(04-08-2015 01:41 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 08:25 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  If there were a team that's not ND, I would go UC to completely sever any Big 12 impedance and cut the circulation out of WVU. Then you make a power play for ND for 16, or maybe throw WVU and UConn a bone at that point. I think 18 is the ideal number to secure all the rivalries in fantasy land.

North: Pitt, BC, WVU, UC, UConn, Cuse

Central: UVa, WF, Va Tech, Duke, UNC, UL

South: ND, FSU, Miami, Ga Tech, Clemson, NC State

That divisional alignment would only work for the south and piss off everyone else.

"Not everyone else" - every UConn and UC fan.

(04-08-2015 01:19 PM)nert Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:01 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 12:39 PM)nert Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 12:26 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Now that it looks like the Big 12 won't need to expand at all with Cincinnati or UCF, the only option for those schools is the ACC. However, UConn has a potential future suitor in the Big Ten in addition to the ACC. It could be just the thing that makes the ACC reverse course and add the Huskies while they are still on the market.

Where is this stated or hinted at by the Big 10 anywhere? link please

My link is my use of the word "potential" above.

Definition:
POTENTIAL (po·ten·tial): existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality

So, under that "definition" of "potential future suitor in the Big Ten", how does Cincinnati not have the same potential? They are also within X miles of a current Big Ten program. They are also a very good basketball program. And how does UCF not have the same potential from the SEC? They're a huge school in a talent rich state.

The answer, of course, is that this "potential" is without any hint of legitimacy. You wish that there is potential there, so you state it is there and think a 3rd party will react to the wishful thinking of a fan of the program in question.

So why would the ACC (or any conference) jump to add a school (who they have repeatedly passed on) without any reason to believe that they would potentially lose out on the school forever to another conference (who has also shown no interest in that school)?

Potential = zero.

You don't seem particularly familiar with conference realignment issues. I will answer these questions for you.

"How does Cincinnati not have the same potential?"
1) As I stated, their position with the ACC could possibly be weakened if the Big 12 doesn't want them
2) Cincy is a good basketball program.. but it isn't UConn good. The UConn men have won more Big East Conference championships and won more national titles. The UConn women? They have no peer. However, Cincy does have a slight leg up in football with their football recruiting territory.
3) I don't care how close Cincy is to the Big Ten. They are not and will never be a Big Ten candidate. They are not a land grant state university, their state already has a Big Ten member (Ohio State), and they don't bring enough from an academic standpoint

"How does UCF not have the same potential from the SEC. They're a school in a talent rich state"
1) The SEC has Florida. Florida will never allow UCF to join. It is that simple. UCF's best bet is the Big 12 (which appears off the table for now). The ACC will only happen for UCF if Florida State or Miami leaves.

That is not a slam on either Cincy or UCF. Both are P5 worthy. Cincy's best bet is the Big 12, but the ACC is certainly a possibility. As for UCF, they would be great in the Big 12, but I just don't see the SEC or ACC adding them anytime soon.

(04-08-2015 01:08 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:03 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  How do we know the ACC will expand? Did Coach K announce it after winning the NCAA tourney? I am all for the ACC or Big10 taking UConn, but is this another fantasy?

The ACC has not stated that they have any interest in expanding. This merely enables them to take another member and form three pods if they decide to do so in the future. Their is no proof that they are going to decide to do so, though.

So, yes... file it under "fantasy" for now.

OR... it simply enables the ACC to form three pods with its current membership (w/o having to expand), and decide on how it determines what teams meet in the ACCCG.

The league already has 15 football playing members, and deregulation allows the conference to come up with an 'out-of-the-box' idea of how to include ND in the title chase, while allowing them the flexibility their "national" schedule requires.

As soon as the presidents, and more importantly, the ADs can figure out how to fit ND in the ACCCG picture (again, with out-of-the-box thinking), the value of that game likely increases by $2M

(04-08-2015 01:49 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:19 PM)nert Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:01 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 12:39 PM)nert Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 12:26 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Now that it looks like the Big 12 won't need to expand at all with Cincinnati or UCF, the only option for those schools is the ACC. However, UConn has a potential future suitor in the Big Ten in addition to the ACC. It could be just the thing that makes the ACC reverse course and add the Huskies while they are still on the market.

Where is this stated or hinted at by the Big 10 anywhere? link please

My link is my use of the word "potential" above.

Definition:
POTENTIAL (po·ten·tial): existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality

So, under that "definition" of "potential future suitor in the Big Ten", how does Cincinnati not have the same potential? They are also within X miles of a current Big Ten program. They are also a very good basketball program. And how does UCF not have the same potential from the SEC? They're a huge school in a talent rich state.

The answer, of course, is that this "potential" is without any hint of legitimacy. You wish that there is potential there, so you state it is there and think a 3rd party will react to the wishful thinking of a fan of the program in question.

So why would the ACC (or any conference) jump to add a school (who they have repeatedly passed on) without any reason to believe that they would potentially lose out on the school forever to another conference (who has also shown no interest in that school)?

Potential = zero.

You don't seem particularly familiar with conference realignment issues. I will answer these questions for you.

"How does Cincinnati not have the same potential?"
1) As I stated, their position with the ACC could possibly be weakened if the Big 12 doesn't want them
2) Cincy is a good basketball program.. but it isn't UConn good. The UConn men have won more Big East Conference championships and won more national titles. The UConn women? They have no peer. However, Cincy does have a slight leg up in football with their football recruiting territory.
3) I don't care how close Cincy is to the Big Ten. They are not and will never be a Big Ten candidate. They are not a land grant state university, their state already has a Big Ten member (Ohio State), and they don't bring enough from an academic standpoint

"How does UCF not have the same potential from the SEC. They're a school in a talent rich state"
1) The SEC has Florida. Florida will never allow UCF to join. It is that simple. UCF's best bet is the Big 12 (which appears off the table for now). The ACC will only happen for UCF if Florida State or Miami leaves.

That is not a slam on either Cincy or UCF. Both are P5 worthy. Cincy's best bet is the Big 12, but the ACC is certainly a possibility. As for UCF, they would be great in the Big 12, but I just don't see the SEC or ACC adding them anytime soon.

You clearly know nothing about UC.

(04-08-2015 01:51 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:08 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:03 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  How do we know the ACC will expand? Did Coach K announce it after winning the NCAA tourney? I am all for the ACC or Big10 taking UConn, but is this another fantasy?

The ACC has not stated that they have any interest in expanding. This merely enables them to take another member and form three pods if they decide to do so in the future. Their is no proof that they are going to decide to do so, though.

So, yes... file it under "fantasy" for now.

OR... it simply enables the ACC to form three pods with its current membership (w/o having to expand), and decide on how it determines what teams meet in the ACCCG.

The league already has 15 football playing members, and deregulation allows the conference to come up with an 'out-of-the-box' idea of how to include ND in the title chase, while allowing them the flexibility their "national" schedule requires.

As soon as the presidents, and more importantly, the ADs can figure out how to fit ND in the ACCCG picture (again, with out-of-the-box thinking), the value of that game likely increases by $2M

That would be awesome.

The ACC would self destruct within 3 years if it started bumping the FSUs or the Clemsons of the ACC at a chance to win the ACC Championship game and appear in the College Football Playoff/NY6 Bowl for ND and the benefit of $2M in new revenue.

The only reason for Cinci over UConn is to cut off the B12 - that would probably quickly lead to the demise of the B12 in 5-7 years.

(04-08-2015 02:07 PM)bearcats54 Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:49 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:19 PM)nert Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:01 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 12:39 PM)nert Wrote:  Where is this stated or hinted at by the Big 10 anywhere? link please

My link is my use of the word "potential" above.

Definition:
POTENTIAL (po·ten·tial): existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality

So, under that "definition" of "potential future suitor in the Big Ten", how does Cincinnati not have the same potential? They are also within X miles of a current Big Ten program. They are also a very good basketball program. And how does UCF not have the same potential from the SEC? They're a huge school in a talent rich state.

The answer, of course, is that this "potential" is without any hint of legitimacy. You wish that there is potential there, so you state it is there and think a 3rd party will react to the wishful thinking of a fan of the program in question.

So why would the ACC (or any conference) jump to add a school (who they have repeatedly passed on) without any reason to believe that they would potentially lose out on the school forever to another conference (who has also shown no interest in that school)?

Potential = zero.

You don't seem particularly familiar with conference realignment issues. I will answer these questions for you.

"How does Cincinnati not have the same potential?"
1) As I stated, their position with the ACC could possibly be weakened if the Big 12 doesn't want them
2) Cincy is a good basketball program.. but it isn't UConn good. The UConn men have won more Big East Conference championships and won more national titles. The UConn women? They have no peer. However, Cincy does have a slight leg up in football with their football recruiting territory.
3) I don't care how close Cincy is to the Big Ten. They are not and will never be a Big Ten candidate. They are not a land grant state university, their state already has a Big Ten member (Ohio State), and they don't bring enough from an academic standpoint

"How does UCF not have the same potential from the SEC. They're a school in a talent rich state"
1) The SEC has Florida. Florida will never allow UCF to join. It is that simple. UCF's best bet is the Big 12 (which appears off the table for now). The ACC will only happen for UCF if Florida State or Miami leaves.

That is not a slam on either Cincy or UCF. Both are P5 worthy. Cincy's best bet is the Big 12, but the ACC is certainly a possibility. As for UCF, they would be great in the Big 12, but I just don't see the SEC or ACC adding them anytime soon.

You clearly know nothing about UC.

This.

UConn should have more BigEast championships, considering Cincinnati was only in the BigEast for a short time. Cincinnati football is a lot better than UConn football. Cincinnati has 2 national titles in basketball - and is a very strong program. NW'tern isn't a land-grant college - neither is Michigan - nor Indiana - nor Iowa. Women's basketball never made any school a candidate for conference expansion.

I'm not saying they are a candidate for the Big 10 - but I'm not the one imagining potentials that don't exist.

UConn is not going to get an invite from the ACC because the ACC fears that the Big10 will take them.

Oh good it is starting.

I think both sides should save their sales pitches for Swofford and their attacks on the other school for their own boards. We don't need another UConn/Louisville/Cinci pissing match like last time.

Considering this is all hogwash speculation and we are in the same conference for the forseeable future, I am going to continue to enjoy competing against Cinci and hope we can both find a new home someday.

(04-08-2015 02:30 PM)nert Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 02:07 PM)bearcats54 Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:49 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:19 PM)nert Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:01 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  My link is my use of the word "potential" above.

Definition:
POTENTIAL (po·ten·tial): existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality

So, under that "definition" of "potential future suitor in the Big Ten", how does Cincinnati not have the same potential? They are also within X miles of a current Big Ten program. They are also a very good basketball program. And how does UCF not have the same potential from the SEC? They're a huge school in a talent rich state.

The answer, of course, is that this "potential" is without any hint of legitimacy. You wish that there is potential there, so you state it is there and think a 3rd party will react to the wishful thinking of a fan of the program in question.

So why would the ACC (or any conference) jump to add a school (who they have repeatedly passed on) without any reason to believe that they would potentially lose out on the school forever to another conference (who has also shown no interest in that school)?

Potential = zero.

You don't seem particularly familiar with conference realignment issues. I will answer these questions for you.

"How does Cincinnati not have the same potential?"
1) As I stated, their position with the ACC could possibly be weakened if the Big 12 doesn't want them
2) Cincy is a good basketball program.. but it isn't UConn good. The UConn men have won more Big East Conference championships and won more national titles. The UConn women? They have no peer. However, Cincy does have a slight leg up in football with their football recruiting territory.
3) I don't care how close Cincy is to the Big Ten. They are not and will never be a Big Ten candidate. They are not a land grant state university, their state already has a Big Ten member (Ohio State), and they don't bring enough from an academic standpoint

"How does UCF not have the same potential from the SEC. They're a school in a talent rich state"
1) The SEC has Florida. Florida will never allow UCF to join. It is that simple. UCF's best bet is the Big 12 (which appears off the table for now). The ACC will only happen for UCF if Florida State or Miami leaves.

That is not a slam on either Cincy or UCF. Both are P5 worthy. Cincy's best bet is the Big 12, but the ACC is certainly a possibility. As for UCF, they would be great in the Big 12, but I just don't see the SEC or ACC adding them anytime soon.

You clearly know nothing about UC.

This.

UConn should have more BigEast championships, considering Cincinnati was only in the BigEast for a short time. Cincinnati football is a lot better than UConn football. Cincinnati has 2 national titles in basketball - and is a very strong program. NW'tern isn't a land-grant college - neither is Michigan - nor Indiana - nor Iowa. Women's basketball never made any school a candidate for conference expansion.

I'm not saying they are a candidate for the Big 10 - but I'm not the one imagining potentials that don't exist.

UConn is not going to get an invite from the ACC because the ACC fears that the Big10 will take them.

"UConn should have more Big East Championships considering Cincinnati was only in the Big East for a short time"
Well, Cincy actually had no Big East Championships. Also, 4 national titles for UConn > 2 national titles
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conf.../big-east/

"Cincy football is a lot better than UConn football"
True at the moment. However, all it takes is one season to change that perception. Look at Memphis. Two seasons ago, they were a laughingstock in football. Then, they had a great year this past year and everybody now is mentioning them for Big 12 inclusion. People are fickle that way.

"NW'tern isn't a land-grant college - neither is Michigan - nor Indiana - nor Iowa."
True. But Northwestern, Michigan, Indiana, and Iowa are great academic institutions. UConn, other than not yet having AAU status, compares pretty evenly with most Big Ten schools like Ohio State and Purdue. Cincy cannot make that same claim. Cincy isn't a bad school by any means. However, it is not a Top 20 public university. UConn is a Top 20 public university.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...top-public

Anyway, I respect Cincy's athletic programs and acknowledge that you could argue for either UConn or Cincy to join the P5 (depending on what criteria you are using). UConn has superior basketball and carries its whole state. Cincinnati has superior football, but plays second fiddle to Ohio State in its home state. The Hartford television market (#30) edges the Cincinnati market (#36), so UConn has a TV set advantage (in addition to carrying a small segment of the NYC market).
http://www.tvb.org/media/file/Nielsen_20..._Ranks.pdf

Either way, nobody on here has any insider information one way or another, so it really is a matter of opinion. I think that BYU and UConn are the biggest names not yet in the P5. You are free to have a differing opinion.

Can someone please just move to another conference already so things can get all crazy again?

Thanks.

(04-08-2015 02:41 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  Oh good it is starting.

I think both sides should save their sales pitches for Swofford and their attacks on the other school for their own boards. We don't need another UConn/Louisville/Cinci pissing match like last time.

Considering this is all hogwash speculation and we are in the same conference for the forseeable future, I am going to continue to enjoy competing against Cinci and hope we can both find a new home someday.

Agreed. I had no intention of dissing Cincy. I like having them in the same conference and hope that we both find landing spots. I was just defending UConn hoops as it has earned its place amongst the big boys of college basketball.

So, that said, I am done with this thread. I will let the armchair conference commissioners on here have at it.

I'll just leave this here...

Quote:Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 52m 52 minutes ago
By way, don't mean to start anything but my 2 reliable ACC sources tell me the ACC is kicking around the idea of adding UCONN.

(04-08-2015 03:09 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  I'll just leave this here...

Quote:Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 52m 52 minutes ago
By way, don't mean to start anything but my 2 reliable ACC sources tell me the ACC is kicking around the idea of adding UCONN.

I see the Dude is still trying to get FSU into the Big XII... UConn to the ACC just might achieve that!

(04-08-2015 03:09 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  I'll just leave this here...

Quote:Christopher Lambert @theDudeofWV · 52m 52 minutes ago
By way, don't mean to start anything but my 2 reliable ACC sources tell me the ACC is kicking around the idea of adding UCONN.

Of everyone in the twitter world you could have quoted, you pick the Dude? This guy has never gotten anything right and in fact I think just throws stuff out there for twitter hits.

Basically if the ACC or B12 decide to add teams then it will be down to UC, Memphis, UCF, or UCONN.

(04-08-2015 04:36 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  Basically if the ACC or B12 decide to add teams then it will be down to UC, Memphis, UCF, or UCONN.

I don't think there will be any expansion unless a team(s)will add $$'s to the Conference on a per conference member basis. Will any of the schools being discussed here do that? I don't think so; which is why, IMO, expansion talk for either the ACC or B12 right now is foolish.

(04-08-2015 01:26 PM)nert Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 01:07 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 12:39 PM)nert Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 12:26 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Now that it looks like the Big 12 won't need to expand at all with Cincinnati or UCF, the only option for those schools is the ACC. However, UConn has a potential future suitor in the Big Ten in addition to the ACC. It could be just the thing that makes the ACC reverse course and add the Huskies while they are still on the market.

Where is this stated or hinted at by the Big 10 anywhere? link please

There's expectation that with the Big Ten's investments in men's ice hockey and women's lacrosse that UConn could be a potential target down the road.

Again LINK.

I don't have a link readily handy for you. But its been discussed ad nauseam on here that UConn would be looked at if the Big Ten expanded again. It further expands the northeastern presence and reinforces the 3 newest conference sports in men's ice hockey and men's and women's LAX. There's also that whole their basketball programs are about as elite as it gets thing. Would it become a more serious look or an actual invitation I don't know, none of us do. The reality is its a logical conclusion that UConn would get looked at given the recent moves of both sides.

"NW'tern isn't a land-grant college - neither is Michigan - nor Indiana - nor Iowa."
True. But Northwestern, Michigan, Indiana, and Iowa are great academic institutions. UConn, other than not yet having AAU status, compares pretty evenly with most Big Ten schools like Ohio State and Purdue. Cincy cannot make that same claim. Cincy isn't a bad school by any means. However, it is not a Top 20 public university. UConn is a Top 20 public university.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...top-public

UC is as close to AAU membership as UConn.
Neither have it and both are considered qualified.

"Research heavyweights that can make good arguments for joining the AAU include, but are hardly limited to, Boston University, Dartmouth College, Louisiana State University at Baton Rouge, North Carolina State University, the University of Cincinnati, the University of Georgia, and the University of Miami. Officials at several of those institutions acknowledge that they would like to join the club."

http://chronicle.com/article/As-AAU-Admi...-to/65200/

Funny but UConn isn't listed on that list of research heavyweights.

For UConn to have a shot at joining the Big 10 or ACC, the football team is going to have to win most of its games this fall, and somehow get ranked among the Top 30 teams. No one can deny UConn basketball was great over the past decade and UConn is wonderful at many other sports. I just don't see the ACC and Big 10 teams taking on a school which last year was one of the worst in football nationwide. It helps that UConn is academically strong, as well, and SW CT is part of the metro New York market.

(04-07-2015 10:16 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I knew people would jump to this conclusion, but actually 14 works every bit as well as 15.

1. Remember first that if you had three divisions, winning a division would not mean you would automatically be in the CCG. Therefore having them be completely equal is not required even if ideally you want them somewhat close together.

2. If you have 3 divisions with 8 conference games, things work fine. Division A and B have 5 teams each while division C has 4. They all play round robin in division. That fills up 4 games in division A and B and 3 in division C. Division A and B play 2 teams from the other 2 divisions each on a rotation basis. That means that each team in division C is playing five out of division games (2 from one division and 3 from the other) and everything works out fine.

Math for division c: Out of division games: From division A and B each play 2 vs. division C. 10x2=20. 20 games/4 teams=5 games. 5 out of division games+3 in division games=8 games.

Yep, that is a VERY good catch. The math works out PERFECTLY.

As for the ACC, the composition of the 5-5-4 team divisions are pretty easy to work out too. Put the North Carolina 4 together. Then it's just a matter of splitting the other 10; if you send Miami north you get the below which seems viable:

Division A (North): Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Miami FLA
Division B (South): Virginia, Virginia Tech, Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech

And another thing --- the Dodd article about how this was "expected to pass" made me think the B1G and SEC, for whatever reasons, are already on-board with this. As I've thought about it, there are some fairly good ways to break the B1G into 5-5-4 team division sets also. SEC is significantly more difficult to break 5-5-4. But consider:

B1G Division A: Penn State, Ohio State, Rutgers, Maryland, Michigan
B1G Division B: Michigan State, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana
B1G Division C: Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin

(Michigan-Michigan State is the only guaranteed annual cross-over game)

SEC Division A: Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Florida
SEC Division B: Arkansas, Texas A&M, Missouri, Vanderbilt, Tennessee
SEC Division C: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State

(this is hardly perfect, nothing for the SEC really keeps everyone happy. Tennessee vs. both Alabama and Kentucky are the only guaranteed annual cross-over games. Also possible for guaranteed annual cross-overs are Texas A&M v. LSU, Vandy v. Ole Miss, Mizzo v. Miss State, and Arkansas v. Auburn. That would mean there's 1-each for a B-C crossover)