(07-02-2015 02:00 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  5.2. Amazing. Great job

Tell that to those who have given up finding a job.

Screw them. They're lazy.

(07-02-2015 02:59 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:55 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:14 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

If they can't fill them, they aren't paying enough.

Not necessarily. Some people have been raised to think manual laborer other blue collar jobs are beneath them. They feel entitled to start half way up thia ladder instead of at the bottom.

I'm pretty sure there have always been people like that.

There sees to be exponentially more nowadays

(07-02-2015 02:24 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:11 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

Trucking is another big one where they cannot find enough people to take the jobs. Self driving trucks will fill those jobs soon enough though

Actually this is a good point...

These fields are areas where technology needs to replace people... and areas that perhaps the government should be 'funding research' to create the high paying research and 'technology' jobs needed to replace these jobs.

Of course part of it is that people would rather collect unemployment and/or work under the table than clean toilets or work in the hot sun. The biggest difference is that cleaning toilets or working in the hot sun often leads to supervising people who do so... while collecting unemployment (in and of itself) doesn't lead anywhere.

If technology can't replace them, then as is being said, they aren't paying enough.

I love how folks seem to think welfare=easy street, lol

(07-02-2015 03:21 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:59 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:55 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:14 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

If they can't fill them, they aren't paying enough.

Not necessarily. Some people have been raised to think manual laborer other blue collar jobs are beneath them. They feel entitled to start half way up thia ladder instead of at the bottom.

I'm pretty sure there have always been people like that.

There sees to be exponentially more nowadays

It is a tendency that people think that now is, worse, better, different, etc. than any other time in the past.

(07-02-2015 02:14 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

If they can't fill them, they aren't paying enough.

Or we are paying them too much not to work....

(07-02-2015 03:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:24 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Of course part of it is that people would rather collect unemployment and/or work under the table than clean toilets or work in the hot sun. The biggest difference is that cleaning toilets or working in the hot sun often leads to supervising people who do so... while collecting unemployment (in and of itself) doesn't lead anywhere.

I love how folks seem to think welfare=easy street, lol

I love how your comment either ignores or doesn't understand what you quoted.

Where do I imply that welfare is 'easy street'?

All I implied is that welfare (alone) doesn't improve your job prospects while even the most trivial of job does.

(07-02-2015 03:21 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:59 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:55 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:14 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

If they can't fill them, they aren't paying enough.

Not necessarily. Some people have been raised to think manual laborer other blue collar jobs are beneath them. They feel entitled to start half way up thia ladder instead of at the bottom.

I'm pretty sure there have always been people like that.

There sees to be exponentially more nowadays

It is. The millennials as a group have that more than any generation. It's sometimes due to seeing very young people become billionaires (like the Facebook dimwit) or their favorite pop artist who's not much older than them living a certain lifestyle. (And they see it a lot because they follow then on twitter and other social media.) So they have a distorted sense of the real world, and how you must work to get places.

Its not all of them. I wouldnt say it is most of them. But it is a much larger chunk than in the past.

We have the lowest percentage of people working since 1978.

The rate of people claiming disabilities is growing exponentially.

Government debt is out of control ... doesn't that crowd out private sector lending/borrowing?

There are so many long-term trends that look bad. This house of cards will collapse someday.

Remember, kids: If you have a job and are successful, it's entirely because of your hard work. If you're unemployed or struggling, it's the government's fault.

(07-02-2015 06:42 PM)Hitch Wrote:  Remember, kids: If you have a job and are successful, it's entirely because of your hard work. If you're unemployed or struggling, it's the government's fault.

Remember kids, if you dont work hard or take your career seriously, you will end up a libtard sucking on the mammary of public assistance for the rest of your life.

(07-02-2015 03:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I love how folks seem to think welfare=easy street, lol

Yep, should've told that to these people:



Aside from the It's Always Sunny reference, the thing about welfare is that even if it's far from easy street, our current system is not compatible with human motivational behavior. People respond to incentives, and right now we have a system which punishes work since there's a point where BOOM and you're suddenly out of benefits because you make too much. As a result people are unable to live comfortably on welfare and/or a low wage job, but unable and/or unwilling to move past welfare limits due to the enormous financial and personal investment required to make it. That creates dependency and encourages poverty traps.

(07-02-2015 11:13 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 03:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I love how folks seem to think welfare=easy street, lol

Yep, should've told that to these people:



Aside from the It's Always Sunny reference, the thing about welfare is that even if it's far from easy street, our current system is not compatible with human motivational behavior. People respond to incentives, and right now we have a system which punishes work since there's a point where BOOM and you're suddenly out of benefits because you make too much. As a result people are unable to live comfortably on welfare and/or a low wage job, but unable and/or unwilling to move past welfare limits due to the enormous financial and personal investment required to make it. That creates dependency and encourages poverty traps.

That is why EITCs, subsidized child care, free and reduced lunch programs, skills training etc. are needed.

No one wants to live on welfare. If you don't believe me, try it.

(07-04-2015 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  No one wants to live on welfare. If you don't believe me, try it.

No one wants to live on welfare, but our current system makes it extremely difficult to climb out and improve upon your former situation.

(07-04-2015 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  No one wants to live on welfare. If you don't believe me, try it.

(07-04-2015 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  No one wants to live on welfare. If you don't believe me, try it.

Oh I'm sure everybody wants to live in a mansion with some Ferraris and Lambos in the garage. They may indeed not want to be on welfare. But I betcha good number will settle for it.

If you think there aren't people out there who've settled for the compromise of no work but a very modest living ... you are wrong. Go to Wal-Mart during working hours. Watch the checkout lines for 10 minutes.

They get food stamps. They get a free phone. They get free health insurance. They get fully furnished public housing with a highly subsidized rent. They get subsidized electric and water. They get free internet and computer access at public housing computer labs. And I've seen them first hand checking out at Wal-Mart gaming the system, and hearing them organize to maximize the benefits. You want at least two kids -- because the handouts go WAY up if you have kids. If the father isn't involved it gets even higher. And for the stuff food stamps is not allowed to buy (beer, liquor, etc) they exchange EBT funds for cold hard cash... with the middle man taking as much as a 50% cut. They just busted around here a few months ago one guy who ran EBT transactions on his damned front porch converting EBT to cash... to the tune of over $30,000/mo. You can find ads on Craigslist -- go on go search -- for things payable with EBT.

And those are JUST THE FEDERAL benefits! Go to Maine or New York or California and you get a bunch of state freebies dumped on you too!

Your argument was forever destroyed for me when I saw 6 welfare queens actually doing math on paper -- with their free phones as a calculator naturally -- on how they had to split up the cards to pay for the horrible pile of unhealthy "groceries" they were buying so they could still have enough left over for beer and a night at the club.

(07-02-2015 02:24 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:11 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

Trucking is another big one where they cannot find enough people to take the jobs. Self driving trucks will fill those jobs soon enough though

Actually this is a good point...

These fields are areas where technology needs to replace people... and areas that perhaps the government should be 'funding research' to create the high paying research and 'technology' jobs needed to replace these jobs.

Of course part of it is that people would rather collect unemployment and/or work under the table than clean toilets or work in the hot sun. The biggest difference is that cleaning toilets or working in the hot sun often leads to supervising people who do so... while collecting unemployment (in and of itself) doesn't lead anywhere.

If technology can't replace them, then as is being said, they aren't paying enough.

This is an outstanding idea. Lets get rid of MORE jobs that people with limited education can get. I suppose you want these people to live on welfare because there are no jobs available for them.

(07-04-2015 02:28 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:24 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:11 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

Trucking is another big one where they cannot find enough people to take the jobs. Self driving trucks will fill those jobs soon enough though

Actually this is a good point...

These fields are areas where technology needs to replace people... and areas that perhaps the government should be 'funding research' to create the high paying research and 'technology' jobs needed to replace these jobs.

Of course part of it is that people would rather collect unemployment and/or work under the table than clean toilets or work in the hot sun. The biggest difference is that cleaning toilets or working in the hot sun often leads to supervising people who do so... while collecting unemployment (in and of itself) doesn't lead anywhere.

If technology can't replace them, then as is being said, they aren't paying enough.

This is an outstanding idea. Lets get rid of MORE jobs that people with limited education can get. I suppose you want these people to live on welfare because there are no jobs available for them.

we want them to live in illinois near you so you can provide the compassion and advice they need

(07-03-2015 11:29 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 11:13 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 03:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I love how folks seem to think welfare=easy street, lol

Yep, should've told that to these people:



Aside from the It's Always Sunny reference, the thing about welfare is that even if it's far from easy street, our current system is not compatible with human motivational behavior. People respond to incentives, and right now we have a system which punishes work since there's a point where BOOM and you're suddenly out of benefits because you make too much. As a result people are unable to live comfortably on welfare and/or a low wage job, but unable and/or unwilling to move past welfare limits due to the enormous financial and personal investment required to make it. That creates dependency and encourages poverty traps.

That is why EITCs, subsidized child care, free and reduced lunch programs, skills training etc. are needed.

What if you don't have kids? None of those apply except skills training but what if you are working 2-3 jobs? How do you fit in "skills training"(especially if you are working retail where hours can vary a lot- day/night/day of week)?

(07-04-2015 02:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-04-2015 02:28 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:24 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:11 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

Trucking is another big one where they cannot find enough people to take the jobs. Self driving trucks will fill those jobs soon enough though

Actually this is a good point...

These fields are areas where technology needs to replace people... and areas that perhaps the government should be 'funding research' to create the high paying research and 'technology' jobs needed to replace these jobs.

Of course part of it is that people would rather collect unemployment and/or work under the table than clean toilets or work in the hot sun. The biggest difference is that cleaning toilets or working in the hot sun often leads to supervising people who do so... while collecting unemployment (in and of itself) doesn't lead anywhere.

If technology can't replace them, then as is being said, they aren't paying enough.

This is an outstanding idea. Lets get rid of MORE jobs that people with limited education can get. I suppose you want these people to live on welfare because there are no jobs available for them.

we want them to live in illinois near you so you can provide the compassion and advice they need

So what you are saying is "I've got mine f__ck everyone else". Gotcha. You are just another greedy heartless right winger.