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RE: MO Republicans are trying to ban food stamp recipients from buying steak and seafood.
(04-10-2015 10:52 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(04-10-2015 10:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  There are limits on what folks can buy using the WIC program. Why can't there be limits on what folks can purchase using food stamps?

W.I.C. has limits so that families can make healthy choices.
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The same should apply to food stamps.
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(04-11-2015 11:45 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I just got back from Wal-mart and saw this lady using her EBT card for 2-ply toilet paper. I told her "No way Jose! If I'm paying for it then you are using 1-ply toilet paper, take that Charmin back!" That should be in the law too. No Gordon's fish sticks, hamburger helper or 2-ply toilet paper.

Plenty of waste paper laying around. No need to spend taxpayers dollars on Charmin.
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RE: MO Republicans are trying to ban food stamp recipients from buying steak and seafood.
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)
Eligible Food Items

Last Published: 07/18/2014
Households CAN use SNAP benefits to buy:

Foods for the household to eat, such as:
breads and cereals;
fruits and vegetables;
meats, fish and poultry; and
dairy products.
Seeds and plants which produce food for the household to eat.
In some areas, restaurants can be authorized to accept SNAP benefits from qualified homeless, elderly, or disabled people in exchange for low-cost meals.

Households CANNOT use SNAP benefits to buy:

Beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes or tobacco
Any nonfood items, such as:
pet foods
soaps, paper products
household supplies
Vitamins and medicines
Food that will be eaten in the store
Hot foods
Additional Information

“Junk Food” & Luxury Items

The Food and Nutrition Act of 2008 (the Act) defines eligible food as any food or food product for home consumption and also includes seeds and plants which produce food for consumption by SNAP households. The Act precludes the following items from being purchased with SNAP benefits: alcoholic beverages, tobacco products, hot food and any food sold for on-premises consumption. Nonfood items such as pet foods, soaps, paper products, medicines and vitamins, household supplies, grooming items, and cosmetics, also are ineligible for purchase with SNAP benefits.

Soft drinks, candy, cookies, snack crackers, and ice cream are food items and are therefore eligible items
Seafood, steak, and bakery cakes are also food items and are therefore eligible items
Since the current definition of food is a specific part of the Act, any change to this definition would require action by a member of Congress. Several times in the history of SNAP, Congress had considered placing limits on the types of food that could be purchased with program benefits. However, they concluded that designating foods as luxury or non-nutritious would be administratively costly and burdensome. Further detailed information about the challenges of restricting the use of SNAP benefits can be found here:

Report -- Implications of Restricting the use of Food Stamp Benefits

Energy Drinks

When considering the eligibility of energy drinks, and other branded products, the primary determinant is the type of product label chosen by the manufacturer to conform to Food and Drug Administration (FDA) guidelines:

Energy drinks that have a nutrition facts label are eligible foods
Energy drinks that have a supplement facts label are classified by the FDA as supplements, and are therefore not eligible
Live Animals

Generally live animals and birds are not eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits. Live fish such as lobsters and other shellfish may be purchased with SNAP benefits.

Pumpkins, Holiday Gift Baskets, and Special Occasion Cakes

Pumpkins are edible and eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits. However, inedible gourds and pumpkins that are used solely for ornamental purposes are not eligible items.

Gift baskets that contain both food and non-food items, are not eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits if the value of the non-food items exceeds 50 percent of the purchase price. To read our most recent notice about Gift Baskets, click here.

Items such as birthday and other special occasion cakes are eligible for purchase with SNAP benefits as long as the value of non-edible decorations does not exceed 50 percent of the purchase price of the cake.
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RE: MO Republicans are trying to ban food stamp recipients from buying steak and seafood.
(04-11-2015 08:48 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(04-11-2015 11:45 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I just got back from Wal-mart and saw this lady using her EBT card for 2-ply toilet paper. I told her "No way Jose! If I'm paying for it then you are using 1-ply toilet paper, take that Charmin back!" That should be in the law too. No Gordon's fish sticks, hamburger helper or 2-ply toilet paper.

Plenty of waste paper laying around. No need to spend taxpayers dollars on Charmin.

Can't buy paper products with the EBT card.
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RE: MO Republicans are trying to ban food stamp recipients from buying steak and seafood.
(04-11-2015 09:32 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(04-11-2015 08:48 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(04-11-2015 11:45 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I just got back from Wal-mart and saw this lady using her EBT card for 2-ply toilet paper. I told her "No way Jose! If I'm paying for it then you are using 1-ply toilet paper, take that Charmin back!" That should be in the law too. No Gordon's fish sticks, hamburger helper or 2-ply toilet paper.

Plenty of waste paper laying around. No need to spend taxpayers dollars on Charmin.

Can't buy paper products with the EBT card.

firmbizzle knows that. but making a post like the first one in the two posts you quoted is a good example of a troll post. Just like most any firmbizzle post is a good example of a troll post.
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RE: MO Republicans are trying to ban food stamp recipients from buying steak and seafood.
Why should taxpayers be forced to buy steaks for other folks when lots of those taxpayers can't afford said stakes themselves?
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(04-12-2015 07:20 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Why should taxpayers be forced to buy steaks for other folks when lots of those taxpayers can't afford said stakes themselves?

Congress has considered designating certain food items as luxury and excluding them on several occasions but each time figured out it wouldn't be very cost efficient. Also remember that, like the rest of us, if they splurge today there's little left tomorrow.
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RE: MO Republicans are trying to ban food stamp recipients from buying steak and seafood.
I saw a friend on FB that's in MO saying that it's a crying shame they have to be limited to what they should eat, because it's already embarrassing to be broke..

I chose not to respond due to the fact that he has a huge debt for Student Loans for a degree he refuses to use from ITT and then he went to cooking school and I think dropped out because he refused to do things their way.
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(04-12-2015 10:46 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 07:20 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Why should taxpayers be forced to buy steaks for other folks when lots of those taxpayers can't afford said stakes themselves?

Congress has considered designating certain food items as luxury and excluding them on several occasions but each time figured out it wouldn't be very cost efficient. Also remember that, like the rest of us, if they splurge today there's little left tomorrow.

I college I worked in a grocery store to help pay my way though. More times than not, the food stamp folks purchased 100s of dollars worth of food on food stamps and them didn't have much trouble bringing out lots of real money to purchase booze and cigarettes, etc. The money is there, so not sure about the "little left tomorrow" theory.
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(04-12-2015 02:19 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 10:46 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 07:20 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Why should taxpayers be forced to buy steaks for other folks when lots of those taxpayers can't afford said stakes themselves?

Congress has considered designating certain food items as luxury and excluding them on several occasions but each time figured out it wouldn't be very cost efficient. Also remember that, like the rest of us, if they splurge today there's little left tomorrow.

I college I worked in a grocery store to help pay my way though. More times than not, the food stamp folks purchased 100s of dollars worth of food on food stamps and them didn't have much trouble bringing out lots of real money to purchase booze and cigarettes, etc. The money is there, so not sure about the "little left tomorrow" theory.

That would be a case of fraud, not making poor choices. Anyone that provides false information on an application for food stamps should be prosecuted.
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The "poor" in America ... cell phones, Escalades, 60" TV's, Playstation 4's, steak, and lobster.

What a country!
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(04-12-2015 03:59 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 02:19 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 10:46 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 07:20 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Why should taxpayers be forced to buy steaks for other folks when lots of those taxpayers can't afford said stakes themselves?

Congress has considered designating certain food items as luxury and excluding them on several occasions but each time figured out it wouldn't be very cost efficient. Also remember that, like the rest of us, if they splurge today there's little left tomorrow.

I college I worked in a grocery store to help pay my way though. More times than not, the food stamp folks purchased 100s of dollars worth of food on food stamps and them didn't have much trouble bringing out lots of real money to purchase booze and cigarettes, etc. The money is there, so not sure about the "little left tomorrow" theory.

That would be a case of fraud, not making poor choices. Anyone that provides false information on an application for food stamps should be prosecuted.

Not really fraud when it happened nearly every day, and was legal. They just used all their food stamps for food and then used all their real money for beer, cigarettes, etc. It wasn't like I could do anything about it. I just shook my head and kept on keeping on, working. That's probably when I realized the merits of actually working for a living and despising those that abuse others hard work.
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RE: MO Republicans are trying to ban food stamp recipients from buying steak and seafood.
(04-12-2015 04:51 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 03:59 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 02:19 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 10:46 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 07:20 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Why should taxpayers be forced to buy steaks for other folks when lots of those taxpayers can't afford said stakes themselves?

Congress has considered designating certain food items as luxury and excluding them on several occasions but each time figured out it wouldn't be very cost efficient. Also remember that, like the rest of us, if they splurge today there's little left tomorrow.

I college I worked in a grocery store to help pay my way though. More times than not, the food stamp folks purchased 100s of dollars worth of food on food stamps and them didn't have much trouble bringing out lots of real money to purchase booze and cigarettes, etc. The money is there, so not sure about the "little left tomorrow" theory.

That would be a case of fraud, not making poor choices. Anyone that provides false information on an application for food stamps should be prosecuted.

Not really fraud when it happened nearly every day, and was legal. They just used all their food stamps for food and then used all their real money for beer, cigarettes, etc. It wasn't like I could do anything about it. I just shook my head and kept on keeping on, working. That's probably when I realized the merits of actually working for a living and despising those that abuse others hard work.

Did you count how many people each day used food stamps as intended?
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(04-10-2015 10:09 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  If you want to cut wasteful spending, you cannot limit the initiative to only certain programs or departments.

Wasteful spending needs to be addressed ACROSS THE BOARD, from defense to SNAP to education.

I think I agree, but what makes it problematic is the fact that there won't be any consensus on where the waste is in any of those departments.
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RE: MO Republicans are trying to ban food stamp recipients from buying steak and seafood.
(04-12-2015 05:42 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(04-10-2015 10:09 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  If you want to cut wasteful spending, you cannot limit the initiative to only certain programs or departments.
Wasteful spending needs to be addressed ACROSS THE BOARD, from defense to SNAP to education.
I think I agree, but what makes it problematic is the fact that there won't be any consensus on where the waste is in any of those departments.

One big problem is that any decisions of what to cut will be made from the top down, and what needs to be cut are the bureaucrats and administrators at the top. When the top 3 counties in the US for household income are in the DC metro area, and 7 of the top 12, then it's obvious behind any reasonable doubt that government is way, way too top heavy.

The same people who decided that the perfect response to the "government shutdown" was to close the various parks and memorials will be making the decisions of what to cut. They should be cutting themselves. What would I call getting rid of half the federal employees in DC? A good first step.
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(04-12-2015 05:21 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 04:51 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 03:59 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 02:19 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 10:46 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  Congress has considered designating certain food items as luxury and excluding them on several occasions but each time figured out it wouldn't be very cost efficient. Also remember that, like the rest of us, if they splurge today there's little left tomorrow.

I college I worked in a grocery store to help pay my way though. More times than not, the food stamp folks purchased 100s of dollars worth of food on food stamps and them didn't have much trouble bringing out lots of real money to purchase booze and cigarettes, etc. The money is there, so not sure about the "little left tomorrow" theory.

That would be a case of fraud, not making poor choices. Anyone that provides false information on an application for food stamps should be prosecuted.

Not really fraud when it happened nearly every day, and was legal. They just used all their food stamps for food and then used all their real money for beer, cigarettes, etc. It wasn't like I could do anything about it. I just shook my head and kept on keeping on, working. That's probably when I realized the merits of actually working for a living and despising those that abuse others hard work.

Did you count how many people each day used food stamps as intended?

It was about half and half. Of course this was about 20 years ago. I just know it left an impression on me, especially the folks using food stamps and then getting in thier Cadillac and driving off. It's like anything else, the wrongdoers stand out.
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RE: MO Republicans are trying to ban food stamp recipients from buying steak and seafood.
no matter what system you have, there will be people that take advantage of the situation. Heck, there are rumors of FedEx execs who don't marry their baby's mommas so the women can apply for assistance despite living in a nice house and having a nice car.
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(04-12-2015 04:16 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The "poor" in America ... cell phones, Escalades, 60" TV's, Playstation 4's, steak, and lobster.

What a country!

You are out of your mind. Poor people cannot afford those things and you know it.
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(04-13-2015 09:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 04:16 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The "poor" in America ... cell phones, Escalades, 60" TV's, Playstation 4's, steak, and lobster.

What a country!

You are out of your mind. Poor people cannot afford those things and you know it.

Dude, get out and take a look around.
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RE: MO Republicans are trying to ban food stamp recipients from buying steak and seafood.
(04-13-2015 09:44 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(04-13-2015 09:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 04:16 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The "poor" in America ... cell phones, Escalades, 60" TV's, Playstation 4's, steak, and lobster.

What a country!

You are out of your mind. Poor people cannot afford those things and you know it.

Dude, get out and take a look around.

You guys are going to have to provide proof for those kinds of statements.



Escalades are 50k cars at least. Poor people could not and would not be able to even qualify to get those cars.

As a matter of fact, I don't think you can even get food stamps if you have a car payment.
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