(06-23-2015 12:14 PM)Bleacher Eagle Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:04 PM)USMSTUD Wrote:  From 2001 to 2007 his teams won more than 7 games twice.

And from 2008-2014, it's also only been done twice.

...and the conference from 2008-2014 isn't the same as the conference from '01-'07..

I think Bower would have done more in that stretch ('08-'14) than USM got. My guess is Bower would have surpassed the win total from '08-'14 by double digits. He probably would have multiple titles within the current configuration. He'd have his statue by now.

Does any USM fan actually want to argue that Bower couldn't have done better from '08-'14? And, if he was, would that have sent USM to another conference? (Remember, the winless season came at the absolute worst time)

Do you know who hired Bower after we fired him?

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NOBODY OFFERED BOWER A JOB. DID YOUR SCHOOL HIRE HIM? WHY NOT?

I love Jeff Bower, he is a USM legend, but it was time.

(06-23-2015 09:46 AM)SApuro Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 09:30 AM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 09:11 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:10 PM)SApuro Wrote:  Good article...stopped reading at UT-San Antonio. How F'in hard is it to call us UTSA?!

What's wrong with UT-San Antonio?

Isn't that what the schools name is?

They are embarrassed with the UT-San Antonio name. One of the "suckling pigs" attached to the bigpig in Austin. UNT fans call them nUTSAk. They answer to that name just fine.

NT should call us Daddy because UTSA owns that ars.

University of Texas at El Paso=UTEP
University of Texas at San Antonio=UTSA

It's not that hard.

I'm a big fan of USM but this article came across as whining. O poor me we are terrible now because everyone "good" left. Rice has thrived in this revamped conference. USMs issues have more to do with internal matters than conference realignment.

Hard to argue with that, but I'd also point out that our athletic brand is a lot more crucial to our overall identity than Rice's is. Membership in CUSA 1.0 helped distance us from schools with similar-sounding names but more regional missions. This incarnation of CUSA does the exact opposite, and that alone is good reason to look at going indy. The message would be, "we're not Southeastern Louisiana, we're more like BYU."

(06-23-2015 12:36 PM)Noodles Wrote:  Do you know who hired Bower after we fired him?

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NOBODY OFFERED BOWER A JOB. DID YOUR SCHOOL HIRE HIM? WHY NOT?

I love Jeff Bower, he is a USM legend, but it was time.

How many coaches usually get jobs after they are fired. That's a stain on his record that USM put there.
I don't blame Bower for not being hired after that. Was he even actively pursuing jobs?
Not everybody is as lucky as Doc Sadler. In fact, if USM wouldn't have hired him, I doubt that anyone else would have (because of the stigma of having been canned)
When a coach is fired, the odds are stacked against him. He usually has to serve years as an assistant to recycle his reputation (if it can be salvaged at all).

So you get to have it both ways? Just because you've got the most irritating sig pics on the interwebz?

(06-23-2015 12:29 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:14 PM)Bleacher Eagle Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:04 PM)USMSTUD Wrote:  From 2001 to 2007 his teams won more than 7 games twice.

And from 2008-2014, it's also only been done twice.

...and the conference from 2008-2014 isn't the same as the conference from '01-'07..

I think Bower would have done more in that stretch ('08-'14) than USM got. My guess is Bower would have surpassed the win total from '08-'14 by double digits. He probably would have multiple titles within the current configuration. He'd have his statue by now.

Does any USM fan actually want to argue that Bower couldn't have done better from '08-'14? And, if he was, would that have sent USM to another conference? (Remember, the winless season came at the absolute worst time)

He wouldn't have won more games than Fedora during his four years and it wouldn't have taken much to win more than we have the past three seasons.

(06-23-2015 01:23 PM)USMSTUD Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:29 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:14 PM)Bleacher Eagle Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:04 PM)USMSTUD Wrote:  From 2001 to 2007 his teams won more than 7 games twice.

And from 2008-2014, it's also only been done twice.

...and the conference from 2008-2014 isn't the same as the conference from '01-'07..

I think Bower would have done more in that stretch ('08-'14) than USM got. My guess is Bower would have surpassed the win total from '08-'14 by double digits. He probably would have multiple titles within the current configuration. He'd have his statue by now.

Does any USM fan actually want to argue that Bower couldn't have done better from '08-'14? And, if he was, would that have sent USM to another conference? (Remember, the winless season came at the absolute worst time)

He wouldn't have won more games than Fedora during his four years and it wouldn't have taken much to win more than we have the past three seasons.

Bower went 21-12 in conference play his last four years. Fedora went 20-12. Bower was 8-0 vs UAB and Fedora went 1-3. Apples to apples bower was better

(06-23-2015 01:56 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 01:23 PM)USMSTUD Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:29 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:14 PM)Bleacher Eagle Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:04 PM)USMSTUD Wrote:  From 2001 to 2007 his teams won more than 7 games twice.

And from 2008-2014, it's also only been done twice.

...and the conference from 2008-2014 isn't the same as the conference from '01-'07..

I think Bower would have done more in that stretch ('08-'14) than USM got. My guess is Bower would have surpassed the win total from '08-'14 by double digits. He probably would have multiple titles within the current configuration. He'd have his statue by now.

Does any USM fan actually want to argue that Bower couldn't have done better from '08-'14? And, if he was, would that have sent USM to another conference? (Remember, the winless season came at the absolute worst time)

He wouldn't have won more games than Fedora during his four years and it wouldn't have taken much to win more than we have the past three seasons.

Bower went 21-12 in conference play his last four years. Fedora went 20-12. Bower was 8-0 vs UAB and Fedora went 1-3. Apples to apples bower was better

Overall Fedora was 34-19. Bower's last four years 30-21.
If you look beyond the wins and losses, Fedora's teams set records for points and yards every season he was here.

Yes, and set records for points and yards given up.

Bower made his record when the conference was it's best. Some in here will never admit we made a stupid mistake letting him go.

(06-23-2015 02:32 PM)USMSTUD Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 01:56 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 01:23 PM)USMSTUD Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:29 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:14 PM)Bleacher Eagle Wrote:  And from 2008-2014, it's also only been done twice.

...and the conference from 2008-2014 isn't the same as the conference from '01-'07..

I think Bower would have done more in that stretch ('08-'14) than USM got. My guess is Bower would have surpassed the win total from '08-'14 by double digits. He probably would have multiple titles within the current configuration. He'd have his statue by now.

Does any USM fan actually want to argue that Bower couldn't have done better from '08-'14? And, if he was, would that have sent USM to another conference? (Remember, the winless season came at the absolute worst time)

He wouldn't have won more games than Fedora during his four years and it wouldn't have taken much to win more than we have the past three seasons.

Bower went 21-12 in conference play his last four years. Fedora went 20-12. Bower was 8-0 vs UAB and Fedora went 1-3. Apples to apples bower was better

Overall Fedora was 34-19. Bower's last four years 30-21.
If you look beyond the wins and losses, Fedora's teams set records for points and yards every season he was here.

He went 1-3 against Neil fricken Callaway when UAB was on reduced scholarships with enhanced academic requirements. Bower was 8-0 vs UAB teams that had 1st and 2nd round draft picks and reduced academic requirements

As a UofL fan and founding member of C-USA, it saddens me to see USM in the state they have been in. I do believe that the Eagles can rise back up.We had some tremendous battles back then

(06-22-2015 11:10 PM)SApuro Wrote:  Good article...stopped reading at UT-San Antonio. How F'in hard is it to call us UTSA?!

http://www.utsa.edu

(06-23-2015 12:58 PM)BoKnows Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:36 PM)Noodles Wrote:  Do you know who hired Bower after we fired him?

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NOBODY OFFERED BOWER A JOB. DID YOUR SCHOOL HIRE HIM? WHY NOT?

I love Jeff Bower, he is a USM legend, but it was time.

How many coaches usually get jobs after they are fired. That's a stain on his record that USM put there.
I don't blame Bower for not being hired after that. Was he even actively pursuing jobs?
Not everybody is as lucky as Doc Sadler. In fact, if USM wouldn't have hired him, I doubt that anyone else would have (because of the stigma of having been canned)
When a coach is fired, the odds are stacked against him. He usually has to serve years as an assistant to recycle his reputation (if it can be salvaged at all).

USM hired Ricky Bustle as OC and Tommy West as DC and last I knew former UNT head coach Darrell Dickey was at Memphis. Tulane's Greg Davis is OC at Iowa and I think Scelfo is in the NFL.

That's best I can do without Google.

(06-23-2015 03:31 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Bower made his record when the conference was it's best. Some in here will never admit we made a stupid mistake letting him go.

If Bower had coached through this year, USM would be in the AAC. The implosion cost the Eagles - if that was their goal.

He would have had a record comparable to Fedora - against the version of CUSA Fedora played against.

Bower was a Gary Patterson-type coach. Lifers who just got the job done, be it by a point, or 2 points.. Good at spotting talent. Fedora was fly by night.. Got some high profile guys, like Deandre Brown, who underperformed... Meanwhile, it was the unheralded recruits like Austin Davis that kept the program going (like when Bower was there)

(06-23-2015 03:31 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Bower made his record when the conference was it's best. Some in here will never admit we made a stupid mistake letting him go.

Because most of us aren't whiny little Bower Babies. The mistake wasn't moving on from Bower. The mistake was replacing Fedora with EJ in failed attempt to return to days of Bower Ball. EJ was hired to placate the whiners who didn't like Fedora because he put gel in his hair and wanted another lifer who would coast into retirement while hanging out with the boosters at the End Zone in the off season.

(06-23-2015 12:35 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  its going on 11 years since S.miss was in the same conference as UofL and TCU IT'S TIME TO STOP CRYING OVER IT.

Also lets get another fact vs myth out....it's just as easy today for a CUSA team to make a bigtime/bcs bowl game than it was when uofl and tcu played in CUSA. Actually it's easier 11-1 uofl would have played in a major bowl today playing in CUSA WITH A RANKING OF #6 AND THE BEST THEY GOT was the Liberty Bowl in 2004

All of this crying about S.Miss big wins over Bama or who ever back 10+ years ago has no bearing on any other team in CUSA back then or today other than....SMiss.

S. Miss didn't go 0-12 or be where they are today because of who left CUSA...nope! just like the wins over "named" schools...it's all on them.

Lets get a few facts on the table since this crybaby want to put Rice, UNT and UTEP records out there

when they left CUSA

Cincy had 7 winning season over the last 20 NO RANKINGS

Memphis had 4 winning seasons out of 17 played in CUSA RANKED ONCE AT 25

HOUSTON was ranked 3 out of 17 years while playing in CUSA with 8 winning seasons...also 8 out of their last 22 years by the time they left CUSA

TULANE had 5 winning seasons out of 18 while in CUSA AND 33 OUT OF 111 TOP 25 1 TIME

ECU WINNING RECORD 28 OUT OF 51 YEARS RANKED TWICE

TCU only played 4 years in CUSA



Army 13 TOTAL WINS IN 7 SEASONS WHILE PLAYING IN cusa

So yes the landscape has changed but if it was so great as this whinny person wants us all to think and so bad now...

why did those schools want out at the first chance? At the time most of those schools played in CUSA they were better known for basketball...not football. So if he wants to whine about that I will say he has a case. But there was a good reason uofl wanted out....

11-1 got you a minor bowl game vs Boise State. Today you got a chance at a big payday with 1 loss

I love your sliding scale for stats. 20 years for one school. 17 for another, 111 for another and 51 years.

Last I looked WKU has played in only 3 bowl games in it's 100+ years of existence. Lets use simple, comparative facts.

Cinn: 16 Bowls
Memphis: 7 bowls
Houston: 21 bowls
Tulane: 12 bowls
ECU: 17 bowls

Outside of USM and Marshall you have nothing in history.

(06-23-2015 07:25 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:35 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  its going on 11 years since S.miss was in the same conference as UofL and TCU IT'S TIME TO STOP CRYING OVER IT.

Also lets get another fact vs myth out....it's just as easy today for a CUSA team to make a bigtime/bcs bowl game than it was when uofl and tcu played in CUSA. Actually it's easier 11-1 uofl would have played in a major bowl today playing in CUSA WITH A RANKING OF #6 AND THE BEST THEY GOT was the Liberty Bowl in 2004

All of this crying about S.Miss big wins over Bama or who ever back 10+ years ago has no bearing on any other team in CUSA back then or today other than....SMiss.

S. Miss didn't go 0-12 or be where they are today because of who left CUSA...nope! just like the wins over "named" schools...it's all on them.

Lets get a few facts on the table since this crybaby want to put Rice, UNT and UTEP records out there

when they left CUSA

Cincy had 7 winning season over the last 20 NO RANKINGS

Memphis had 4 winning seasons out of 17 played in CUSA RANKED ONCE AT 25

HOUSTON was ranked 3 out of 17 years while playing in CUSA with 8 winning seasons...also 8 out of their last 22 years by the time they left CUSA

TULANE had 5 winning seasons out of 18 while in CUSA AND 33 OUT OF 111 TOP 25 1 TIME

ECU WINNING RECORD 28 OUT OF 51 YEARS RANKED TWICE

TCU only played 4 years in CUSA



Army 13 TOTAL WINS IN 7 SEASONS WHILE PLAYING IN cusa

So yes the landscape has changed but if it was so great as this whinny person wants us all to think and so bad now...

why did those schools want out at the first chance? At the time most of those schools played in CUSA they were better known for basketball...not football. So if he wants to whine about that I will say he has a case. But there was a good reason uofl wanted out....

11-1 got you a minor bowl game vs Boise State. Today you got a chance at a big payday with 1 loss

I love your sliding scale for stats. 20 years for one school. 17 for another, 111 for another and 51 years.

Last I looked WKU has played in only 3 bowl games in it's 100+ years of existence. Lets use simple, comparative facts.

Cinn: 16 Bowls
Memphis: 7 bowls
Houston: 21 bowls
Tulane: 12 bowls
ECU: 17 bowls

Outside of USM and Marshall you have nothing in history.

Really? Has your school won multiple Cotton Bowls? Won an Orange Bowl? Appeared in a Sugar Bowl? Didn't think so.

Most of you are missing the point of the article. It was simply a piece to highlight the history of USM football, to outline the fall of USM football (and yes that includes being left behind in realignment), and the desire, hope, and fight it's taking to get back to the top. It outlines how the majority of the fanbase feels, regardless if you agree with it or not. If you are a USM fan, you understand it completely.

To know where you want to go, you have to know where you have been and what you have gone through. And that's exactly what the article did.

Having said that, I have no doubt USM football will be back. Who knows if it will be this year or 5 years from now. But I do know things are moving in the right direction, there is momentum behind the program. When we start winning again, the fans will come back and USM will return to it's rightful place as a football school.

(06-23-2015 07:25 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 12:35 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  its going on 11 years since S.miss was in the same conference as UofL and TCU IT'S TIME TO STOP CRYING OVER IT.

Also lets get another fact vs myth out....it's just as easy today for a CUSA team to make a bigtime/bcs bowl game than it was when uofl and tcu played in CUSA. Actually it's easier 11-1 uofl would have played in a major bowl today playing in CUSA WITH A RANKING OF #6 AND THE BEST THEY GOT was the Liberty Bowl in 2004

All of this crying about S.Miss big wins over Bama or who ever back 10+ years ago has no bearing on any other team in CUSA back then or today other than....SMiss.

S. Miss didn't go 0-12 or be where they are today because of who left CUSA...nope! just like the wins over "named" schools...it's all on them.

Lets get a few facts on the table since this crybaby want to put Rice, UNT and UTEP records out there

when they left CUSA

Cincy had 7 winning season over the last 20 NO RANKINGS

Memphis had 4 winning seasons out of 17 played in CUSA RANKED ONCE AT 25

HOUSTON was ranked 3 out of 17 years while playing in CUSA with 8 winning seasons...also 8 out of their last 22 years by the time they left CUSA

TULANE had 5 winning seasons out of 18 while in CUSA AND 33 OUT OF 111 TOP 25 1 TIME

ECU WINNING RECORD 28 OUT OF 51 YEARS RANKED TWICE

TCU only played 4 years in CUSA



Army 13 TOTAL WINS IN 7 SEASONS WHILE PLAYING IN cusa

So yes the landscape has changed but if it was so great as this whinny person wants us all to think and so bad now...

why did those schools want out at the first chance? At the time most of those schools played in CUSA they were better known for basketball...not football. So if he wants to whine about that I will say he has a case. But there was a good reason uofl wanted out....

11-1 got you a minor bowl game vs Boise State. Today you got a chance at a big payday with 1 loss

I love your sliding scale for stats. 20 years for one school. 17 for another, 111 for another and 51 years.

Last I looked WKU has played in only 3 bowl games in it's 100+ years of existence. Lets use simple, comparative facts.

Cinn: 16 Bowls
Memphis: 7 bowls
Houston: 21 bowls
Tulane: 12 bowls
ECU: 17 bowls

Outside of USM and Marshall you have nothing in history.

Southern Miss: 22 bowls
Marshall: 12 bowls
UTEP: 14 bowls
Rice:12 bowls
North Texas: 8 bowls
LA Tech: 7 bowls

Doesn't look that different to me...