Rivers Avenue in North Charleston is a Ghetto! For those not familiar.

(04-08-2015 09:42 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 09:39 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 06:59 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Jesus... that is awful.

I'm sorry, but a suspect running away after getting tasered should not be automatically subject to getting shot. There was no threat to the officer or anyone else.

Good to see the officer is being charged with murder.

??? Where did you hear the suspect was tasered? Last I heard he had taken the taser from the cop in a scuffle and hence, supposedly, this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/sou...death.html

The shooting unfolded after Officer Slager stopped the driver of a Mercedes-Benz with a broken taillight, according to police reports. Mr. Scott ran away, and Officer Slager chased him into a grassy lot that abuts a muffler shop. He fired his Taser, an electronic stun gun, but it did not stop Mr. Scott, according to police reports.

Moments after the struggle, Officer Slager reported on his radio: “Shots fired and the subject is down. He took my Taser,” according to police reports.

But the video, which was taken by a bystander and provided to The New York Times by the Scott family’s lawyer, presents a different account. The video begins in the vacant lot, apparently moments after Officer Slager fired his Taser. Wires, which carry the electrical current from the stun gun, appear to be extending from Mr. Scott’s body as the two men tussle and Mr. Scott turns to run.

Okay thanks. Admittedly I'm playing catch up here a bit this A.M.

But you'll have to pardon me for taking anything from the times with a whole front end loader of salt.

As SCD has said, there's more here than we've seen. Real question now becomes, can others wait for actual evidence to be presented?

I'm betting no.

(04-08-2015 09:49 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 09:42 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 09:39 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 06:59 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Jesus... that is awful.

I'm sorry, but a suspect running away after getting tasered should not be automatically subject to getting shot. There was no threat to the officer or anyone else.

Good to see the officer is being charged with murder.

??? Where did you hear the suspect was tasered? Last I heard he had taken the taser from the cop in a scuffle and hence, supposedly, this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/sou...death.html

The shooting unfolded after Officer Slager stopped the driver of a Mercedes-Benz with a broken taillight, according to police reports. Mr. Scott ran away, and Officer Slager chased him into a grassy lot that abuts a muffler shop. He fired his Taser, an electronic stun gun, but it did not stop Mr. Scott, according to police reports.

Moments after the struggle, Officer Slager reported on his radio: “Shots fired and the subject is down. He took my Taser,” according to police reports.

But the video, which was taken by a bystander and provided to The New York Times by the Scott family’s lawyer, presents a different account. The video begins in the vacant lot, apparently moments after Officer Slager fired his Taser. Wires, which carry the electrical current from the stun gun, appear to be extending from Mr. Scott’s body as the two men tussle and Mr. Scott turns to run.

Okay thanks. Admittedly I'm playing catch up here a bit this A.M.

But you'll have to pardon me for taking anything from the times with a whole front end loader of salt.

As SCD has said, there's more here than we've seen. Real question now becomes, can others wait for actual evidence to be presented?

I'm betting no.

At least the times is doing some reporting rather than the majority of news media saying only "White cop shoots unarmed black male".

(04-07-2015 07:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Why is he running and what exactly was going on just before he turned to run? His arms looked outstretched just before he turned.

An officer can shoot you if you run, more or less I should say.

Can they?

I always thought that cops couldn't shoot someone who was running but then I remembered the phrase " stop or i'll shoot" or is that just in the movies.

(04-08-2015 09:59 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 07:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Why is he running and what exactly was going on just before he turned to run? His arms looked outstretched just before he turned.

An officer can shoot you if you run, more or less I should say.

Can they?

I always thought that cops couldn't shoot someone who was running but then I remembered the phrase " stop or i'll shoot" or is that just in the movies.

Yes, HOD is correct...and officer can shoot you if you run. However, many jurisdictions have restrictions in place that govern the use of force. Also, you need the facts of what caused the officer to use force in order to determine whether the use was consistent with the law. And lastly, he (the officer) always can make a self-defense claim.

So, until more facts are ascertained, it is difficult to definitively say one way or another whether the officer's actions were inconsistent with the law.

(04-08-2015 10:07 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 09:59 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 07:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Why is he running and what exactly was going on just before he turned to run? His arms looked outstretched just before he turned.

An officer can shoot you if you run, more or less I should say.

Can they?

I always thought that cops couldn't shoot someone who was running but then I remembered the phrase " stop or i'll shoot" or is that just in the movies.

Yes, HOD is correct...and officer can shoot you if you run. However, many jurisdictions have restrictions in place that govern the use of force. Also, you need the facts of what caused the officer to use force in order to determine whether the use was consistent with the law. And lastly, he (the officer) always can make a self-defense claim.

So, until more facts are ascertained, it is difficult to definitively say one way or another whether the officer's actions were inconsistent with the law.

Well I don't know the facts of this case but I heard on the radio this morning that some official person ( take that with a grain of salt) said that he will be procecuted for murder.

a shot in the leg probably would have been ok. Also another officer comes from the other way towards the end, so I'm wondering if a pursuit on foot should have been used.

(04-08-2015 10:12 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Well I don't know the facts of this case but I heard on the radio this morning that some official person ( take that with a grain of salt) said that he will be procecuted for murder.

The Mayor

"I can tell you that as the result of that video and the bad decision made by our officer, he will be charged with murder," North Charleston Mayor Keith Summey told reporters Tuesday.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/us/south-c...ed-murder/

What was the origin of the stop?

I could understand shooting someone who is running if he just robbed a store and armed and dangerous.

He has to be charged with something now that this video is out. Time will tell as more is learned.

And Fit, just FYI, cops can run radar in the rain we well.

(04-08-2015 10:12 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 10:07 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 09:59 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-07-2015 07:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Why is he running and what exactly was going on just before he turned to run? His arms looked outstretched just before he turned.

An officer can shoot you if you run, more or less I should say.

Can they?

I always thought that cops couldn't shoot someone who was running but then I remembered the phrase " stop or i'll shoot" or is that just in the movies.

Yes, HOD is correct...and officer can shoot you if you run. However, many jurisdictions have restrictions in place that govern the use of force. Also, you need the facts of what caused the officer to use force in order to determine whether the use was consistent with the law. And lastly, he (the officer) always can make a self-defense claim.

So, until more facts are ascertained, it is difficult to definitively say one way or another whether the officer's actions were inconsistent with the law.

Well I don't know the facts of this case but I heard on the radio this morning that some official person ( take that with a grain of salt) said that he will be procecuted for murder.

Probably so, as this jurisdiction probably doesn't want to deal with the protests. The right thing to do would be to treat this officer like any other suspect in a murder investigation. You first investigate what happened and then if you believe you have enough evidence to show that the officer violated the law, you seek an indictment.

(04-08-2015 10:15 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  What was the origin of the stop?

I could understand shooting someone who is running if he just robbed a store and armed and dangerous.

Traffic stop for a busted tail light.

(04-08-2015 10:17 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 10:15 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  What was the origin of the stop?

I could understand shooting someone who is running if he just robbed a store and armed and dangerous.

Traffic stop for a busted tail light.

Wow. I guess the officer was in fear for his life.

(04-08-2015 10:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 10:17 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 10:15 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  What was the origin of the stop?

I could understand shooting someone who is running if he just robbed a store and armed and dangerous.

Traffic stop for a busted tail light.

Wow. I guess the officer was in fear for his life.

Not really something to laugh at. Cops have been shot at, run over, etc at routine traffic stops. Not saying the cop is justified in any of this, but not something to laugh at regardless.

Scott apparently was a Deadbeat Dad? Excuse the pun. That is supported by court documents.

(04-08-2015 10:43 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Scott apparently was a Deadbeat Dad? Excuse the pun. That is supported by court documents.

http://www.charlestonlaw.net/charleston-...d-support/

This website is a quick read on what is classified as a dead beat dad. I believe this means he had a child in another state and has been delinquent in $5,000.00 or more in payments.

(04-08-2015 10:35 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 10:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 10:17 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 10:15 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  What was the origin of the stop?

I could understand shooting someone who is running if he just robbed a store and armed and dangerous.

Traffic stop for a busted tail light.

Wow. I guess the officer was in fear for his life.

Not really something to laugh at. Cops have been shot at, run over, etc at routine traffic stops. Not saying the cop is justified in any of this, but not something to laugh at regardless.

I'm not laughing at what actually happens on a daily basis. I'm laughing at the defense that I can already see coming.

there's still several questions unanswered ......

1. Who was registered car owner?
2. Was the registered car owner wanted on felony charges?
3. Was there a weapon in the vehicle?
4. Was this a felony traffic stop? (not just a routine stop)
5. Why was a taser used?
6. Was there a struggle? Was there a ground struggle? Did LEO get knocked on the head?
7. Blood, alcohol level/ drugs of BOTH men?
8. Why did taser not subdue suspect? (was he on PCP)
9. Distance when cop upholstered his weapon?
10. Length of police chase?
11. Did suspect have taser when LEO fired? What was the distance?
12. Why did LEO feel deadly force was necessary? Why?
13. Was there a relationship between suspect and LEO? (was suspect someone that LEO encountered in past)
14. What was this neighborhood where event took place known for?
15. Criminal and employment history of both LEO and suspect?

Knowledge about taser for the uninformed.

X26 is very common for LE agencies.

http://www.stun-gun-defense-products.com...rison.html

15 feet is the typical range. After 15 feet, the prongs separate drastically.

I've experience taser 3 times in my life. Been hit with probes twice. I was helpless the moment probes breached my skin.

(04-08-2015 11:00 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  there's still several questions unanswered ......

1. Who was registered car owner?
2. Was the registered car owner wanted on felony charges?
3. Was there a weapon in the vehicle?
4. Was this a felony traffic stop? (not just a routine stop)
5. Why was a taser used?
6. Was there a struggle? Was there a ground struggle? Did LEO get knocked on the head?
7. Blood, alcohol level/ drugs of BOTH men?
8. Why did taser not subdue suspect? (was he on PCP)
9. Distance when cop upholstered his weapon?
10. Length of police chase?
11. Did suspect have taser when LEO fired? What was the distance?
12. Why did LEO feel deadly force was necessary? Why?
13. Was there a relationship between suspect and LEO? (was suspect someone that LEO encountered in past)
14. What was this neighborhood where event took place known for?
15. Criminal and employment history of both LEO and suspect?

A lot of those questions can be answered by simply watching the video. We don't know what happened prior to the start of it, but we can be sure of the answers to those issues I bolded from the video alone.