(03-28-2015 03:38 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 02:39 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We've paid him about 5 million per NCAA tournament win.

We??

Yes. We.

Josh was a great hire...it's just taken a few years for him to develop.....we're in good shape.

(03-30-2015 05:23 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 03:38 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 02:39 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We've paid him about 5 million per NCAA tournament win.

We??

Yes. We.

NOT!!

(03-28-2015 03:38 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 02:39 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We've paid him about 5 million per NCAA tournament win.

We??

Yeah, if he worked for free for every other thing he did.

(05-24-2015 08:55 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 05:23 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 03:38 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 02:39 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We've paid him about 5 million per NCAA tournament win.

We??

Yes. We.

NOT!!

You're over his pay grade.

(05-24-2015 09:30 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 08:55 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 05:23 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 03:38 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 02:39 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We've paid him about 5 million per NCAA tournament win.

We??

Yes. We.

NOT!!

You're over his pay grade.

Watch what happens when enough piddly lower bowl donors such as me stop contributing and force those who "pay his salary" to start having to pony up more to keep the TSF afloat at its current level. Every dollar collected in donations enable some boosters to overpay our current basketball coach.

(03-30-2015 05:23 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 03:38 PM)memphistiger001 Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 02:39 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We've paid him about 5 million per NCAA tournament win.

We??

Yes. We.

Oh, we've paid all right

A few points and rebuttals:
1 Josh receives top 10 pay- His recruiting class rankings , graduation rates, and POSSIBLY his overall W-L record are the only accomplishments during the Josh era that correlates with this type of pay
2 Blaming the "idiots" who paid his salary is not wise. Do not bite the hand that feeds you. These boosters are feeding and supporting our passion for high quality Tiger Bball.
3 I understand the point made about how high the bar was set by that 3-4 year run that was immediately before Josh's season. And, it is not fair to have that type of success as the average season expectation by tiger nation. But, his big salary plays a valid role in these expectations. It is the double edged sword for Josh. It is a valid point that post season success has not come close to elite level while his salary is elite level.
Well, I am usually regarded as more of a sunshine pumper or josh supporter.
So, this is not surprising that I support Josh as long as he is the Tiger HC. I hope he/ the Tigers have great success this yr. IMHO, it would be horrible for Josh to have a great season and then leave for another job. In that scenario, I would rather he stay and we build on that type of success.

(05-25-2015 07:46 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  A few points and rebuttals:
1 Josh receives top 10 pay- His recruiting class rankings , graduation rates, and POSSIBLY his overall W-L record are the only accomplishments during the Josh era that correlates with this type of pay
2 Blaming the "idiots" who paid his salary is not wise. Do not bite the hand that feeds you. These boosters are feeding and supporting our passion for high quality Tiger Bball.
3 I understand the point made about how high the bar was set by that 3-4 year run that was immediately before Josh's season. And, it is not fair to have that type of success as the average season expectation by tiger nation. But, his big salary plays a valid role in these expectations. It is the double edged sword for Josh. It is a valid point that post season success has not come close to elite level while his salary is elite level.
Well, I am usually regarded as more of a sunshine pumper or josh supporter.
So, this is not surprising that I support Josh as long as he is the Tiger HC. I hope he/ the Tigers have great success this yr. IMHO, it would be horrible for Josh to have a great season and then leave for another job. In that scenario, I would rather he stay and we build on that type of success.

The bottom line is that aside from Cal, in the last 60 years we have never hired a coached who was established and successful somewhere else. The closest we came would be with Vanatta who had been to the Elite 8. Between them, Bartow and Kirk had 2 post season wins in 12 seasons before coming to Memphis, Finch, Yates, and Pastner had no experience and, Tic Price was Tic Price.


We lucked out with Cal, but even he was damaged goods. There is no way anyone can fault the boosters for paying Pastner based on his early success, and because of how it has been close to impossible for us to hire anyone with an NCAA track record.

(05-25-2015 09:41 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 07:46 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  A few points and rebuttals:
1 Josh receives top 10 pay- His recruiting class rankings , graduation rates, and POSSIBLY his overall W-L record are the only accomplishments during the Josh era that correlates with this type of pay
2 Blaming the "idiots" who paid his salary is not wise. Do not bite the hand that feeds you. These boosters are feeding and supporting our passion for high quality Tiger Bball.
3 I understand the point made about how high the bar was set by that 3-4 year run that was immediately before Josh's season. And, it is not fair to have that type of success as the average season expectation by tiger nation. But, his big salary plays a valid role in these expectations. It is the double edged sword for Josh. It is a valid point that post season success has not come close to elite level while his salary is elite level.
Well, I am usually regarded as more of a sunshine pumper or josh supporter.
So, this is not surprising that I support Josh as long as he is the Tiger HC. I hope he/ the Tigers have great success this yr. IMHO, it would be horrible for Josh to have a great season and then leave for another job. In that scenario, I would rather he stay and we build on that type of success.

The bottom line is that aside from Cal, in the last 60 years we have never hired a coached who was established and successful somewhere else. The closest we came would be with Vanatta who had been to the Elite 8. Between them, Bartow and Kirk had 2 post season wins in 12 seasons before coming to Memphis, Finch, Yates, and Pastner had no experience and, Tic Price was Tic Price.


We lucked out with Cal, but even he was damaged goods. There is no way anyone can fault the boosters for paying Pastner based on his early success, and because of how it has been close to impossible for us to hire anyone with an NCAA track record.

You make some good points.
Am I correct in stating that Moe Iba was top asst coach on national champ team and we hired him as HC? He had lousy/ mediocre stint with us but went on to have a long ,decent career as NCAA HC. Is that right?

Yates was top asst on Tiger National runner up team. We hired him as HC when Bartow left. He had decent success with Tigers ( harder to win 20 games in one season at that time). He went on to have decent NCAA career elsewhere.

Am i in the right ball park about Yates and Iba? I will google them after i post this Lol. I am not arguing with ya stammers. I am just pointing out a few things about these two Tiger HCs.

(05-25-2015 10:13 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 09:41 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 07:46 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  A few points and rebuttals:
1 Josh receives top 10 pay- His recruiting class rankings , graduation rates, and POSSIBLY his overall W-L record are the only accomplishments during the Josh era that correlates with this type of pay
2 Blaming the "idiots" who paid his salary is not wise. Do not bite the hand that feeds you. These boosters are feeding and supporting our passion for high quality Tiger Bball.
3 I understand the point made about how high the bar was set by that 3-4 year run that was immediately before Josh's season. And, it is not fair to have that type of success as the average season expectation by tiger nation. But, his big salary plays a valid role in these expectations. It is the double edged sword for Josh. It is a valid point that post season success has not come close to elite level while his salary is elite level.
Well, I am usually regarded as more of a sunshine pumper or josh supporter.
So, this is not surprising that I support Josh as long as he is the Tiger HC. I hope he/ the Tigers have great success this yr. IMHO, it would be horrible for Josh to have a great season and then leave for another job. In that scenario, I would rather he stay and we build on that type of success.

The bottom line is that aside from Cal, in the last 60 years we have never hired a coached who was established and successful somewhere else. The closest we came would be with Vanatta who had been to the Elite 8. Between them, Bartow and Kirk had 2 post season wins in 12 seasons before coming to Memphis, Finch, Yates, and Pastner had no experience and, Tic Price was Tic Price.


We lucked out with Cal, but even he was damaged goods. There is no way anyone can fault the boosters for paying Pastner based on his early success, and because of how it has been close to impossible for us to hire anyone with an NCAA track record.

You make some good points.
Am I correct in stating that Moe Iba was top asst coach on national champ team and we hired him as HC? He had lousy/ mediocre stint with us but went on to have a long ,decent career as NCAA HC. Is that right?

Yates was top asst on Tiger National runner up team. We hired him as HC when Bartow left. He had decent success with Tigers ( harder to win 20 games in one season at that time). He went on to have decent NCAA career elsewhere.

Am i in the right ball park about Yates and Iba? I will google them after i post this Lol. I am not arguing with ya stammers. I am just pointing out a few things about these two Tiger HCs.

You probably are. I am at work and did a quick search on the Wiki page. I was looking at it purely from the standpoint of hiring a coach who had a good track record as a head coach elsewhere.

Getting a coach with Cal's credentials was likely a once in a lifetime opportunity, that only happened because all of the following criteria were met...

1. Coming off of sanctions
2. Tarnished image
3. Recent failure
4. No other good jobs opening up.

The coaches that meet most of the above would be Bruce Pearl, Kelvin Sampson, Larry Eustachy and Tim Floyd. They would seem to be reasonable gets if we do replace Pastner. One coach who only meets 1 of the criteria would be Scott Drew; but his reputation is so crappy, that to my knowledge he hasn't had any decent offers his entire time at Baylor.

I'm not saying that we can't hire someone good, but hiring someone with good credentials will be somewhat of a longshot.

(05-25-2015 10:13 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 09:41 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 07:46 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  A few points and rebuttals:
1 Josh receives top 10 pay- His recruiting class rankings , graduation rates, and POSSIBLY his overall W-L record are the only accomplishments during the Josh era that correlates with this type of pay
2 Blaming the "idiots" who paid his salary is not wise. Do not bite the hand that feeds you. These boosters are feeding and supporting our passion for high quality Tiger Bball.
3 I understand the point made about how high the bar was set by that 3-4 year run that was immediately before Josh's season. And, it is not fair to have that type of success as the average season expectation by tiger nation. But, his big salary plays a valid role in these expectations. It is the double edged sword for Josh. It is a valid point that post season success has not come close to elite level while his salary is elite level.
Well, I am usually regarded as more of a sunshine pumper or josh supporter.
So, this is not surprising that I support Josh as long as he is the Tiger HC. I hope he/ the Tigers have great success this yr. IMHO, it would be horrible for Josh to have a great season and then leave for another job. In that scenario, I would rather he stay and we build on that type of success.

The bottom line is that aside from Cal, in the last 60 years we have never hired a coached who was established and successful somewhere else. The closest we came would be with Vanatta who had been to the Elite 8. Between them, Bartow and Kirk had 2 post season wins in 12 seasons before coming to Memphis, Finch, Yates, and Pastner had no experience and, Tic Price was Tic Price.


We lucked out with Cal, but even he was damaged goods. There is no way anyone can fault the boosters for paying Pastner based on his early success, and because of how it has been close to impossible for us to hire anyone with an NCAA track record.

You make some good points.
Am I correct in stating that Moe Iba was top asst coach on national champ team and we hired him as HC? He had lousy/ mediocre stint with us but went on to have a long ,decent career as NCAA HC. Is that right?

Yates was top asst on Tiger National runner up team. We hired him as HC when Bartow left. He had decent success with Tigers ( harder to win 20 games in one season at that time). He went on to have decent NCAA career elsewhere.

Am i in the right ball park about Yates and Iba? I will google them after i post this Lol. I am not arguing with ya stammers. I am just pointing out a few things about these two Tiger HCs.

Yates- 1980/85 38/92 at Northwestern
Iba- Nebraska 1986/94 106/71
Texas Christian 1987/94 96/108

(05-25-2015 11:26 AM)2tigers Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 10:13 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 09:41 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 07:46 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  A few points and rebuttals:
1 Josh receives top 10 pay- His recruiting class rankings , graduation rates, and POSSIBLY his overall W-L record are the only accomplishments during the Josh era that correlates with this type of pay
2 Blaming the "idiots" who paid his salary is not wise. Do not bite the hand that feeds you. These boosters are feeding and supporting our passion for high quality Tiger Bball.
3 I understand the point made about how high the bar was set by that 3-4 year run that was immediately before Josh's season. And, it is not fair to have that type of success as the average season expectation by tiger nation. But, his big salary plays a valid role in these expectations. It is the double edged sword for Josh. It is a valid point that post season success has not come close to elite level while his salary is elite level.
Well, I am usually regarded as more of a sunshine pumper or josh supporter.
So, this is not surprising that I support Josh as long as he is the Tiger HC. I hope he/ the Tigers have great success this yr. IMHO, it would be horrible for Josh to have a great season and then leave for another job. In that scenario, I would rather he stay and we build on that type of success.

The bottom line is that aside from Cal, in the last 60 years we have never hired a coached who was established and successful somewhere else. The closest we came would be with Vanatta who had been to the Elite 8. Between them, Bartow and Kirk had 2 post season wins in 12 seasons before coming to Memphis, Finch, Yates, and Pastner had no experience and, Tic Price was Tic Price.


We lucked out with Cal, but even he was damaged goods. There is no way anyone can fault the boosters for paying Pastner based on his early success, and because of how it has been close to impossible for us to hire anyone with an NCAA track record.

You make some good points.
Am I correct in stating that Moe Iba was top asst coach on national champ team and we hired him as HC? He had lousy/ mediocre stint with us but went on to have a long ,decent career as NCAA HC. Is that right?

Yates was top asst on Tiger National runner up team. We hired him as HC when Bartow left. He had decent success with Tigers ( harder to win 20 games in one season at that time). He went on to have decent NCAA career elsewhere.

Am i in the right ball park about Yates and Iba? I will google them after i post this Lol. I am not arguing with ya stammers. I am just pointing out a few things about these two Tiger HCs.

Yates- 1980/85 38/92 at Northwestern
Iba- Nebraska 1986/94 106/71
Texas Christian 1987/94 96/108

So it looks like aside from Cal and Bartow, that none of our coaches had any success anywhere else after they left Memphis. Kind of remarkable that since 1957, most of our coaches (Elhers, Iba, Kirk, Finch, Price) never worked anywhere after leaving Memphis, and others (Yates, Vanatta) never made the postseason after they left Memphis.

This goes back 60 years. I guess after Cal and Bartow, the big success story is Johnny Jones, with 1 NCAA win in 15 years as a head coach.

Johnny Jones has done well for himself...now coaching his SEC alma mater

(05-25-2015 12:11 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 11:26 AM)2tigers Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 10:13 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 09:41 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 07:46 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  A few points and rebuttals:
1 Josh receives top 10 pay- His recruiting class rankings , graduation rates, and POSSIBLY his overall W-L record are the only accomplishments during the Josh era that correlates with this type of pay
2 Blaming the "idiots" who paid his salary is not wise. Do not bite the hand that feeds you. These boosters are feeding and supporting our passion for high quality Tiger Bball.
3 I understand the point made about how high the bar was set by that 3-4 year run that was immediately before Josh's season. And, it is not fair to have that type of success as the average season expectation by tiger nation. But, his big salary plays a valid role in these expectations. It is the double edged sword for Josh. It is a valid point that post season success has not come close to elite level while his salary is elite level.
Well, I am usually regarded as more of a sunshine pumper or josh supporter.
So, this is not surprising that I support Josh as long as he is the Tiger HC. I hope he/ the Tigers have great success this yr. IMHO, it would be horrible for Josh to have a great season and then leave for another job. In that scenario, I would rather he stay and we build on that type of success.

The bottom line is that aside from Cal, in the last 60 years we have never hired a coached who was established and successful somewhere else. The closest we came would be with Vanatta who had been to the Elite 8. Between them, Bartow and Kirk had 2 post season wins in 12 seasons before coming to Memphis, Finch, Yates, and Pastner had no experience and, Tic Price was Tic Price.


We lucked out with Cal, but even he was damaged goods. There is no way anyone can fault the boosters for paying Pastner based on his early success, and because of how it has been close to impossible for us to hire anyone with an NCAA track record.

You make some good points.
Am I correct in stating that Moe Iba was top asst coach on national champ team and we hired him as HC? He had lousy/ mediocre stint with us but went on to have a long ,decent career as NCAA HC. Is that right?

Yates was top asst on Tiger National runner up team. We hired him as HC when Bartow left. He had decent success with Tigers ( harder to win 20 games in one season at that time). He went on to have decent NCAA career elsewhere.

Am i in the right ball park about Yates and Iba? I will google them after i post this Lol. I am not arguing with ya stammers. I am just pointing out a few things about these two Tiger HCs.

Yates- 1980/85 38/92 at Northwestern
Iba- Nebraska 1986/94 106/71
Texas Christian 1987/94 96/108

So it looks like aside from Cal and Bartow, that none of our coaches had any success anywhere else after they left Memphis. Kind of remarkable that since 1957, most of our coaches (Elhers, Iba, Kirk, Finch, Price) never worked anywhere after leaving Memphis, and others (Yates, Vanatta) never made the postseason after they left Memphis.

This goes back 60 years. I guess after Cal and Bartow, the big success story is Johnny Jones, with 1 NCAA win in 15 years as a head coach.

I showed Iba's record at Nebraska and Texas Christian and Price has coached at McNeese and Lamar from 2001/2005 and his recorded is 90/70. Only Lamar for 2 seasons.

Remember the golden rule....."The man with the gold...sets the rules." On the other hand...."Message board posters who have no gold....set no rules."

(05-25-2015 01:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 12:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Johnny Jones has done well for himself...now coaching his SEC alma mater

Last year he got his first NCAA win in his 15th year as a head coach.

He had been coaching the basketball black hole that was/is UNT hoops...just getting them to the NCAAs a couple of times, and having 5 straight 20+ win seasons got him the LSU job...plus his recruiting, experience, and ties to the school.

He has a solid team this upcoming season.

you guys need a new hobby

(05-25-2015 03:12 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 01:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 12:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Johnny Jones has done well for himself...now coaching his SEC alma mater

Last year he got his first NCAA win in his 15th year as a head coach.

He had been coaching the basketball black hole that was/is UNT hoops...just getting them to the NCAAs a couple of times, and having 5 straight 20+ win seasons got him the LSU job...plus his recruiting, experience, and ties to the school.

He has a solid team this upcoming season.

He recruited Shaq O'Neal to LSU and is one of his best friends. Shaq has helped him in recruiting. I wish he had gotten the Memphis job but our fans would have wanted him fired by his 4th year. Instead we got Cal and a vacated season. Plus his #1 recruit (Rose) hasn't given one cent to the program.

(03-28-2015 03:17 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  I don't blame Pastner. I blame the idiots who would pay a man so much for such unfullfilled potential.

yep yep