci and more recently Memphis to name others. What is this writer taking about?

(07-07-2015 04:42 PM)Wooglin157 Wrote:  I don't understand this writer. Yeah TCU was doing all of that. They were winning mid-major CUSA and MWC titles prior to their invitation to the Big East then Big XII. But so were other teams.

UCF for example has been investing heavily into facilities since the mid 2000s.... and with no hope at the time of making it into an AQ conference. The program has also been winning CUSA and AAC titles with multiple bowl wins including a BCS bowl game victory to boot. While BHNS is bare bones, it's still a very capable on-campus stadium and is relatively nice where it counts. Suites. They are also in demand and I'm unsure why the move hasn't been made to expand the tower at this point due to that. Many stadiums have basic bleachers for the majority of seats and they all have backing at least except the student section and opposite end zone. The stadium was also built to be able to be improved and expanded over time as needed - up to 65k. Some projects are already underway in terms of smaller projects and items to improve the game day experience. And of course the basketball arena is still damn nice.

Other teams have also been investing and winning like Cinci and more recently Memphis to name others. What is this writer taking about?

It's a valid question. It probably has to do with perception in Tramel's eyes. TCU, at least in his opinion, was able to bridge that perception gap with the Rose Bowl win and this facilities/ budgets. You can argue that others have done the same, or you could argue that Tramel's preception is biased by the reality that TCU is in the Big 12 and now had success. Wouldn't argue with either point.

(07-07-2015 08:35 AM)FUB Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 08:22 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  The column is trite but Trammel's point is unassailable. Some of these teams - particularly in the market-rich American - are going to have to force their way into the party. They're going to have to win big games, build great facilities, cultivate large followings, and buy their way onto the big table, as it were.

And they're also going to have to get very, very lucky - just as did TCU.

And if they aren't as fortunate as TCU, those facilities and followings that they've developed will help them make their current conference that much better.

Well said,Doctor.

TCU did what they needed to do; they had their ducks in a row. But they never would have received an invitation if Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri, and Texas A&M had stayed. They did get lucky.

(07-07-2015 09:33 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Our football stadium is better then Texas Tech's (straight from Ruffin' and Lincoln Riley's mouth) and Kansas' stadium. We are also on par with Kansas State, Iowa State, and West Virginia. By size we are larger then TCU and Baylor. So I think ECU has proven we belong. Especially when we get the new press box built. Our baseball stadium is on par or better then Big 12 baseball stadiums. The one thing we need to improve, just like TCU is doing is our basketball arena. We have the nice/new practice facility but we just need the arena. Also needs to be gutted and redone completely on the inside like Cincy and Houston are doing and what SMU and South Florida did.

I respect Ruffian and Lincoln but I think they were exaggerating a little bit.

Texas Tech has a capacity just under 61k
http://www.texastech.com/facilities/fac-...adium.html

Iowa St's new expansion will push capacity to 61k
http://www.cyclones.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=3683145

West Virginia's stadium has a capacity of 60k
http://www.wvusports.com/page.cfm?section=7920

ECU's stadium is listed at 50k which I consider impressive
http://www.ecupirates.com/facilities/ecu...dowdy.html

(07-07-2015 12:01 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 09:31 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Iowa can celebrate the 1921 National Championship, along with Nile Kinnick and they have a recent Orange Bowl win. They are not the upper echelon of the Big Ten, but they rest securely in the second tier.

Right or wrong, Iowa was a founding member. Membership has its Privileges. They do not need to prove their "worth." In addition to that, no league can have all "great" teams. Just not feasible in a sport where the majority of your games are played against each other. So for your non-marquee teams, you want them to provide good support, a good market presence, or both. Iowa does that.

If you apply for a partner position at a new law firm, it doesn't matter if you are a better attorney than the old guy who was a founding partner: his position is secure and he is not going anywhere. What matters is what you specifically bring to the table and how you can help grow the company.

People are just bringing up Iowa because they want to troll the guy that is schooling them whom happens to be from Iowa. No big deal, kiddie trolls doing what kiddie trolls do.

Iowa Athletics have plenty of history but Iowa also has plenty of top notch schools listing Iowa as a peer school. Schools like UCF? Oh they do not want me to go get that list. That list is far more important and telling.

(07-07-2015 10:59 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 07:33 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 06:13 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 01:33 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  It's supposed to be a weak take. It's incendiary and simply intends to cause counter to any claims that there are schools ready for the big 12.

The difference between TCU and Boise State? Location and Distance. He isn't talking to Boise State with this anyways and you likely know that. He is talking to UCF and their garbage stadium. He is talking to Memphis and their team full of thugs that havn't done what TCU has done. He is talking to Houston that had a chance at greatness but failed just a step below. Houston is close but they didn't get it done and that one single demerit will be what is held against them.

ECU matches a lot of what he brings up but they don't have that top level resume that TCU did. They didn't break through. ECU is going to be a top brand for the AAC as it distances itself from the other mid majors.


No one is being added, it's all just drama meant to bring the pot to a boil. Treating it as if there is anything more to it than that is a waste.

You mean that UCF stadium that is roughly the same size as TCU's? You mean that UCF program that has won as many BCS bowl games as TCU? Haters are going to hate. When you're a fan of Iowa I guess that's all you got is pretending to be elite and putting down others, it certainly isn't celebrating any Iowa football championships now is it? Que more ignorant put downs in 3,2,1..............

Size isn't everything son. To even think that your high school look alike stadium is anywhere close to the quality of the TCU stadium is a testament to true ignorance.

Guess I hit a nerve, caused you to just start having diarrhea of the fingers?

There are two differences between UCF's stadium and Doak Campbell (fsu): 1 they have a brick facade over their aluminum stadium, 2 they're done building there's. Out of curiosity, have you ever actually attended a game at UCF?

Why would I ever attend a game at UCF? There are ways to see a stadium without attending a game.

(07-07-2015 05:48 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:59 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 07:33 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 06:13 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 01:33 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  It's supposed to be a weak take. It's incendiary and simply intends to cause counter to any claims that there are schools ready for the big 12.

The difference between TCU and Boise State? Location and Distance. He isn't talking to Boise State with this anyways and you likely know that. He is talking to UCF and their garbage stadium. He is talking to Memphis and their team full of thugs that havn't done what TCU has done. He is talking to Houston that had a chance at greatness but failed just a step below. Houston is close but they didn't get it done and that one single demerit will be what is held against them.

ECU matches a lot of what he brings up but they don't have that top level resume that TCU did. They didn't break through. ECU is going to be a top brand for the AAC as it distances itself from the other mid majors.


No one is being added, it's all just drama meant to bring the pot to a boil. Treating it as if there is anything more to it than that is a waste.

You mean that UCF stadium that is roughly the same size as TCU's? You mean that UCF program that has won as many BCS bowl games as TCU? Haters are going to hate. When you're a fan of Iowa I guess that's all you got is pretending to be elite and putting down others, it certainly isn't celebrating any Iowa football championships now is it? Que more ignorant put downs in 3,2,1..............

Size isn't everything son. To even think that your high school look alike stadium is anywhere close to the quality of the TCU stadium is a testament to true ignorance.

Guess I hit a nerve, caused you to just start having diarrhea of the fingers?

There are two differences between UCF's stadium and Doak Campbell (fsu): 1 they have a brick facade over their aluminum stadium, 2 they're done building there's. Out of curiosity, have you ever actually attended a game at UCF?

Why would I ever attend a game at UCF? There are ways to see a stadium without attending a game.

Well you should check it out sometime you might enjoy the atmosphere as well as the stadium.

(07-07-2015 06:27 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 05:48 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:59 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 07:33 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 06:13 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  You mean that UCF stadium that is roughly the same size as TCU's? You mean that UCF program that has won as many BCS bowl games as TCU? Haters are going to hate. When you're a fan of Iowa I guess that's all you got is pretending to be elite and putting down others, it certainly isn't celebrating any Iowa football championships now is it? Que more ignorant put downs in 3,2,1..............

Size isn't everything son. To even think that your high school look alike stadium is anywhere close to the quality of the TCU stadium is a testament to true ignorance.

Guess I hit a nerve, caused you to just start having diarrhea of the fingers?

There are two differences between UCF's stadium and Doak Campbell (fsu): 1 they have a brick facade over their aluminum stadium, 2 they're done building there's. Out of curiosity, have you ever actually attended a game at UCF?

Why would I ever attend a game at UCF? There are ways to see a stadium without attending a game.

Well you should check it out sometime you might enjoy the atmosphere as well as the stadium.

How loud does it get? Is it built to contain noise or is there a lot of noise loss?

(07-07-2015 12:01 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 09:31 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Iowa can celebrate the 1921 National Championship, along with Nile Kinnick and they have a recent Orange Bowl win. They are not the upper echelon of the Big Ten, but they rest securely in the second tier.

Right or wrong, Iowa was a founding member. Membership has its Privileges. They do not need to prove their "worth." In addition to that, no league can have all "great" teams. Just not feasible in a sport where the majority of your games are played against each other. So for your non-marquee teams, you want them to provide good support, a good market presence, or both. Iowa does that.

If you apply for a partner position at a new law firm, it doesn't matter if you are a better attorney than the old guy who was a founding partner: his position is secure and he is not going anywhere. What matters is what you specifically bring to the table and how you can help grow the company.

Agreed. I believe that people forget sometimes that Iowa pulls their own weight and isn't a leech.

(07-07-2015 05:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:01 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 09:31 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Iowa can celebrate the 1921 National Championship, along with Nile Kinnick and they have a recent Orange Bowl win. They are not the upper echelon of the Big Ten, but they rest securely in the second tier.

Right or wrong, Iowa was a founding member. Membership has its Privileges. They do not need to prove their "worth." In addition to that, no league can have all "great" teams. Just not feasible in a sport where the majority of your games are played against each other. So for your non-marquee teams, you want them to provide good support, a good market presence, or both. Iowa does that.

If you apply for a partner position at a new law firm, it doesn't matter if you are a better attorney than the old guy who was a founding partner: his position is secure and he is not going anywhere. What matters is what you specifically bring to the table and how you can help grow the company.

People are just bringing up Iowa because they want to troll the guy that is schooling them whom happens to be from Iowa. No big deal, kiddie trolls doing what kiddie trolls do.

Iowa Athletics have plenty of history but Iowa also has plenty of top notch schools listing Iowa as a peer school. Schools like UCF? Oh they do not want me to go get that list. That list is far more important and telling.

I recognized that, but I have a soft spot for Iowa, specifically thanks to Nile Kinnick. Aubrey Devine is another extremely underrated and forgotten football player. Clyde Williams, too.

(07-07-2015 06:36 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:01 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 09:31 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Iowa can celebrate the 1921 National Championship, along with Nile Kinnick and they have a recent Orange Bowl win. They are not the upper echelon of the Big Ten, but they rest securely in the second tier.

Right or wrong, Iowa was a founding member. Membership has its Privileges. They do not need to prove their "worth." In addition to that, no league can have all "great" teams. Just not feasible in a sport where the majority of your games are played against each other. So for your non-marquee teams, you want them to provide good support, a good market presence, or both. Iowa does that.

If you apply for a partner position at a new law firm, it doesn't matter if you are a better attorney than the old guy who was a founding partner: his position is secure and he is not going anywhere. What matters is what you specifically bring to the table and how you can help grow the company.

Agreed. I believe that people forget sometimes that Iowa pulls their own weight and isn't a leech.

(07-07-2015 05:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:01 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 09:31 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Iowa can celebrate the 1921 National Championship, along with Nile Kinnick and they have a recent Orange Bowl win. They are not the upper echelon of the Big Ten, but they rest securely in the second tier.

Right or wrong, Iowa was a founding member. Membership has its Privileges. They do not need to prove their "worth." In addition to that, no league can have all "great" teams. Just not feasible in a sport where the majority of your games are played against each other. So for your non-marquee teams, you want them to provide good support, a good market presence, or both. Iowa does that.

If you apply for a partner position at a new law firm, it doesn't matter if you are a better attorney than the old guy who was a founding partner: his position is secure and he is not going anywhere. What matters is what you specifically bring to the table and how you can help grow the company.

People are just bringing up Iowa because they want to troll the guy that is schooling them whom happens to be from Iowa. No big deal, kiddie trolls doing what kiddie trolls do.

Iowa Athletics have plenty of history but Iowa also has plenty of top notch schools listing Iowa as a peer school. Schools like UCF? Oh they do not want me to go get that list. That list is far more important and telling.

I recognized that, but I have a soft spot for Iowa, specifically thanks to Nile Kinnick. Aubrey Devine is another extremely underrated and forgotten football player. Clyde Williams, too.

I am hopeful that Barta will be able to find enough donors to help buy out Ferentz sooner rather than later. If not then Barta needs to go for signing that insanely long contract with Ferentz.

(07-07-2015 06:27 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 06:27 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 05:48 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:59 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 07:33 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:   Size isn't everything son. To even think that your high school look alike stadium is anywhere close to the quality of the TCU stadium is a testament to true ignorance.

Guess I hit a nerve, caused you to just start having diarrhea of the fingers?

There are two differences between UCF's stadium and Doak Campbell (fsu): 1 they have a brick facade over their aluminum stadium, 2 they're done building there's. Out of curiosity, have you ever actually attended a game at UCF?

Why would I ever attend a game at UCF? There are ways to see a stadium without attending a game.

Well you should check it out sometime you might enjoy the atmosphere as well as the stadium.

How loud does it get? Is it built to contain noise or is there a lot of noise loss?

Wait what's wrong with UCF's stadium? it's pretty decent. I hear they are planning to put a area with beach sand and cabanas, that is pretty bad ass!

(07-06-2015 11:06 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  http://newsok.com/which-combination-of-s...um=twitter

"TCU acted like a big-time program. It won the Rose Bowl, then set about the business of proving it belonged. It raised the money and broke the ground and built the stadium, without any promises from a major conference. When the opportunity arose, TCU was ready, and it had the remade Amon Carter for the Frogs’ first year in the Big 12.

That’s what Cincinnati and Boise State and the Florida schools and East Carolina need to do. Don’t tell us what you would bring to the table in the Big 12. Tell us what you’re bringing to the table now in college football." - Berry Tramel NewsOK

Boise State have been building and upgrading their facilities for a very long time now. They are going to a 53,000 seat stadium.
Cincinnati just started on theirs.
UCF and East Carolina been working on theirs for some time now.

I say Boise State should get the same call as TCU now. But nobody wants them, but it is a shame since they could help a conference out big time. Boise State could help build Washington State in a new rivalry game. Boise seems to have quite a rivalry games going with Utah, oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State in recent years which could bring a boast to the PAC 12 when they need it. They could give Oregon a run for their money in the Pac 12 north.