(04-20-2015 11:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  With the B1G, PAC, ACC and SEC all having championship games you pretty much already have an 8-10 team playoff in place with a weak conference champ running the risk of getting bumped for a strong at-large.

If there was some consolidation to a G4/P4 and then creating a 8 CFP bowl system

B1G (Rose)
PAC (Rose)
ACC (Orange)
SEC (Orange)

MWC (Fiesta)
AAC (Citrus)
CUSA (Sugar)
MAC (Peach)

Cotton/Holiday at-larges

If there was a Top 4 team/best 4 playoff and every conference had a contract with one of the major bowls that would help from a fairness perspective with the G4 champ getting a crack at the P4 #2/#3 school with its champ.

I think the MAC should get the Citrus bowl since isn't that the successor to the Tangerine Bowl which is a former MAC bowl?

(04-20-2015 09:04 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  Their revenue concerns have some merit, but its not only them falling behind.

They're whiny, uninformed gas bags on that one, too. They left better money at the table with the Big XII and probably didn't bother with the SEC. Barron took control of that situation, stuck a relative number HE thought other conferences had to approach, and then unleashed Swofford and his flim-flam onto the doubters. FSU doesn't have a right to b****. What they were sold, it was never going to be as much as others were enjoying.

Barron made a move for the institution, not the sports. If his wasn't a good bet, it wasn't like it was done in a silo.

The ACC's not going anywhere and it's not losing anyone. ESPN's going to see to that. Move along, folks. There's nothing to see here...

(04-21-2015 07:02 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  The ACC's not going anywhere and it's not losing anyone. ESPN's going to see to that. Move along, folks. There's nothing to see here...

Really does it even matter from a Louisville stand point...I will say the same for WVU, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Wake Forest...etc...etc...we are and will be for the long foreseeable future members of the "Big Boy" Club...we are above the Mandoza Line...it is what it is...

(04-20-2015 10:01 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 09:22 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So the PAC commissioner says no CFP expansion unless auto bid are part and now ACC wants auto bids. Sounds like the beginning of the momentum to 8. Not related to money, but guaranteed spot in the playoffs.

Yup...a couple more years it will be 8...Deregulation coming with Conferences...5 Automatic Bids and 3 At Large to "satisfy the G5" even though they have no shot at a playoff but more importantly would not leave a undefeated ND out of the Playoffs and would allow for a 2nd SEC, B1G, ACC, Big XII or Pac 12 school...

As a G5 fan, I don't think I have a problem with the P5 getting auto bids. The best G5 champ still gets a guaranteed spot for a major bowl at a minimum even if now that bowl is now not as glamorous as it was with 4 teams in the CFP. It is still a much better bowl than say what the MW has for its top team. It'll also allow a G5 school to make it to the playoff spot easier.

What I would like is to have the best G5 champ get an auto-bid to the CFP also, but I don't think it'll happen, so I would like to have that if a G5 champ that doesn't get an at-large bid but is ranked higher than a P5 auto-bid champ, they get a spot in the playoff automatically.

I think, though that if they do expand to 8, they may still leave it at 12 regular season games so the bowls still have P5 6-6 schools. But, I would actually prefer that they drop 1 regular season game.

I guess we'll just see how all this shakes out. Getting auto bids will put a stop to the Big12 needing to expand and if they do, having an auto-bid will ease their past issues of the higher ranked team getting knocked out from the CCG. Actually, I do wonder with the auto bid, if they will just add 2 teams and have a CCG again.

(04-20-2015 07:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 07:20 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 06:52 PM)BE4neva Wrote:  1- it's funny to watch ACC fans talk so much noise 24/7 and then every once in a while a sobering article or thread appears where the truth is talked about. The network is a unicorn and the league is weak. You can't have multiple schools at the bottom of your league that both stink on the field and in fan base/brand size. You can have one school like that or several with one of those issues. But not a combo of both for prolonged periods of time. Wake, BC, Cuse are never going to help the league with a network or a playoff invite. Even in good years on the field the base/brand are not enough. It's that simple.

2- when the CFP expands, it won't. It will actually be the power 4 conferences(b12 or ACC lives...) who decide that the berth to that should be settled by there conference ship game.

So imagine this. In order to be eligible for the CFP you need to have at least 16 schools in your conference and can have as many as 20. Pods are a internet unicorn but large geographic divisions are a winner. Each division winner gets a birth to its conference ship game. Winner goes to the CFP. So now, every regular season conference game means something to get that bid. OOC means less towards rankings but more towards how the ultimate winner of each conference getting seeded 1-4 for the CFP.

So you dont think that Syracuse, who absolutely dominates Upstate NY for College fb and bb, will not be able to help an Acc Network in NYS? There are at least 7 million sets of eyeballs in Upstate NY, and Syracuse by far is the favorite team, and has a good following in NYC. And since you are grouping SU with small privates, you should know that Syracuse is a very large private university that is as large or larger than some state schools and flagships, and is twice as large as BC and Wake, put together.

Syracuse is not a state school, but with the fans and media attention it gets in NYS, it may as well be. The state wants SU to continue to be an economic driver, which is why it was willing to give the university $250 million to build a new Dome. Most private schools don't receive this kind of support from its State.

The question is could they survive in the ACC? I am looking at the FCOA for the ACC and their tv contract? I see some of them may not survive in the ACC. What that Notre Dame article said about all this that there could be a group of privates that could band together and formed a conference for survival. What would you think about this new all sports conference?

West:
Notre Dame
Tulsa
Rice
SMU
Tulane
Northwestern

East:
Miami, Florida
Boston College
Temple
Vanderbilt
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest

As I am seeing this, the Big 12 looks more stable than the ACC because of the FCOA issues. Could Syracuse stay in the ACC and be able to keep up? They might be able to, but the others who are small may not no matter the tv contracts are.

Temple is not a private school. It is a state school run the same way Penn State and Pitt are run.

(04-20-2015 11:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  With the B1G, PAC, ACC and SEC all having championship games you pretty much already have an 8-10 team playoff in place with a weak conference champ running the risk of getting bumped for a strong at-large.

If there was some consolidation to a G4/P4 and then creating a 8 CFP bowl system

B1G (Rose)
PAC (Rose)
ACC (Orange)
SEC (Orange)

MWC (Fiesta)
AAC (Citrus)
CUSA (Sugar)
MAC (Peach)

Cotton/Holiday at-larges

If there was a Top 4 team/best 4 playoff and every conference had a contract with one of the major bowls that would help from a fairness perspective with the G4 champ getting a crack at the P4 #2/#3 school with its champ.

G5 won't get anywhere near the above. Most they could hope for would be a shared guarantee in 8 team play off. and that is not very likely.

(04-20-2015 07:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 07:20 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 06:52 PM)BE4neva Wrote:  1- it's funny to watch ACC fans talk so much noise 24/7 and then every once in a while a sobering article or thread appears where the truth is talked about. The network is a unicorn and the league is weak. You can't have multiple schools at the bottom of your league that both stink on the field and in fan base/brand size. You can have one school like that or several with one of those issues. But not a combo of both for prolonged periods of time. Wake, BC, Cuse are never going to help the league with a network or a playoff invite. Even in good years on the field the base/brand are not enough. It's that simple.

2- when the CFP expands, it won't. It will actually be the power 4 conferences(b12 or ACC lives...) who decide that the berth to that should be settled by there conference ship game.

So imagine this. In order to be eligible for the CFP you need to have at least 16 schools in your conference and can have as many as 20. Pods are a internet unicorn but large geographic divisions are a winner. Each division winner gets a birth to its conference ship game. Winner goes to the CFP. So now, every regular season conference game means something to get that bid. OOC means less towards rankings but more towards how the ultimate winner of each conference getting seeded 1-4 for the CFP.

So you dont think that Syracuse, who absolutely dominates Upstate NY for College fb and bb, will not be able to help an Acc Network in NYS? There are at least 7 million sets of eyeballs in Upstate NY, and Syracuse by far is the favorite team, and has a good following in NYC. And since you are grouping SU with small privates, you should know that Syracuse is a very large private university that is as large or larger than some state schools and flagships, and is twice as large as BC and Wake, put together.

Syracuse is not a state school, but with the fans and media attention it gets in NYS, it may as well be. The state wants SU to continue to be an economic driver, which is why it was willing to give the university $250 million to build a new Dome. Most private schools don't receive this kind of support from its State.

The question is could they survive in the ACC? I am looking at the FCOA for the ACC and their tv contract? I see some of them may not survive in the ACC. What that Notre Dame article said about all this that there could be a group of privates that could band together and formed a conference for survival. What would you think about this new all sports conference?

West:
Notre Dame
Tulsa
Rice
SMU
Tulane
Northwestern

East:
Miami, Florida
Boston College
Temple
Vanderbilt
Syracuse
Duke
Wake Forest

As I am seeing this, the Big 12 looks more stable than the ACC because of the FCOA issues. Could Syracuse stay in the ACC and be able to keep up? They might be able to, but the others who are small may not no matter the tv contracts are.

You see the guy sitting under the Statue of Liberty Banner about 120 yards from midcourt...yeah that person paid about $40 for that ticket...I think Cuse is doing fine. 25k x 19 games equals about 70,000 for 7 games...then throw in FB at 40k for 7 games...

(04-21-2015 09:04 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 11:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  With the B1G, PAC, ACC and SEC all having championship games you pretty much already have an 8-10 team playoff in place with a weak conference champ running the risk of getting bumped for a strong at-large.

If there was some consolidation to a G4/P4 and then creating a 8 CFP bowl system

B1G (Rose)
PAC (Rose)
ACC (Orange)
SEC (Orange)

MWC (Fiesta)
AAC (Citrus)
CUSA (Sugar)
MAC (Peach)

Cotton/Holiday at-larges

If there was a Top 4 team/best 4 playoff and every conference had a contract with one of the major bowls that would help from a fairness perspective with the G4 champ getting a crack at the P4 #2/#3 school with its champ.

G5 won't get anywhere near the above. Most they could hope for would be a shared guarantee in 8 team play off. and that is not very likely.

Shaking head yes...the best the G5 would get is one slot in an 8 team playoff.

(04-20-2015 08:17 PM)Groo Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 08:03 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 06:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Even TCU could beat Florida State. The issue was that Florida State almost lost to 2 teams who were almost upset by Georgia Southern.

ALMOST.

Here's what DID happen: TCU lost to a team that lost to UCF in the 2014 Fiesta Bowl.

SMACK FAIL.

TCU would have kicked the sh!t out of FSU this past year.

maybe, maybe not.....that's why they play the games

TCU beat an uninspired Ole Miss team with BO WALLACE at QB....

(04-21-2015 09:36 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 09:04 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 11:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  With the B1G, PAC, ACC and SEC all having championship games you pretty much already have an 8-10 team playoff in place with a weak conference champ running the risk of getting bumped for a strong at-large.

If there was some consolidation to a G4/P4 and then creating a 8 CFP bowl system

B1G (Rose)
PAC (Rose)
ACC (Orange)
SEC (Orange)

MWC (Fiesta)
AAC (Citrus)
CUSA (Sugar)
MAC (Peach)

Cotton/Holiday at-larges

If there was a Top 4 team/best 4 playoff and every conference had a contract with one of the major bowls that would help from a fairness perspective with the G4 champ getting a crack at the P4 #2/#3 school with its champ.

G5 won't get anywhere near the above. Most they could hope for would be a shared guarantee in 8 team play off. and that is not very likely.

Shaking head yes...the best the G5 would get is one slot in an 8 team playoff.

Which is plenty.

(04-20-2015 09:18 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 08:43 PM)BE4neva Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 08:30 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 08:19 PM)BE4neva Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 08:12 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Let me put it this way. When Syracuse joined the ACC, the ACC immediately was able to get a deal with MSG Network and the YES Network. The Acc never had any deals with those 2 networks before. The Syracuse brand is a much more powerful brand than you give it credit for.

Being a friar I remember the YES did the deal and also part of it was getting a small amount of big east bball games as well. They were desperate looking for live content. But the YESN was already on basic. That is simply the ACC getting into the neighborhood, someone has to carry product and SNY was UConn first. The YES didn't use Cuse to get on basic cable in a area they couldn't before hand. They were just looking for content. The rate didn't change. It's just how the ACC operates locally becuase they don't have a actual tv channel. In the Boston area the ACC has a deal or atleast did years ago with NESN. Same thing.

Also, MSG has PAC and B12 contracts also. Those networks are just desperate for live content. They are pro sport focused for games so offseason and off peak times need programming. So congrats, Washington State got on MSG without a ACC invite but it took Cuse who is in the same state as MSG a invite to the ACC to get noticed. How's that? My point isn't to be a di ck. it's to simply show you why people laugh when Cuse and ACC fans pump chest. There's a reason...

None of that matters. What matters is that the Acc got a deal with those networks right after SU joined. You can rationalize as much as you want, but that doesnt change the fact that it happened. Nobodys pumping any chests. Just showing you how you are wrong about SU. You know when a Uconn fan tells you you are wrong in your negativity about Cuse, that you are TRULY WRONG!

I don't think you understand how TV works. The ACC did a deal with WTAE which is a Pitt TV channel once they moved to the ACC also. The ACC was simply getting games on locally. Otherwise, besides national ESPN games Pitt would not have been on TV. Same thing. This isn't hard. But I get that you don't understand. The only Cuse grads that understand TV imediately go to Work for ESPN so that they can rig the industry to keep Cuse and it's never grown to levels it should have fan base.

Look, Your a Providence fan. I can understand why you hate/envy SU.
But this is what you said:

"Wake, BC, Cuse are never going to help the league with a network or a playoff invite."


As far as tv goes, I once had a Time Warner advertising rep tell me that when SU games are on it gets the highest ratings on tv during that time slot from Albany to Buffalo. Granted that was about 10 years ago, but I dont think much has changed. Regarding MSG and YES, it is what it is.

Many SU regional games that were on Time Warner Sports and SNY, when SU was in the BE are now shared between YES and MSG. The ACC doesnt have a deal with Time Warner or SNY. But they sure were able to quickly get a deal with MSG and YES, so that SU fans could still see their team play. This was no coincidence. MSG and YES didnt just suddenly need programming and decided to go with the ACC. This is an actual deal to show Acc games every week. Not every once in a while like some other teams.

I and others have given you reasons as to why you were wrong. Its ok to admit that you didnt know that SU was such a large private school. Its OK. Just admit you were dead wrong and move on. Now Im done with you and your hate for the Cuse.

Why didn't you ask him why their biggest game of the year featured a team in Orange (or Platinum or whatever...lol)...Cuse fans would invade the Dunk to give Providence their only sellout of the year.

(04-21-2015 07:02 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  The ACC's not going anywhere and it's not losing anyone. ESPN's going to see to that. Move along, folks. There's nothing to see here...

I was going to say ACC's lawyers will see to it that nobody leaves. Even if FSU thought they had some semblance of a case against what they signed themselves into, the ACC won't let them go cheap. At some point, when it gets into the tens of millions of dollars, it just can't be worth it, unless whoever is going to take on the Seminoles isn't subsidizing the heck out of them. And that's just unlikely.

I was all-out for an 8 team playoff before last season....

I don't think its going to happen now. I think the postseason structure they have in place right now is wildly successful. If anything, it will only go to 6 with two add-in games

As for the ACC, they need to get into Texas....

No system is going to be perfect. As far as I'm concerned, four is enough. As for issues with being undefeated vs. losing a game and backing into the CFP (like Ohio State did last year), like I said no system is perfect. I say stay with four.

As for Swofford's comments, what exactly is he supposed to say? Swofford, more than any conference commissioner, keeps his plans under wrap until they are finished. He's not going to say anything about a network until all the work is done.

I guess, in some twisted way, all this interview did was give the WVU Jihadists ammunition for their twisted war against The ACC. It's good for off season entertainment but not much else.
CJ

What I think SHOULD happen:

8 team playoff with no AQ for anyone. That's equal access for all who deserve it and adds some March Madness flavor without going nuts on teams that clearly don't deserve to be there but are included for Cinderella drama.

What I think WILL happen

8 team playoff with AQ for the P5 and 3 AL spots

(04-21-2015 07:02 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  The ACC's not going anywhere and it's not losing anyone. ESPN's going to see to that. Move along, folks. There's nothing to see here...

The issue is that the ACC tv network deal is not very good for that many schools, and second, the small privates in the P5 conferences will be falling behind the ones that can afford the FCoA. They do not have the resources to compete when the FCoA kicks in.

(04-20-2015 06:52 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Disagree about money on the table. There is money on the table for the short term, but adding a playoff round will take money away from the regular season. You don't get an expanded playoff without automatic bids for the power 5 and that will remove a lot of drama from the regular season, especially in September and October. That will filter down into reduced regular season contracts eventually and over the long term, I think that will be a bigger deal than the money from an extra round.

As for the ACC. Bias wasn't the problem this year. The problem was Florida State had a ton of issues that everyone could see and was only where it was because it was undefeated. You take the 2013 Florida State team and they don't have the same issues at all.

I have never understood this argument. Why would anyone wish to see more meaningful games in Sept. and Oct. rather than Dec. and Jan.? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Also, if this theory were true, then why doesn't it work that way for the NFL? Their Sept. and Oct. games are very highly rated despite the fact they "ruin" it all with playoff games later in the season.

I think that theory is a major stretch really to the point of being completely nonsensical.

(04-21-2015 09:42 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 09:18 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 08:43 PM)BE4neva Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 08:30 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 08:19 PM)BE4neva Wrote:  Being a friar I remember the YES did the deal and also part of it was getting a small amount of big east bball games as well. They were desperate looking for live content. But the YESN was already on basic. That is simply the ACC getting into the neighborhood, someone has to carry product and SNY was UConn first. The YES didn't use Cuse to get on basic cable in a area they couldn't before hand. They were just looking for content. The rate didn't change. It's just how the ACC operates locally becuase they don't have a actual tv channel. In the Boston area the ACC has a deal or atleast did years ago with NESN. Same thing.

Also, MSG has PAC and B12 contracts also. Those networks are just desperate for live content. They are pro sport focused for games so offseason and off peak times need programming. So congrats, Washington State got on MSG without a ACC invite but it took Cuse who is in the same state as MSG a invite to the ACC to get noticed. How's that? My point isn't to be a di ck. it's to simply show you why people laugh when Cuse and ACC fans pump chest. There's a reason...

None of that matters. What matters is that the Acc got a deal with those networks right after SU joined. You can rationalize as much as you want, but that doesnt change the fact that it happened. Nobodys pumping any chests. Just showing you how you are wrong about SU. You know when a Uconn fan tells you you are wrong in your negativity about Cuse, that you are TRULY WRONG!

I don't think you understand how TV works. The ACC did a deal with WTAE which is a Pitt TV channel once they moved to the ACC also. The ACC was simply getting games on locally. Otherwise, besides national ESPN games Pitt would not have been on TV. Same thing. This isn't hard. But I get that you don't understand. The only Cuse grads that understand TV imediately go to Work for ESPN so that they can rig the industry to keep Cuse and it's never grown to levels it should have fan base.

Look, Your a Providence fan. I can understand why you hate/envy SU.
But this is what you said:

"Wake, BC, Cuse are never going to help the league with a network or a playoff invite."


As far as tv goes, I once had a Time Warner advertising rep tell me that when SU games are on it gets the highest ratings on tv during that time slot from Albany to Buffalo. Granted that was about 10 years ago, but I dont think much has changed. Regarding MSG and YES, it is what it is.

Many SU regional games that were on Time Warner Sports and SNY, when SU was in the BE are now shared between YES and MSG. The ACC doesnt have a deal with Time Warner or SNY. But they sure were able to quickly get a deal with MSG and YES, so that SU fans could still see their team play. This was no coincidence. MSG and YES didnt just suddenly need programming and decided to go with the ACC. This is an actual deal to show Acc games every week. Not every once in a while like some other teams.

I and others have given you reasons as to why you were wrong. Its ok to admit that you didnt know that SU was such a large private school. Its OK. Just admit you were dead wrong and move on. Now Im done with you and your hate for the Cuse.

Why didn't you ask him why their biggest game of the year featured a team in Orange (or Platinum or whatever...lol)...Cuse fans would invade the Dunk to give Providence their only sellout of the year.

No one is saying Cuse isn't a great bball program. Don't get side tracked in this convo by trying to distract about what we are talking about.

Earlier in the thread you threw out numbers about x number of games times 30k and 7 games for football with 40k. That's nice, but a high percentage of that is repeat.

Both of you refuse to acknowledge the facts which are simple. Schools like Pitt, Cuse, Wake etc are small city schools in the grand scheme of things. The fanbases are not large enough, neither are the brands or reach. Many schools have great history in sports. Cuse football is surely a long time name. But years ago the NIT was something important and football and all college sports were different. Get with the times.

A TV network needs not only a market but a base that will tune in. Update NY has a big population. Great. Will they tune in for SUNY buffalo vs ACC schools? I doubt it. There's no base. The buffalo fans that do exist will be at the game right?

Congrats on getting onto MSG. Providence, Oregon St and Baylor also did the same year they were seeking active live content and leagues sold and signed contracts.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2..._care.html

So does that population care or not? You were playing Pitt. Not a G5 or FCS. Pitt.

I can't wait to see this ACCNetwork. I imagine it will be some online coach shows and a couple logo graphics that get slapped on local TV channels who buy the content and not much more than that. No TV channel, or big pay day. At least the mythical unicorn creature has toy companies who produce stuff animals of what it might look like. The ACCNetwork won't get that far. Stop lying to yourself.

(04-21-2015 01:11 PM)BE4neva Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 09:42 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 09:18 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 08:43 PM)BE4neva Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 08:30 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  None of that matters. What matters is that the Acc got a deal with those networks right after SU joined. You can rationalize as much as you want, but that doesnt change the fact that it happened. Nobodys pumping any chests. Just showing you how you are wrong about SU. You know when a Uconn fan tells you you are wrong in your negativity about Cuse, that you are TRULY WRONG!

I don't think you understand how TV works. The ACC did a deal with WTAE which is a Pitt TV channel once they moved to the ACC also. The ACC was simply getting games on locally. Otherwise, besides national ESPN games Pitt would not have been on TV. Same thing. This isn't hard. But I get that you don't understand. The only Cuse grads that understand TV imediately go to Work for ESPN so that they can rig the industry to keep Cuse and it's never grown to levels it should have fan base.

Look, Your a Providence fan. I can understand why you hate/envy SU.
But this is what you said:

"Wake, BC, Cuse are never going to help the league with a network or a playoff invite."


As far as tv goes, I once had a Time Warner advertising rep tell me that when SU games are on it gets the highest ratings on tv during that time slot from Albany to Buffalo. Granted that was about 10 years ago, but I dont think much has changed. Regarding MSG and YES, it is what it is.

Many SU regional games that were on Time Warner Sports and SNY, when SU was in the BE are now shared between YES and MSG. The ACC doesnt have a deal with Time Warner or SNY. But they sure were able to quickly get a deal with MSG and YES, so that SU fans could still see their team play. This was no coincidence. MSG and YES didnt just suddenly need programming and decided to go with the ACC. This is an actual deal to show Acc games every week. Not every once in a while like some other teams.

I and others have given you reasons as to why you were wrong. Its ok to admit that you didnt know that SU was such a large private school. Its OK. Just admit you were dead wrong and move on. Now Im done with you and your hate for the Cuse.

Why didn't you ask him why their biggest game of the year featured a team in Orange (or Platinum or whatever...lol)...Cuse fans would invade the Dunk to give Providence their only sellout of the year.

No one is saying Cuse isn't a great bball program. Don't get side tracked in this convo by trying to distract about what we are talking about.

Earlier in the thread you threw out numbers about x number of games times 30k and 7 games for football with 40k. That's nice, but a high percentage of that is repeat.

Both of you refuse to acknowledge the facts which are simple. Schools like Pitt, Cuse, Wake etc are small city schools in the grand scheme of things. The fanbases are not large enough, neither are the brands or reach. Many schools have great history in sports. Cuse football is surely a long time name. But years ago the NIT was something important and football and all college sports were different. Get with the times.

A TV network needs not only a market but a base that will tune in. Update NY has a big population. Great. Will they tune in for SUNY buffalo vs ACC schools? I doubt it. There's no base. The buffalo fans that do exist will be at the game right?

Congrats on getting onto MSG. Providence, Oregon St and Baylor also did the same year they were seeking active live content and leagues sold and signed contracts.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2..._care.html

So does that population care or not? You were playing Pitt. Not a G5 or FCS. Pitt.

I can't wait to see this ACCNetwork. I imagine it will be some online coach shows and a couple logo graphics that get slapped on local TV channels who buy the content and not much more than that. No TV channel, or big pay day. At least the mythical unicorn creature has toy companies who produce stuff animals of what it might look like. The ACCNetwork won't get that far. Stop lying to yourself.

The problem is did the ACC got the raw deal on the TV network package? If it is not enough? How many would jump ship? All the schools need their fans to show up to games to make it worth while. If there is no fans in the stadium? Why would those teams get shown on tv anymore? Miami has a huge baggage because of their scandal which they should have gotten the Death Penalty if it was not for the NCAA screwing up the investigation. I noticed some of their tv ratings was below 1 million which was not good for a P5 school during the scandal period.