Figured I'd spoil this before Mach had a chance to do some spinnin'.


HEY LOOK WE ADDED OVER 200K JOBS! UNEMPLOYMENT IS THE LOWEST IN 7 YEARS! OBAMANOMICS EVERYBODY!



Oh and uh, the labor participation rate is the lowest in nearly 40 years and the steady stream of discouraged people leaves the workforce entirely to suck up welfare and entitlements.

And wages are still as flat as ever. The real compensation of employees is actually down 10-15% over the last decade when you factor in how much they've lost to inflation.

LoL I love how once people have been unemployed for a certain length of time, we stop counting them. The unemployment rate is a joke of a figure. The same folks who calculate that must be the ones working on climate change temps, too.

5.2. Amazing. Great job

(07-02-2015 02:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  5.2. Amazing. Great job

Tell that to those who have given up finding a job.

(07-02-2015 02:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  5.2. Amazing. Great job

Only 62% of working age adults are either employed or seeking employment. You have to go back to the 70's to find a number that low.

(07-02-2015 02:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  5.2. Amazing. Great job

Ahh, willful ignorance. LoL A prerequisite for liberal arguments.

There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

Trucking is another big one where they cannot find enough people to take the jobs. Self driving trucks will fill those jobs soon enough though

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

So you are saying some of the unemployed are too good to do some of the available jobs? Like Cousin Eddie in Christmas vacation they must be holding out for management positions.

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

If they can't fill them, they aren't paying enough.

(07-02-2015 02:14 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

So you are saying some of the unemployed are too good to do some of the available jobs? Like Cousin Eddie in Christmas vacation they must be holding out for management positions.

Some of these jobs are just 1-2 steps from management. You just might have to lift 60 lbs. in Carharts and sit in the sun for a few hours day.

Intelligent, well-educated field guys are actually INCREDIBLY valuable in a world full of empty suits and knucklehead laborers.

(07-02-2015 02:14 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

If they can't fill them, they aren't paying enough.

30k to 50k isn't bad if you don't have options. If two people make this much, then you'll live an okay life.

(07-02-2015 02:11 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

Trucking is another big one where they cannot find enough people to take the jobs. Self driving trucks will fill those jobs soon enough though

Actually this is a good point...

These fields are areas where technology needs to replace people... and areas that perhaps the government should be 'funding research' to create the high paying research and 'technology' jobs needed to replace these jobs.

Of course part of it is that people would rather collect unemployment and/or work under the table than clean toilets or work in the hot sun. The biggest difference is that cleaning toilets or working in the hot sun often leads to supervising people who do so... while collecting unemployment (in and of itself) doesn't lead anywhere.

If technology can't replace them, then as is being said, they aren't paying enough.

(07-02-2015 02:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  5.2. Amazing. Great job

Only 62% of working age adults are either employed or seeking employment. You have to go back to the 70's to find a number that low.

The other 38% are "disabled", which now includes depression, ADD/ADHD, "fibromyalgia", anxiety, and obesity.

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The numbers are pathetic.

(07-02-2015 02:11 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

Trucking is another big one where they cannot find enough people to take the jobs. Self driving trucks will fill those jobs soon enough though

If something ever were to happen to my wife, I wouldn't mind going into trucking for my golden years and seeing the country.

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(07-02-2015 02:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  5.2. Amazing. Great job

Only 62% of working age adults are either employed or seeking employment. You have to go back to the 70's to find a number that low.

Seems to be an awful lot of people with a lot of money nowadays. Where is the 62% number from?

(07-02-2015 02:24 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:11 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

Trucking is another big one where they cannot find enough people to take the jobs. Self driving trucks will fill those jobs soon enough though

Actually this is a good point...

These fields are areas where technology needs to replace people... and areas that perhaps the government should be 'funding research' to create the high paying research and 'technology' jobs needed to replace these jobs.

Of course part of it is that people would rather collect unemployment and/or work under the table than clean toilets or work in the hot sun. The biggest difference is that cleaning toilets or working in the hot sun often leads to supervising people who do so... while collecting unemployment (in and of itself) doesn't lead anywhere.

If technology can't replace them, then as is being said, they aren't paying enough.

technology is becoming a bad thing for jobs at this point.

For decades, new technology was actually a driver of jobs. We've finally reached a point, however, where technology is replacing more people than it is creating jobs for. The gap is only expected to grow in the future.

Technology first replaced many blue collar jobs, but it's coming for remedial white collar jobs as well.

(07-02-2015 02:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:03 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  5.2. Amazing. Great job

Only 62% of working age adults are either employed or seeking employment. You have to go back to the 70's to find a number that low.

The other 38% are "disabled", which now includes depression, ADD/ADHD, "fibromyalgia", anxiety, and obesity.

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Some retire early because they can afford to to so. Some decided to go back to school to develop skills that we make them more marketable. Some decided to stay at home and take care of their children while their spouse works. Some have serious health issues and when they have trouble finding a job because of those issues or feel like they just can't work anymore apply for disability. Qualifying for SSA disability is a long, difficult process and few people are initially approved. The documentation to prove and conditions that qualify are very specific. That is not to say that there aren't people that figure out how to game the system, I'm sure there are. Clinical depression is a contributing factor that tends to help move things along as I understand it. But the increases in the number of people receiving SS disability has more to do with the aging population than anything else.

(07-02-2015 02:14 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

If they can't fill them, they aren't paying enough.

Not necessarily. Some people have been raised to think manual laborer other blue collar jobs are beneath them. They feel entitled to start half way up thia ladder instead of at the bottom.

(07-02-2015 02:55 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:14 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:07 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  There are positions out there where people can't find anyone willing to take them. Most of those are vacant or understaffed because they're undesirable, ugly positions. These jobs are often in the fields of sanitation, corrections, utilities, oil, or turfgrass management/landscaping.

If they can't fill them, they aren't paying enough.

Not necessarily. Some people have been raised to think manual laborer other blue collar jobs are beneath them. They feel entitled to start half way up thia ladder instead of at the bottom.

I'm pretty sure there have always been people like that.