(04-10-2015 11:58 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:56 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  FWIW I checked the Constitution and I can't find the section of it that makes steak and seafood a right in this country.

Maybe I missed it, so here's a link to transcript provided by the government. Read it and if I did please correct me.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charter...cript.html

You need to read it again.

It's in the same section that mandates free birth control and forces people to have health insurance.

It's called "General Welfare".

(04-10-2015 12:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:58 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:56 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  FWIW I checked the Constitution and I can't find the section of it that makes steak and seafood a right in this country.

Maybe I missed it, so here's a link to transcript provided by the government. Read it and if I did please correct me.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charter...cript.html

You need to read it again.

It's in the same section that mandates free birth control and forces people to have health insurance.

It's called "General Welfare".

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionar...al+Welfare

Quote:The concern of the government for the health, peace, morality, and safety of its citizens.

So steak and seafood is vital to the general welfare of this nation? If some people aren't eating steak and seafood there is a threat to our way of life?

You probably need to get to work on the vegetarians then. And tell those who have allergies to stock up on Epi pens because they have to put their lives in danger to protect the general welfare of this nation.

(04-10-2015 12:16 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:58 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:55 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:07 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:05 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  NY Strip is about the cheapest cut of meat that's worth a damn now, and I think it's about $8/pound.

I usually buy thick cut london broils and cut into steaks when I want more than hamburger. It's nothing but flank steak, but cut thick enough and seasoned well it's pretty good on the grill.

Where in the world do you live?

Around here, you can get "7 bone" steak for under $3 a pound.

That's a Chuck. We're not discussing chuck. We're pretty clearly talking about blowing someone else's money on Porterhouse or T-bone, frozen brazilian lobster tails or king crab or ocean scallops or something @ 14.99 a lb.

This "playing" dumb routine grows old after a while. Unless, of course you're not playing.

Oh, and whoever mentioned the imported shrimp, uh yea. No. Nothing from China, Indonesia etc. uh unh.

It's difficult to find US shrimp in the North East.

Understood. Not to derail the thread, but you just need to vacation in NC during summer. Buy 10#'s of fresh white NC shrimp, vac seal them and freeze. That'll hold ya for a while.


That other stuff? As mentioned, do the google on that and it's not all hype and "hit" pieces. I know folks in the industry...

Good info ..... I grow my own vegs and try to freeze what I can that will get me through the winter months. I'll trade you some little neck clams for fresh white shrimp any time!

(04-10-2015 12:30 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 12:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:58 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:56 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  FWIW I checked the Constitution and I can't find the section of it that makes steak and seafood a right in this country.

Maybe I missed it, so here's a link to transcript provided by the government. Read it and if I did please correct me.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charter...cript.html

You need to read it again.

It's in the same section that mandates free birth control and forces people to have health insurance.

It's called "General Welfare".

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionar...al+Welfare

Quote:The concern of the government for the health, peace, morality, and safety of its citizens.

So steak and seafood is vital to the general welfare of this nation? If some people aren't eating steak and seafood there is a threat to our way of life?

You probably need to get to work on the vegetarians then. And tell those who have allergies to stock up on Epi pens because they have to put their lives in danger to protect the general welfare of this nation.

Our government provides food stamps for the "general welfare" of it's citizens. Once you start telling them they can't buy certain foods with those food stamps, you open yourself up to discrimination.

Come on man, it's not rocket science.

(04-10-2015 01:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 12:30 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 12:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:58 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:56 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  FWIW I checked the Constitution and I can't find the section of it that makes steak and seafood a right in this country.

Maybe I missed it, so here's a link to transcript provided by the government. Read it and if I did please correct me.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charter...cript.html

You need to read it again.

It's in the same section that mandates free birth control and forces people to have health insurance.

It's called "General Welfare".

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionar...al+Welfare

Quote:The concern of the government for the health, peace, morality, and safety of its citizens.

So steak and seafood is vital to the general welfare of this nation? If some people aren't eating steak and seafood there is a threat to our way of life?

You probably need to get to work on the vegetarians then. And tell those who have allergies to stock up on Epi pens because they have to put their lives in danger to protect the general welfare of this nation.

Once you start telling them they can't buy certain foods with those food stamps, you open yourself up to discrimination.

You say some of the most nonsensical and stupid things I've ever seen.

(04-10-2015 01:08 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 01:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 12:30 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 12:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:58 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  You need to read it again.

It's in the same section that mandates free birth control and forces people to have health insurance.

It's called "General Welfare".

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionar...al+Welfare

Quote:The concern of the government for the health, peace, morality, and safety of its citizens.

So steak and seafood is vital to the general welfare of this nation? If some people aren't eating steak and seafood there is a threat to our way of life?

You probably need to get to work on the vegetarians then. And tell those who have allergies to stock up on Epi pens because they have to put their lives in danger to protect the general welfare of this nation.

Once you start telling them they can't buy certain foods with those food stamps, you open yourself up to discrimination.

You say some of the most nonsensical and stupid things I've ever seen.

Perhaps I need to remind you of the word "General".

(04-10-2015 01:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 12:30 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 12:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:58 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:56 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  FWIW I checked the Constitution and I can't find the section of it that makes steak and seafood a right in this country.

Maybe I missed it, so here's a link to transcript provided by the government. Read it and if I did please correct me.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charter...cript.html

You need to read it again.

It's in the same section that mandates free birth control and forces people to have health insurance.

It's called "General Welfare".

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionar...al+Welfare

Quote:The concern of the government for the health, peace, morality, and safety of its citizens.

So steak and seafood is vital to the general welfare of this nation? If some people aren't eating steak and seafood there is a threat to our way of life?

You probably need to get to work on the vegetarians then. And tell those who have allergies to stock up on Epi pens because they have to put their lives in danger to protect the general welfare of this nation.

Our government provides food stamps for the "general welfare" of it's citizens. Once you start telling them they can't buy certain foods with those food stamps, you open yourself up to discrimination.

Come on man, it's not rocket science.

But there are already prohibited food items in the program.

As for discrimination.....explain to me how being fiscally responsible is discriminatory. Many of the people who are working and providing the free ride aren't eating steak and seafood because they are having to foot the bill for others to do so. It's essentially like you and I go to McDonalds and I have to eat off the Dollar menu because I have to pay for you to get a supersized Double Quarter Pounder meal and a McFlurry.


And no it's not rocket science, it's economics. When you have limited funds then you need to be economical with your purchases and cut out the luxuries. Contrary to what yo are saying steak and seafood IS a luxury as there are more economical ways for someone to obtain the exact same nutritional needs that those two items provide.

Nobody is saying they can't eat, they just need to learn to eat more economically.

GUYS seriously folks. What do they get 2 dollars a day perp person in the ousehold.. You're not buying Cheez Its on that budget. It's Great Value all the way. They aren't buying Lobsters homey. This whole thing is bunk.

(04-10-2015 01:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  GUYS seriously folks. What do they get 2 dollars a day perp person in the ousehold.. You're not buying Cheez Its on that budget. It's Great Value all the way. They aren't buying Lobsters homey. This whole thing is bunk.

They'll have to buy Great Value like the rest of us? The horror!

(04-10-2015 12:58 PM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 12:16 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:58 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:55 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:07 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Where in the world do you live?

Around here, you can get "7 bone" steak for under $3 a pound.

That's a Chuck. We're not discussing chuck. We're pretty clearly talking about blowing someone else's money on Porterhouse or T-bone, frozen brazilian lobster tails or king crab or ocean scallops or something @ 14.99 a lb.

This "playing" dumb routine grows old after a while. Unless, of course you're not playing.

Oh, and whoever mentioned the imported shrimp, uh yea. No. Nothing from China, Indonesia etc. uh unh.

It's difficult to find US shrimp in the North East.

Understood. Not to derail the thread, but you just need to vacation in NC during summer. Buy 10#'s of fresh white NC shrimp, vac seal them and freeze. That'll hold ya for a while.


That other stuff? As mentioned, do the google on that and it's not all hype and "hit" pieces. I know folks in the industry...

Good info ..... I grow my own vegs and try to freeze what I can that will get me through the winter months. I'll trade you some little neck clams for fresh white shrimp any time!

Deal! We go clamming down there too, gotta watch the mudders though.

(04-10-2015 01:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  GUYS seriously folks. What do they get 2 dollars a day perp person in the ousehold.. You're not buying Cheez Its on that budget. It's Great Value all the way. They aren't buying Lobsters homey. This whole thing is bunk.

Then why is it an issue? If they aren't buying it anyway then why is it such a big deal to prohibit it?

(04-10-2015 01:31 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 01:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  GUYS seriously folks. What do they get 2 dollars a day perp person in the ousehold.. You're not buying Cheez Its on that budget. It's Great Value all the way. They aren't buying Lobsters homey. This whole thing is bunk.

They'll have to buy Great Value like the rest of us? The horror!

Welllll, he did already say he damn near burned the house down when someone deigned to bring the Great Value into chateau de la Mach!

drum roll please............................


Kaplony and I agree..... This isn't an issue. Guys they are not buying Lobsters. THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF.... Maybe this is somehow lowering the value of their card though? I've heard about people buying the EBT card out in a parking lot at like 2 for 1. 50 bucks will get you 100 in EBT food. Can't be getting the black market rates if your 100 is Great Valu 100. Probably lowers it to a 1/3rd of it's value.

Why don't we just do away with the money, and just give them food? They get fed, everybody else doesn't get mad because welfare recipients aren't buying steak and lobster....Sounds like a win/win.

(04-10-2015 01:46 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  drum roll please............................


Kaplony and I agree..... This isn't an issue. Guys they are not buying Lobsters. THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF.... Maybe this is somehow lowering the value of their card though? I've heard about people buying the EBT card out in a parking lot at like 2 for 1. 50 bucks will get you 100 in EBT food. Can't be getting the black market rates if your 100 is Great Valu 100. Probably lowers it to a 1/3rd of it's value.

You know this for a fact?

You spent much time in a position where you could observe what people on government assistance were buying? I have, and I know you are wrong.

(04-10-2015 01:54 PM)Otacon Wrote:  Why don't we just do away with the money, and just give them food? They get fed, everybody else doesn't get mad because welfare recipients aren't buying steak and lobster....Sounds like a win/win.

I've been in favor of that for years.

(04-10-2015 02:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 01:54 PM)Otacon Wrote:  Why don't we just do away with the money, and just give them food? They get fed, everybody else doesn't get mad because welfare recipients aren't buying steak and lobster....Sounds like a win/win.

I've been in favor of that for years.

Why didn't the Dems and Obama just pass a bill so that the Government would pay for health insurance for people who can't afford a policy, as apposed to increasing costs for everybody else and forcing Insurance companies to include all kinds of stuff in a policy that they might elect to not choose.

Or acquire hospitals that hospital groups are disposing of. Make those federal hospitals that offer free or inexpensive care.

It's not worth getting down into the minutiae of picking which foods are acceptable. There is a formula that calculates how much money a household on EBT should get per month. That calculation include variables for location and are predicated on the average price for goods. If someone blows that money on top of the lines items, I don't want to hear anyone coming back talking about they don't have enough cash to last through the month. Because if that's the case we may need to seriously consider removing the kids from the home.

(04-10-2015 01:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 01:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 12:30 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 12:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:58 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  You need to read it again.

It's in the same section that mandates free birth control and forces people to have health insurance.

It's called "General Welfare".

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionar...al+Welfare

Quote:The concern of the government for the health, peace, morality, and safety of its citizens.

So steak and seafood is vital to the general welfare of this nation? If some people aren't eating steak and seafood there is a threat to our way of life?

You probably need to get to work on the vegetarians then. And tell those who have allergies to stock up on Epi pens because they have to put their lives in danger to protect the general welfare of this nation.

Our government provides food stamps for the "general welfare" of it's citizens. Once you start telling them they can't buy certain foods with those food stamps, you open yourself up to discrimination.

Come on man, it's not rocket science.

But there are already prohibited food items in the program.

As for discrimination.....explain to me how being fiscally responsible is discriminatory. Many of the people who are working and providing the free ride aren't eating steak and seafood because they are having to foot the bill for others to do so. It's essentially like you and I go to McDonalds and I have to eat off the Dollar menu because I have to pay for you to get a supersized Double Quarter Pounder meal and a McFlurry.


And no it's not rocket science, it's economics. When you have limited funds then you need to be economical with your purchases and cut out the luxuries. Contrary to what yo are saying steak and seafood IS a luxury as there are more economical ways for someone to obtain the exact same nutritional needs that those two items provide.

Nobody is saying they can't eat, they just need to learn to eat more economically.

Lean cuts of meat and fish are healthy choices. Once you tell people that they cannot purchase the healthiest cuts of meat but instead must buy less healthy meat or go without, then you are no longer providing for the GENERAL welfare of all of your citizens.

(04-10-2015 02:49 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 01:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 01:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 12:30 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 12:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's called "General Welfare".

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionar...al+Welfare

Quote:The concern of the government for the health, peace, morality, and safety of its citizens.

So steak and seafood is vital to the general welfare of this nation? If some people aren't eating steak and seafood there is a threat to our way of life?

You probably need to get to work on the vegetarians then. And tell those who have allergies to stock up on Epi pens because they have to put their lives in danger to protect the general welfare of this nation.

Our government provides food stamps for the "general welfare" of it's citizens. Once you start telling them they can't buy certain foods with those food stamps, you open yourself up to discrimination.

Come on man, it's not rocket science.

But there are already prohibited food items in the program.

As for discrimination.....explain to me how being fiscally responsible is discriminatory. Many of the people who are working and providing the free ride aren't eating steak and seafood because they are having to foot the bill for others to do so. It's essentially like you and I go to McDonalds and I have to eat off the Dollar menu because I have to pay for you to get a supersized Double Quarter Pounder meal and a McFlurry.


And no it's not rocket science, it's economics. When you have limited funds then you need to be economical with your purchases and cut out the luxuries. Contrary to what yo are saying steak and seafood IS a luxury as there are more economical ways for someone to obtain the exact same nutritional needs that those two items provide.

Nobody is saying they can't eat, they just need to learn to eat more economically.

Lean cuts of meat and fish are healthy choices. Once you tell people that they cannot purchase the healthiest cuts of meat but instead must buy less healthy meat or go without, then you are no longer providing for the GENERAL welfare of all of your citizens.

So steak and seafood are the only lean cuts of meat?

That's going to be news to my nutritionist sister-in-law.