ESPN just posted an article saying expansion is inevitable:

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/...her-a-when

Obviously, I am not completely objective when it comes to this subject. Also, I found his rationale and suggested teams questionable. TCU is flying high now, but what happens when they hit a rough patch? Suddenly, they become an albatross. You need teams that are going to produce TV interest and fan support in good seasons and bad - look at South Carolina selling out their stadium even when going through a winless season. Lot's of respect for those fans.

Best fans in the country are ISU fans. Compare FB, BB, and WBB against just about anybody and they beat them. And when you consider how little they have won in any of those sports it's even more amazing.

To answer your question yes. But it will be after OU and others leave.

(06-30-2015 11:35 AM)Okielite Wrote:  Best fans in the country are ISU fans. Compare FB, BB, and WBB against just about anybody and they beat them. And when you consider how little they have won in any of those sports it's even more amazing.

To answer your question yes. But it will be after OU and others leave.

I think UCONN has the WBB schtick cornered... and i hate UCONN

(06-30-2015 11:36 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:35 AM)Okielite Wrote:  Best fans in the country are ISU fans. Compare FB, BB, and WBB against just about anybody and they beat them. And when you consider how little they have won in any of those sports it's even more amazing.

To answer your question yes. But it will be after OU and others leave.

I think UCONN has the WBB schtick cornered... and i hate UCONN

Add up all 3 sports average and you will see ISU doubles UConn fan support. And ISU has not won anything in any of those sports like UConn has.

If ISU had a recent BB NC, WBB NC, and a FB CC with BCS appearance they would be expanding the football stadium over 100k with BB at over 25k and WBB at 15k+.

ISU fans are the best all around fans IMO.

From that article, this is a smart take. Why not wait for the next TCU, Utah, or Louisville to rise up and stand out from the others.

Quote:The Big 12, however, has one luxury at its disposal: time. The granting of rights slowed the realignment wheel enough for the Big 12 to meticulously weigh its expansion options.

Quote:If the Big 12 expanded now, its options would be limited. By holding off, it can wait to see if another TCU develops. Or, in a home-run scenario, a rift could develop in another Power 5 conference. (It’s happened before; just ask Dan Beebe.)

(06-30-2015 11:45 AM)Okielite Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:36 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:35 AM)Okielite Wrote:  Best fans in the country are ISU fans. Compare FB, BB, and WBB against just about anybody and they beat them. And when you consider how little they have won in any of those sports it's even more amazing.

To answer your question yes. But it will be after OU and others leave.

I think UCONN has the WBB schtick cornered... and i hate UCONN

Add up all 3 sports average and you will see ISU doubles UConn fan support. And ISU has not won anything in any of those sports like UConn has.

If ISU had a recent BB NC, WBB NC, and a FB CC with BCS appearance they would be expanding the football stadium over 100k with BB at over 25k and WBB at 15k+.

ISU fans are the best all around fans IMO.

I agree..... Iowa State has never won big at football and their basketball has had some success, but nothing really outstanding. However, they have tremendous fan uppport. They just expanded their fooball stadium to the third largest in the Big12 and they had few winning seasons, but their fans come to their games in droves.

Not only do they attend the games, they are among the most hospitable fans you will find anywhere. Same goes for basketball with a 14,500 seat arena they pack them in.

ISU fans also travel well, although admittedly the KC area is pretty convenient for them. They're good, engaged fans.

(06-30-2015 01:01 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  ISU fans also travel well, although admittedly the KC area is pretty convenient for them. They're good, engaged fans.

Yep....they sure do. Bowl committees love them when thay are bowl elgible.

(06-30-2015 11:27 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  ESPN just posted an article saying expansion is inevitable:

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/...her-a-when

Obviously, I am not completely objective when it comes to this subject. Also, I found his rationale and suggested teams questionable. TCU is flying high now, but what happens when they hit a rough patch? Suddenly, they become an albatross. You need teams that are going to produce TV interest and fan support in good seasons and bad - look at South Carolina selling out their stadium even when going through a winless season. Lot's of respect for those fans.

No, its not. His rationale is pretty questionable.

But the chances of it happening appear to be a lot better than a couple of weeks ago. We now know they don't lose any money on Tiers I & II. We know that OU and a least a couple of others want it.

(06-30-2015 01:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:27 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  ESPN just posted an article saying expansion is inevitable:

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/...her-a-when

Obviously, I am not completely objective when it comes to this subject. Also, I found his rationale and suggested teams questionable. TCU is flying high now, but what happens when they hit a rough patch? Suddenly, they become an albatross. You need teams that are going to produce TV interest and fan support in good seasons and bad - look at South Carolina selling out their stadium even when going through a winless season. Lot's of respect for those fans.

No, its not. His rationale is pretty questionable.

But the chances of it happening appear to be a lot better than a couple of weeks ago. We now know they don't lose any money on Tiers I & II. We know that OU and a least a couple of others want it.

That is correct, but they will lose some money on the CFP money and the bowl payouts, especially the Sugar bowl. I know you are aware of this, but I thought it should be mentioned.

co-champs for everyone

I'll be curious to see who they take... I think they are making a mistake if they don't take BYU first.... secondly, I'd see what they could do to grab an existing P5 - I don't think that is totally impossible ($$ talks) . After that I take Cincy... choices after that would be Boise, UCF, UConn, Memphis in that order.

Boise has the best brand name for football after BYU and Cincy... Fun fact about Memphis - last year's 10 wins were more than any two seasons combined from 2008 to 2013. Not getting into the UConn vs. Memphis (just look at the numbers over the past 10-15 years, attendance and schedules, it's not close so I don't want to hear about UConn's lack of football history), just don't put too much stock in one year with 10 wins. The AAC was very bad last year, unlike the year before w/Louisville where it was decent. If it's about recruiting, UCF is the better choice than Memphis. UConn has proven they can compete in a bad power conference but I think UCF could actually excel in one - that's why I say UCF over UConn (hard to pass up what UConn brings in basketball, but let's go with the football-theme here) . Memphis is a new coaching hire away from ... how they were the previous 15 years before their current coach.

EDIT: I should have included East Carolina and Colorado State on the list... I think they are in the mix with UConn and Memphis but I think ECU and UConn have geographic isolation issues in realignment. Colorado State is intriguing but I think UCF would still be better.

(06-30-2015 12:57 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:45 AM)Okielite Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:36 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:35 AM)Okielite Wrote:  Best fans in the country are ISU fans. Compare FB, BB, and WBB against just about anybody and they beat them. And when you consider how little they have won in any of those sports it's even more amazing.

To answer your question yes. But it will be after OU and others leave.

I think UCONN has the WBB schtick cornered... and i hate UCONN

Add up all 3 sports average and you will see ISU doubles UConn fan support. And ISU has not won anything in any of those sports like UConn has.

If ISU had a recent BB NC, WBB NC, and a FB CC with BCS appearance they would be expanding the football stadium over 100k with BB at over 25k and WBB at 15k+.

ISU fans are the best all around fans IMO.

I agree..... Iowa State has never won big at football and their basketball has had some success, but nothing really outstanding. However, they have tremendous fan uppport. They just expanded their fooball stadium to the third largest in the Big12 and they had few winning seasons, but their fans come to their games in droves.

Not only do they attend the games, they are among the most hospitable fans you will find anywhere. Same goes for basketball with a 14,500 seat arena they pack them in.

Surprised to hear about Iowa State being the third largest after expansion, and it is correct:

Texas (100,119)
Oklahoma (82,112)
Texas Tech (60,454)
Oklahoma State (60,218)
West Virginia (60,000)
Iowa State (55,000) - going to 61,000
Kansas (50,071)
K-State (50,000)
Baylor (45,000)
TCU (45,000)

However, that is a bunch of small stadiums for a P5 conference. BYU would step in with the third largest stadium in the conference. Kind of puts some of the knocks against including BYU in the Big 12 in perspective. Really shows it is Texas, Oklahoma, and everyone else.

Having said that, I would much rather talk scoreboard smack than attendance smack. We can only do that with Texas and Oklahoma.

(06-30-2015 01:55 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 12:57 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:45 AM)Okielite Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:36 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:35 AM)Okielite Wrote:  Best fans in the country are ISU fans. Compare FB, BB, and WBB against just about anybody and they beat them. And when you consider how little they have won in any of those sports it's even more amazing.

To answer your question yes. But it will be after OU and others leave.

I think UCONN has the WBB schtick cornered... and i hate UCONN

Add up all 3 sports average and you will see ISU doubles UConn fan support. And ISU has not won anything in any of those sports like UConn has.

If ISU had a recent BB NC, WBB NC, and a FB CC with BCS appearance they would be expanding the football stadium over 100k with BB at over 25k and WBB at 15k+.

ISU fans are the best all around fans IMO.

I agree..... Iowa State has never won big at football and their basketball has had some success, but nothing really outstanding. However, they have tremendous fan uppport. They just expanded their fooball stadium to the third largest in the Big12 and they had few winning seasons, but their fans come to their games in droves.

Not only do they attend the games, they are among the most hospitable fans you will find anywhere. Same goes for basketball with a 14,500 seat arena they pack them in.

Surprised to hear about Iowa State being the third largest after expansion, and it is correct:

Texas (100,119)
Oklahoma (82,112)
Texas Tech (60,454)
Oklahoma State (60,218)
West Virginia (60,000)
Iowa State (55,000) - going to 61,000
Kansas (50,071)
K-State (50,000)
Baylor (45,000)
TCU (45,000)

However, that is a bunch of small stadiums for a P5 conference. BYU would step in with the third largest stadium in the conference. Kind of puts some of the knocks against including BYU in the Big 12 in perspective. Really shows it is Texas, Oklahoma, and everyone else.

Having said that, I would much rather talk scoreboard smack than attendance smack. We can only do that with Texas and Oklahoma.

I think when you take into consideration how many of those Big 12 stadiums are being expanded/built in recent years you will see a conference with fan support that is growing where many are losing fans and playing in half filled stadiums like most of the ACC.

Aside from a Heisman and very questionable NC quite some time ago what has BYU done in recent years?
Pretty much all of the "everyone else" you mention has accomplished more than BYU in modern times. Even lowly Kansas won a BCS game. Everyone but ISU and TT played in one so that would be yoru spot in the Big 12 football lineup. Similar to ISU and TT. Except TT had a really good season back in 2007? ish so I consider them to have had a NC contender that season which I can't remember the last time BUY was in the NC conversation at the end of the season. When was it?

BYU is like Notre Dame but worse. At least Notre Dame played in a BCS game in recent times (and lost every time). BYU did't even play in one yet still like to act like they are some great football brand. No doubt you have a cultish (literally) following but I simply can't think of any accomplishments to confirm the magnitude of this football brand you are perceived to have.

I will admit to watching your QB play last year and felt he was really going to have a special season, darn injuries.

(06-30-2015 01:55 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 12:57 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:45 AM)Okielite Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:36 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:35 AM)Okielite Wrote:  Best fans in the country are ISU fans. Compare FB, BB, and WBB against just about anybody and they beat them. And when you consider how little they have won in any of those sports it's even more amazing.

To answer your question yes. But it will be after OU and others leave.

I think UCONN has the WBB schtick cornered... and i hate UCONN

Add up all 3 sports average and you will see ISU doubles UConn fan support. And ISU has not won anything in any of those sports like UConn has.

If ISU had a recent BB NC, WBB NC, and a FB CC with BCS appearance they would be expanding the football stadium over 100k with BB at over 25k and WBB at 15k+.

ISU fans are the best all around fans IMO.

I agree..... Iowa State has never won big at football and their basketball has had some success, but nothing really outstanding. However, they have tremendous fan uppport. They just expanded their fooball stadium to the third largest in the Big12 and they had few winning seasons, but their fans come to their games in droves.

Not only do they attend the games, they are among the most hospitable fans you will find anywhere. Same goes for basketball with a 14,500 seat arena they pack them in.

Surprised to hear about Iowa State being the third largest after expansion, and it is correct:

Texas (100,119)
Oklahoma (82,112)
Texas Tech (60,454)
Oklahoma State (60,218)
West Virginia (60,000)
Iowa State (55,000) - going to 61,000
Kansas (50,071)
K-State (50,000)
Baylor (45,000)
TCU (45,000)

However, that is a bunch of small stadiums for a P5 conference. BYU would step in with the third largest stadium in the conference. Kind of puts some of the knocks against including BYU in the Big 12 in perspective. Really shows it is Texas, Oklahoma, and everyone else.

Having said that, I would much rather talk scoreboard smack than attendance smack. We can only do that with Texas and Oklahoma.

Huh... maybe there is some pull behind Iowa St pushing hard for NIU then...

U know, Memphis already has a 60k stadium....

Add Boise State and UCF

(06-30-2015 03:07 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  U know, Memphis already has a 60k stadium....

Yep, and 4-5 bowl wins in their entire history. Spent 20 years in C-USA and never won it, only bowl eligible 3 years.

And in the best season Memphis has probably ever had in its' history this is how full the stadium was. 26k people in a 60k seat stadium is not impressive to anyone.
Schedule[edit]
Date Time Opponent Site TV Result Attendance
August 30 7:00 PM Austin Peay* Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium • Memphis, TN ESPN3 W 63–0 27,361
September 6 9:00 PM at #11 UCLA* Rose Bowl • Pasadena, CA P12N L 35–42 72,098
September 20 6:00 PM Middle Tennessee* Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium • Memphis, TN ESPN3 W 36–17 46,378
September 27 6:30 PM at #10 Ole Miss* Vaught–Hemingway Stadium • Oxford, MS SECRN L 3–24 61,291
October 4 6:00 PM at Cincinnati Paul Brown Stadium • Cincinnati, OH CBSSN W 41–14 25,456
October 11 6:00 PM Houston Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium • Memphis, TN CBSSN L 24–28 32,784
October 25 11:00 AM at SMU Gerald J. Ford Stadium • University Park, TX ESPNews W 48–10 19,498
October 31 8:00 PM Tulsadagger Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium • Memphis, TN ESPNU W 40–20 26,846
November 7 6:30 PM at Temple Lincoln Financial Field • Philadelphia, PA ESPNU W 16–13 23,882
November 15 2:30 PM at Tulane Yulman Stadium • New Orleans, LA ESPNU W 38–7 28,614
November 22 3:00 PM South Florida Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium • Memphis, TN ESPNews W 31–20 34,635
November 29 3:00 PM Connecticut Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium • Memphis, TN ESPNews W 41–10 35,102
December 22 1:00 PM vs. BYU* Marlins Park • Miami, FL (Miami Beach Bowl) ESPN W 55–48 2OT 20,761
*Non-conference game. daggerHomecoming. #Rankings from AP Poll released prior to game. All times are in Central Time.

While KU's football program has been a train wreck since the Orange Bowl year a while back, we do recognize the importance of football. We are not as far along on stadium renovations/expansion as some other conference mates, but we took out the track from our stadium last year and built a new track facility elsewhere in town as a first step to prepare the site for renovation.

(06-30-2015 01:55 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 12:57 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:45 AM)Okielite Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:36 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 11:35 AM)Okielite Wrote:  Best fans in the country are ISU fans. Compare FB, BB, and WBB against just about anybody and they beat them. And when you consider how little they have won in any of those sports it's even more amazing.

To answer your question yes. But it will be after OU and others leave.

I think UCONN has the WBB schtick cornered... and i hate UCONN

Add up all 3 sports average and you will see ISU doubles UConn fan support. And ISU has not won anything in any of those sports like UConn has.

If ISU had a recent BB NC, WBB NC, and a FB CC with BCS appearance they would be expanding the football stadium over 100k with BB at over 25k and WBB at 15k+.

ISU fans are the best all around fans IMO.

I agree..... Iowa State has never won big at football and their basketball has had some success, but nothing really outstanding. However, they have tremendous fan uppport. They just expanded their fooball stadium to the third largest in the Big12 and they had few winning seasons, but their fans come to their games in droves.

Not only do they attend the games, they are among the most hospitable fans you will find anywhere. Same goes for basketball with a 14,500 seat arena they pack them in.

Surprised to hear about Iowa State being the third largest after expansion, and it is correct:

Texas (100,119)
Oklahoma (82,112)
Texas Tech (60,454)
Oklahoma State (60,218)
West Virginia (60,000)
Iowa State (55,000) - going to 61,000
Kansas (50,071)
K-State (50,000)
Baylor (45,000)
TCU (45,000)

However, that is a bunch of small stadiums for a P5 conference. BYU would step in with the third largest stadium in the conference. Kind of puts some of the knocks against including BYU in the Big 12 in perspective. Really shows it is Texas, Oklahoma, and everyone else.

Having said that, I would much rather talk scoreboard smack than attendance smack. We can only do that with Texas and Oklahoma.

Boise State is going up to 53,000 seats.
Houston goals is a 60,000 seat.
Cincinnati is 40,000 +
UCF's Bright House Network could expand to 65,000 in the next 10 years.
Northern Illinois up to 42,000
Memphis Liberty Bowl Memorial is 66,000 + stadium.
U. Conn. design to be 52,000
USF can be expanded to 75,000, but shares Raymond James Stadium with Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
North Dakota State be trying to go 25,000 seating expansion. They keep selling out. If they keep selling out at 25,000? They could go bigger. But, it will take some real makeovers.
Old Dominion is looking to a 35,000 seat expansion and goal is 60,000. If they can get donors to donate.
Georgia Southern 25000 +, if they continue the rise like they did last year in attendance? They could expand even more.
Toledo largest crown, 36, 852. They could expand their stadium.
Tulane 34,500 looking at expanding.
SMU could expand to 45,000.
Rice 47,000 could be expanded to 70,000.
East Carolina 50,000 capacity, they got the green light to expand to 58,000.
Colorado State will open their new football stadium in 2017 with a 40,000 seating capacity, and could expand after that.
Air Force 46,296
New Mexico expanding to 43,000 seats.
Wyoming 29,181 and doing some expansions.
BYU is 63,470
Eastern Washington is expanding to 16,000 when done, and if they keep selling out? They could add more seating.
UNLV 36,800 could expand to 42,000. They are also looking at building a brand new stadium.
uNR 30,000
Utah State 25,513, and work on the stadium to take place.
Fresno State 41,031
San Diego State 70,561
Hawaii 50,000
UTSA 65,000 expanding to 72,000 (this one is a sleeper right here.)
UTEP 51,500
Lamar 16000 could expand even more.
Arkansas State 30,964