Quote:As I said, social democrat is basically a combination of socialism and fascism. From fascism it takes the concept of private ownership but government control of property and the means of production.
I'm talking social democrats as they exist now, which are wholly capitalistic except for healthcare and the like. If you want to claim that's government control of property and means of production, feel free, but you're being wholesale disingenuous and you'd know it.
Quote: So you are basically agreeing with me.
Not at all, actually pretty much wholesale disagree with you at this point.
Quote:One consequence of those elections of which you speak is that many of those social democracies are starting to move back to the right. I haven't seen Michelle advocating any moves back to the right.
Which are both still far left of the US, and what you would consider socialist. So, wholly irrelevant.
Quote:Where has she ever advocated FOR private ownership of property? She has certainly advocated for extreme levels of government control, and in particularly control at the national rather than local level. If she does advocate private ownership, she would clearly be doing so in the fascist way. Would you be happier if I called her a fascist?
You mean, besides privately owning property? Seems pretty obvious to someone who doesn't have an irrational dislike of her. But I'd love to see you cite every other first lady specifically advocating for private ownership of property, because then you'd have a legitimate gripe. For some reason, I don't think you've done that legwork already, though.
Quote:I'm not really aware of her speaking out on any issue where there is a significant difference between social democrats and socialists/communists. Where the three agree, she has consistently taken a position compatible with all three. She has consistently pushed hard left on every issue of which I'm aware. If you are aware of any issue where she has not done so, what is it?
Off what she has said and done to date, she could be a social democrat, she could be a socialist, she could be a communist. Her stated positions could support any of the three. She has not publicly stated the affection for Marxists that her husband has, but she has not disavowed it either.
If you always push hard left, you eventually end up at socialism or communism. Where has she not pushed hard left?
Owl, you're better than this. You're inferring her beliefs because she's left
of you, and are clearly filling in any gaps you have, which are very larger, with whatever you seem fit. Show me her advocating against the private ownership of property and means of production, or you should admit you spoke in hyperbole when you called her communist. You're not ERC or UConn, you usually keep hyperbole out of it.
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