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"TCU acted like a big-time program. It won the Rose Bowl, then set about the business of proving it belonged. It raised the money and broke the ground and built the stadium, without any promises from a major conference. When the opportunity arose, TCU was ready, and it had the remade Amon Carter for the Frogs’ first year in the Big 12.
That’s what Cincinnati and Boise State and the Florida schools and East Carolina need to do. Don’t tell us what you would bring to the table in the Big 12. Tell us what you’re bringing to the table now in college football." - Berry Tramel NewsOK
*IF* TCU hadn't have turned their fortunes around during its minimal time in CUSA it wouldn't be where it is. Then they played that card very well to advance to where they are now.
(07-06-2015 11:06 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote: [ -> ]http://newsok.com/which-combination-of-s...um=twitter
TCU acted like a big-time program. It won the Rose Bowl, then set about the business of proving it belonged. It raised the money and broke the ground and built the stadium, without any promises from a major conference. When the opportunity arose, TCU was ready, and it had the remade Amon Carter for the Frogs’ first year in the Big 12.
That’s what Cincinnati and Boise State and the Florida schools and East Carolina need to do. Don’t tell us what you would bring to the table in the Big 12. Tell us what you’re bringing to the table now in college football. - Berry Tramel NewsOK
P.S. And do it in an environment where the TV money gap between a "big-time program" and all of you -- which has a huge impact on what you're capable of "bringing to the table now" -- has increased enormously.
(07-06-2015 11:57 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote: [ -> ]*IF* TCU hadn't have turned their fortunes around during its minimal time in CUSA it wouldn't be where it is. Then they played that card very well to advance to where they are now.
TCU's turnaround was inevitable the day SMU pulled the plug on their program.
Patterson elevated TCU up another level from there....
(07-07-2015 12:19 AM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ] (07-06-2015 11:57 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote: [ -> ]*IF* TCU hadn't have turned their fortunes around during its minimal time in CUSA it wouldn't be where it is. Then they played that card very well to advance to where they are now.
TCU's turnaround was inevitable the day SMU pulled the plug on their program.
Patterson elevated TCU up another level from there....
TCU was greatly helped by the presence of Barnett Shale being under its campus and around Fort Worth. TCU landowners were greatly enriched by their mineral rights, which helped financially propel the Horned Frog football program. Seems if football needed something, the money was there. Before Barnett, TCU didn't have the wealth it now does.
(07-07-2015 12:32 AM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-07-2015 12:19 AM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ] (07-06-2015 11:57 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote: [ -> ]*IF* TCU hadn't have turned their fortunes around during its minimal time in CUSA it wouldn't be where it is. Then they played that card very well to advance to where they are now.
TCU's turnaround was inevitable the day SMU pulled the plug on their program.
Patterson elevated TCU up another level from there....
TCU was greatly helped by the presence of Barnett Shale being under its campus and around Fort Worth. TCU landowners were greatly enriched by their mineral rights, which helped financially propel the Horned Frog football program. Seems if football needed something, the money was there. Before Barnett, TCU didn't have the wealth it now does.
Fascinating.
(07-06-2015 11:06 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote: [ -> ]http://newsok.com/which-combination-of-s...um=twitter
TCU acted like a big-time program. It won the Rose Bowl, then set about the business of proving it belonged. It raised the money and broke the ground and built the stadium, without any promises from a major conference. When the opportunity arose, TCU was ready, and it had the remade Amon Carter for the Frogs’ first year in the Big 12.
That’s what Cincinnati and Boise State and the Florida schools and East Carolina need to do. Don’t tell us what you would bring to the table in the Big 12. Tell us what you’re bringing to the table now in college football. - Berry Tramel NewsOK
That is a weak take.
TCU won a BCS game, and a lot of other football games, before being invited to the Big 12. They deserved the invitation.
What Boise State "brings to the table" is even more. Comparing Boise to the other teams he mentions, as if their resumes are similar, is just silly. Boise has won
3 BCS/CFP games, taking down a top 10 team each time. You don't think they can sustain it? They've won 10 games at least once under 4 different head coaches. He touts TCU's stadium... ok, they have 8,000 more seats than Boise. So if Boise adds another section to their stadium, they're in? It's that simple?
It's supposed to be a weak take. It's incendiary and simply intends to cause counter to any claims that there are schools ready for the big 12.
The difference between TCU and Boise State? Location and Distance. He isn't talking to Boise State with this anyways and you likely know that. He is talking to UCF and their garbage stadium. He is talking to Memphis and their team full of thugs that havn't done what TCU has done. He is talking to Houston that had a chance at greatness but failed just a step below. Houston is close but they didn't get it done and that one single demerit will be what is held against them.
ECU matches a lot of what he brings up but they don't have that top level resume that TCU did. They didn't break through. ECU is going to be a top brand for the AAC as it distances itself from the other mid majors.
No one is being added, it's all just drama meant to bring the pot to a boil. Treating it as if there is anything more to it than that is a waste.
(07-07-2015 01:33 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]It's supposed to be a weak take. It's incendiary and simply intends to cause counter to any claims that there are schools ready for the big 12.
The difference between TCU and Boise State? Location and Distance. He isn't talking to Boise State with this anyways and you likely know that. He is talking to UCF and their garbage stadium. He is talking to Memphis and their team full of thugs that havn't done what TCU has done. He is talking to Houston that had a chance at greatness but failed just a step below. Houston is close but they didn't get it done and that one single demerit will be what is held against them.
ECU matches a lot of what he brings up but they don't have that top level resume that TCU did. They didn't break through. ECU is going to be a top brand for the AAC as it distances itself from the other mid majors.
No one is being added, it's all just drama meant to bring the pot to a boil. Treating it as if there is anything more to it than that is a waste.
You mean that UCF stadium that is roughly the same size as TCU's? You mean that UCF program that has won as many BCS bowl games as TCU? Haters are going to hate. When you're a fan of Iowa I guess that's all you got is pretending to be elite and putting down others, it certainly isn't celebrating any Iowa football championships now is it? Que more ignorant put downs in 3,2,1..............
TCU has always been a decent Football school. They struck Paydirt by being in the right place at the right time having already bailed from the MWC at a time that conference seemed was in deep doo doo, going to the Big East that suddenly also was falling apart and taking advantage of the Big 12 suddenly also in desperate need of 2 schools to stay solvent. Also being in a major Texas market didn't hurt either.
Maybe I would take Tramel's point more serious if there weren't about 20 schools in the Power 5 who haven't acted like a big-time program in decades (if ever).
(07-07-2015 06:13 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-07-2015 01:33 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]It's supposed to be a weak take. It's incendiary and simply intends to cause counter to any claims that there are schools ready for the big 12.
The difference between TCU and Boise State? Location and Distance. He isn't talking to Boise State with this anyways and you likely know that. He is talking to UCF and their garbage stadium. He is talking to Memphis and their team full of thugs that havn't done what TCU has done. He is talking to Houston that had a chance at greatness but failed just a step below. Houston is close but they didn't get it done and that one single demerit will be what is held against them.
ECU matches a lot of what he brings up but they don't have that top level resume that TCU did. They didn't break through. ECU is going to be a top brand for the AAC as it distances itself from the other mid majors.
No one is being added, it's all just drama meant to bring the pot to a boil. Treating it as if there is anything more to it than that is a waste.
You mean that UCF stadium that is roughly the same size as TCU's? You mean that UCF program that has won as many BCS bowl games as TCU? Haters are going to hate. When you're a fan of Iowa I guess that's all you got is pretending to be elite and putting down others, it certainly isn't celebrating any Iowa football championships now is it? Que more ignorant put downs in 3,2,1..............
Size isn't everything son. To even think that your high school look alike stadium is anywhere close to the quality of the TCU stadium is a testament to true ignorance.
Guess I hit a nerve, caused you to just start having diarrhea of the fingers?
The column is trite but Trammel's point is unassailable. Some of these teams - particularly in the market-rich American - are going to have to force their way into the party. They're going to have to win big games, build great facilities, cultivate large followings, and buy their way onto the big table, as it were.
And they're also going to have to get very, very lucky - just as did TCU.
And if they aren't as fortunate as TCU, those facilities and followings that they've developed will help them make their current conference that much better.
(07-07-2015 08:22 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote: [ -> ]The column is trite but Trammel's point is unassailable. Some of these teams - particularly in the market-rich American - are going to have to force their way into the party. They're going to have to win big games, build great facilities, cultivate large followings, and buy their way onto the big table, as it were.
And they're also going to have to get very, very lucky - just as did TCU.
And if they aren't as fortunate as TCU, those facilities and followings that they've developed will help them make their current conference that much better.
Well said,Doctor.
(07-07-2015 08:22 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote: [ -> ]The column is trite but Trammel's point is unassailable. Some of these teams - particularly in the market-rich American - are going to have to force their way into the party. They're going to have to win big games, build great facilities, cultivate large followings, and buy their way onto the big table, as it were.
And they're also going to have to get very, very lucky - just as did TCU.
And if they aren't as fortunate as TCU, those facilities and followings that they've developed will help them make their current conference that much better.
Agreed. G5 teams hoping for a jump have to take a "if you build it they will come" approach. It's a bit of a risk, because they may never come, but a "we'll build it when they come" strategy is sure to fail unless you get very lucky.
(07-07-2015 12:32 AM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-07-2015 12:19 AM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ] (07-06-2015 11:57 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote: [ -> ]*IF* TCU hadn't have turned their fortunes around during its minimal time in CUSA it wouldn't be where it is. Then they played that card very well to advance to where they are now.
TCU's turnaround was inevitable the day SMU pulled the plug on their program.
Patterson elevated TCU up another level from there....
TCU was greatly helped by the presence of Barnett Shale being under its campus and around Fort Worth. TCU landowners were greatly enriched by their mineral rights, which helped financially propel the Horned Frog football program. Seems if football needed something, the money was there. Before Barnett, TCU didn't have the wealth it now does.
Barnett Shale was big, very big for TCU and all of Fort Worth in fact. But even before Barnett Shale, dating back to the years immediately after the breakup of the SWC, TCU had decided to play the arms race game. At the time of the breakup, there was an internal debate of whether to accept second class status or make the financial and infrastructure commitment to take the next step. The school's leaders chose the latter. Barnett made playing that game easier, but the mentality change pre-dated the boom.
(07-07-2015 08:42 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: [ -> ] (07-07-2015 08:22 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote: [ -> ]The column is trite but Trammel's point is unassailable. Some of these teams - particularly in the market-rich American - are going to have to force their way into the party. They're going to have to win big games, build great facilities, cultivate large followings, and buy their way onto the big table, as it were.
And they're also going to have to get very, very lucky - just as did TCU.
And if they aren't as fortunate as TCU, those facilities and followings that they've developed will help them make their current conference that much better.
Agreed. G5 teams hoping for a jump have to take a "if you build it they will come" approach. It's a bit of a risk, because they may never come, but a "we'll build it when they come" strategy is sure to fail unless you get very lucky.
There are quite a few G5 schools that have invested in their football stadiums and acted like a P5 program, but that isn't why TCU got in and the others didn't.
(07-07-2015 08:49 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote: [ -> ] (07-07-2015 12:32 AM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-07-2015 12:19 AM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ] (07-06-2015 11:57 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote: [ -> ]*IF* TCU hadn't have turned their fortunes around during its minimal time in CUSA it wouldn't be where it is. Then they played that card very well to advance to where they are now.
TCU's turnaround was inevitable the day SMU pulled the plug on their program.
Patterson elevated TCU up another level from there....
TCU was greatly helped by the presence of Barnett Shale being under its campus and around Fort Worth. TCU landowners were greatly enriched by their mineral rights, which helped financially propel the Horned Frog football program. Seems if football needed something, the money was there. Before Barnett, TCU didn't have the wealth it now does.
Barnett Shale was big, very big for TCU and all of Fort Worth in fact. But even before Barnett Shale, dating back to the years immediately after the breakup of the SWC, TCU had decided to play the arms race game. At the time of the breakup, there was an internal debate of whether to accept second class status or make the financial and infrastructure commitment to take the next step. The school's leaders chose the latter. Barnett made playing that game easier, but the mentality change pre-dated the boom.
This is where Houston made their big mistake. Those schools understood the college landscape was evolving and that being a "have not" would eventually threaten a schools continued inclusion within the highest level of college football. The Houston administration was not nearly as ambitious or forward thinking at the time and we fell about 10 or more years behind schools like TCU or Louisville who were making big investments in facilities and increasing their budgetary commitment to athletics. The current administration is just the opposite and has made up much of the lost ground---hopefully, it's not too late.
(07-07-2015 06:13 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-07-2015 01:33 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]It's supposed to be a weak take. It's incendiary and simply intends to cause counter to any claims that there are schools ready for the big 12.
The difference between TCU and Boise State? Location and Distance. He isn't talking to Boise State with this anyways and you likely know that. He is talking to UCF and their garbage stadium. He is talking to Memphis and their team full of thugs that havn't done what TCU has done. He is talking to Houston that had a chance at greatness but failed just a step below. Houston is close but they didn't get it done and that one single demerit will be what is held against them.
ECU matches a lot of what he brings up but they don't have that top level resume that TCU did. They didn't break through. ECU is going to be a top brand for the AAC as it distances itself from the other mid majors.
No one is being added, it's all just drama meant to bring the pot to a boil. Treating it as if there is anything more to it than that is a waste.
You mean that UCF stadium that is roughly the same size as TCU's? You mean that UCF program that has won as many BCS bowl games as TCU? Haters are going to hate. When you're a fan of Iowa I guess that's all you got is pretending to be elite and putting down others, it certainly isn't celebrating any Iowa football championships now is it? Que more ignorant put downs in 3,2,1..............
Iowa can celebrate the 1921 National Championship, along with Nile Kinnick and they have a recent Orange Bowl win. They are not the upper echelon of the Big Ten, but they rest securely in the second tier. Plus, with the new divisional setup, Iowa has a open door opportunity for the Big 10 championship game.
UCF, TCU, and Iowa are all solid programs, UCF just doesn't have the historical nostalgia of decades yet, but it will come.
Our football stadium is better then Texas Tech's (straight from Ruffin' and Lincoln Riley's mouth) and Kansas' stadium. We are also on par with Kansas State, Iowa State, and West Virginia. By size we are larger then TCU and Baylor. So I think ECU has proven we belong. Especially when we get the new press box built. Our baseball stadium is on par or better then Big 12 baseball stadiums. The one thing we need to improve, just like TCU is doing is our basketball arena. We have the nice/new practice facility but we just need the arena. Also needs to be gutted and redone completely on the inside like Cincy and Houston are doing and what SMU and South Florida did.