Do you know the letter "D?"

Then you can vote.

Inglés es muy difícil. No, Fitbudo?

(04-15-2015 02:02 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Do you know the letter "D?"

Then you can vote.

That's a weird statement, considering the fact that as one becomes more educated, the more likely they are to vote Democrat.

(04-15-2015 11:05 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 10:46 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I will say that IMHO there should be a minimum level of assets that a voter should have before being allowed the right to vote. I know this isn't popular, but the reasoning behind this is simple. You vote more responsibly when you have skin in the game.

yep....sums up 1 = 1 unless X

and I easily see your premise one day happening.....after much more blood is shed....

too many people with no incentive....I'm hardly the first in history to point out the obvious....

Stink, the issue here is that by not allowing a voice to every citizen, those who have nothing can more easily be marginalized and abused by those with more 'things'. It's easier to be ignored without a vote, just ask blacks after reconstruction and women prior to the early 1900's.

And allowing this sort of rule also brings up the issue of where is the cutoff? I don't think someone making more money than me should have more a vote than myself, do you?

(04-15-2015 02:39 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 02:02 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Do you know the letter "D?"

Then you can vote.

That's a weird statement, considering the fact that as one becomes more educated, the more likely they are to vote Democrat.

Not weird at all considering most high school dropouts vote Democrat

College grads was 51% for Romney, 47% for Obama.

Well, there goes your false narrative.

(04-15-2015 03:45 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  College grads was 51% for Romney, 47% for Obama.

Well, there goes your false narrative.

Not entirely. I've seen this 100 times and it's skewed by the post-grad group. So, surprise, college professors, lawyers, and the Ph.D.s in art history vote dim. Color me shocked.

(04-15-2015 03:45 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  College grads was 51% for Romney, 47% for Obama.

Well, there goes your false narrative.

(04-15-2015 03:45 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  College grads was 51% for Romney, 47% for Obama.

Well, there goes your false narrative.

I looked up your claims and I found that Romney got 47% of the college vote while Obama got 53%, and the postgrad numbers are 62% Obama and 38% Romney.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/139880/electi...roups.aspx

(04-15-2015 05:17 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 03:45 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  College grads was 51% for Romney, 47% for Obama.

Well, there goes your false narrative.

I looked up your claims and I found that Romney got 47% of the college vote while Obama got 53%, and the postgrad numbers are 62% Obama and 38% Romney.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/139880/electi...roups.aspx

Academics in general are all in for socialism because they are indoctrinated while on campus. Professors think it's a grand idea because they don't live and work in the real world. The longer you are in college the worse it is especially those majoring in social sciences and the arts.

(04-15-2015 05:24 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 05:17 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 03:45 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  College grads was 51% for Romney, 47% for Obama.

Well, there goes your false narrative.

I looked up your claims and I found that Romney got 47% of the college vote while Obama got 53%, and the postgrad numbers are 62% Obama and 38% Romney.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/139880/electi...roups.aspx

Academics in general are all in for socialism because they are indoctrinated while on campus. Professors think it's a grand idea because they don't live and work in the real world. The longer you are in college the worse it is especially those majoring in social sciences and the arts.

Hold on. Take a gander at this.

http://reason.com/archives/2014/06/13/ar...n-liberals

Quote:For an inkling of what some social scientists think conservatives believe, parse a 2008 study by the University of Nevada at Reno sociologist Markus Kemmelmeier. To probe the political and social beliefs of nearly 7,000 undergraduates at an elite university, Kemmelmeier devised a set of six questions asking whether abortion, same-sex marriage, and gay sex should be legal, whether handguns and racist/sexist speech on campus should be banned, and whether higher taxes should be imposed on the wealthy. The first three were supposed to measure the students' views of "conservative gender roles," and the second set was supposed to gauge their "anti-regulation" beliefs. Kemmelmeier clearly thought that "liberals" would tend to be OK with legal abortion, same-sex marriage, and gay sex, and would opt to ban handguns and offensive speech and to tax the rich. Conservatives would supposedly hold the opposite views.

Quote:Savvy readers may recognize a problem with using these questions to sort people into just two ideological categories. And sure enough, Kemmelmeier got some results that puzzled him.

Quote:So how smart are libertarians compared to liberals and conservatives? In a May 2014 study in the journal Intelligence, the Oxford sociologist Noah Carl attempts to answer to that question. Because research has "consistently shown that intelligence is positively correlated with socially liberal beliefs and negatively correlated with religious beliefs," Carl suggests that in the American political context, social scientists would expect Republicans to be less intelligent than Democrats. Instead, Republicans have slightly higher verbal intelligence scores (2–5 IQ points) than Democrats. How could that be?

Carl begins by pointing out that there is data suggesting that a segment of the American population holding classical liberal beliefs tends to vote Republican. Classical liberals, Carl notes, believe that an individual should be free to make his own lifestyle choices and to enjoy the profits derived from voluntary transactions with others. He proposes that intelligence actually correlates with classically liberal beliefs.

Bottom line? IMHO, it's the curse of the religious right. I think the socially conservative people chase away those who support civil liberties, and because of that they will invariably migrate towards the alternative. If you can muzzle the religious right on the GOP side and allow a more libertarian viewpoint, it is my belief that you would see a resurgence of the GOP. I don't see that happening anytime soon - sadly.

William Buckley used to say he'd trust the judgment of 12 random people out of the Boston phone book over any 12 members of the Harvard faculty. "Intelligence" and education are not good predictors of wisdom.

But it is a shame we have complete morons voting in heavy numbers. Anyone who thinks the Civil War happened in the 1950's or that the Revolutionary War was to break away from Germany should stay away from the voting booth.

(04-15-2015 05:51 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  William Buckley used to say he'd trust the judgment of 12 random people out of the Boston phone book over any 12 members of the Harvard faculty. "Intelligence" and education are not good predictors of wisdom.

But it is a shame we have complete morons voting in heavy numbers. Anyone who thinks the Civil War happened in the 1950's or that the Revolutionary War was to break away from Germany should stay away from the voting booth.

I agree with you on your 2nd paragraph in particular, and rest assured that the morons flock to both political parties. Don't fool yourself into assuming that the most ignorant are welfare dregs flocking to the democrat banner. There are plenty of ignorant people who flock to the GOP banner who think the earth is only 6000 or 7000 years old...

(04-15-2015 06:00 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 05:51 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  William Buckley used to say he'd trust the judgment of 12 random people out of the Boston phone book over any 12 members of the Harvard faculty. "Intelligence" and education are not good predictors of wisdom.

But it is a shame we have complete morons voting in heavy numbers. Anyone who thinks the Civil War happened in the 1950's or that the Revolutionary War was to break away from Germany should stay away from the voting booth.

I agree with you on your 2nd paragraph in particular, and rest assured that the morons flock to both political parties. Don't fool yourself into assuming that the most ignorant are welfare dregs flocking to the democrat banner. There are plenty of ignorant people who flock to the GOP banner who think the earth is only 6000 or 7000 years old...

I agree, but I'd say the Democrat morons are a bigger part of their constituency. The Republicans who think the Earth is 6,000 years old are rare. I've never met one and I'm a lifelong Republican.

(04-15-2015 06:04 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 06:00 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 05:51 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  William Buckley used to say he'd trust the judgment of 12 random people out of the Boston phone book over any 12 members of the Harvard faculty. "Intelligence" and education are not good predictors of wisdom.

But it is a shame we have complete morons voting in heavy numbers. Anyone who thinks the Civil War happened in the 1950's or that the Revolutionary War was to break away from Germany should stay away from the voting booth.

I agree with you on your 2nd paragraph in particular, and rest assured that the morons flock to both political parties. Don't fool yourself into assuming that the most ignorant are welfare dregs flocking to the democrat banner. There are plenty of ignorant people who flock to the GOP banner who think the earth is only 6000 or 7000 years old...

I agree, but I'd say the Democrat morons are a bigger part of their constituency. The Republicans who think the Earth is 6,000 years old are rare. I've never met one and I'm a lifelong Republican.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. How many on the religious right have a very strict, literal interpretation of the bible? I bet an awful lot of evangelical, fundamentalist religious right believe in the Adam and Eve story, Tower of Babel and Noah's Ark story - all of which are scientifically false.

(04-15-2015 09:13 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 06:04 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 06:00 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 05:51 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  William Buckley used to say he'd trust the judgment of 12 random people out of the Boston phone book over any 12 members of the Harvard faculty. "Intelligence" and education are not good predictors of wisdom.

But it is a shame we have complete morons voting in heavy numbers. Anyone who thinks the Civil War happened in the 1950's or that the Revolutionary War was to break away from Germany should stay away from the voting booth.

I agree with you on your 2nd paragraph in particular, and rest assured that the morons flock to both political parties. Don't fool yourself into assuming that the most ignorant are welfare dregs flocking to the democrat banner. There are plenty of ignorant people who flock to the GOP banner who think the earth is only 6000 or 7000 years old...

I agree, but I'd say the Democrat morons are a bigger part of their constituency. The Republicans who think the Earth is 6,000 years old are rare. I've never met one and I'm a lifelong Republican.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. How many on the religious right have a very strict, literal interpretation of the bible? I bet an awful lot of evangelical, fundamentalist religious right believe in the Adam and Eve story, Tower of Babel and Noah's Ark story - all of which are scientifically false.

As usual, UConn is just talking complete nonsense and nothing he says is based in reality.

(04-15-2015 04:04 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 03:45 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  College grads was 51% for Romney, 47% for Obama.

Well, there goes your false narrative.

(04-15-2015 05:17 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 03:45 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  College grads was 51% for Romney, 47% for Obama.

Well, there goes your false narrative.

I looked up your claims and I found that Romney got 47% of the college vote while Obama got 53%, and the postgrad numbers are 62% Obama and 38% Romney.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/139880/electi...roups.aspx

Also, I really like how the next conservative, without any sort of delay, immediately starts dismissing education without any sort of admission that anyone was wrong at all. Gooooo TEAM POLITICS!

The world would be a lot better if they worried about being factually accurate more than being 'right'. That goes for everyone.

In all fairness to republicans on that 'young earth' thing, it's way too high for Democrats and Independents too. I mean, 10,000 years ago? Come on, that doesn't even make any sense. What educated person thinks Adam + Eve could have created enough phenotypic variation within the human population for the existence of different races in 10,000 years?

(04-15-2015 10:11 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  In all fairness to republicans on that 'young earth' thing, it's way too high for Democrats and Independents too. I mean, 10,000 years ago? Come on, that doesn't even make any sense. What educated person thinks Adam + Eve could have created enough phenotypic variation within the human population for the existence of different races in 10,000 years?

Cause we're populated by idiots. 10,000 years ago is a loooong time, so yea, that's enough for all this... I think we can pretty well blame this on our current education system. Glorified babysitting at it's finest. Garbage in, garbage out.

10,000 years?!? Yea, that's a long asss time, it''s gotta be about that, amirite? I can hear it now.

As to your earlier "next conservative" remark, I was simply going by the poll presented. And trust me, I'd be the last one to dismiss "education".

I'm not sure how this went from a question about being able to read the ballot to one of education. But this country has sunk a lot of time, effort and resources into ensuring a functional level of literacy.