(02-13-2015 10:41 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Machiavelli, shut up. You're acting like the worst of them right now.

He's trolling. He's in any union's back pocket and can't admit they've ultimately ruined just about everything they've touched.

Walker took on the public unions and is showing them to be the cancer they are.........Mach can't stand it.

He's still livid he has to work till 60 - oh the humanity! Kasich is his other favorite governor.

Some of you have really shown your true selves as of late. Looking down on folks who didn't finish college is repulsive in my opinion. Being jealous of those that found a different (legal) way to wealth is even worse, much worse.

(02-13-2015 11:03 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Some of you have really shown your true selves as of late. Looking down on folks who didn't finish college is repulsive in my opinion. Being jealous of those that found a different (legal) way to wealth is even worse, much worse.

I don't think legality should be the only thing one should be able to hold against a persons occupation, but you're right on the former part.

Quote:He's trolling. He's in any union's back pocket and can't admit they've ultimately ruined just about everything they've touched.

Walker took on the public unions and is showing them to be the cancer they are.........Mach can't stand it.

Anyone who thinks this is true needs a history lesson. Unions are far from objectively altruistic organizations, but they aren't nearly the problem that the right wing thinks they are.

(02-13-2015 11:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 11:03 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Some of you have really shown your true selves as of late. Looking down on folks who didn't finish college is repulsive in my opinion. Being jealous of those that found a different (legal) way to wealth is even worse, much worse.

I don't think legality should be the only thing one should be able to hold against a persons occupation, but you're right on the former part.

Quote:He's trolling. He's in any union's back pocket and can't admit they've ultimately ruined just about everything they've touched.

Walker took on the public unions and is showing them to be the cancer they are.........Mach can't stand it.

Anyone who thinks this is true needs a history lesson. Unions are far from objectively altruistic organizations, but they aren't nearly the problem that the right wing thinks they are.

And you would know this with all you experience? Oh yeah, I forgot, you're a 20 something - you know everything.

In the early days, hell yeah they were good for the country. Not now. Fact is, the things and reasons they were beneficial early have been all but legislated away.

Quote: In the early days, hell yeah they were good for the country. Not now. Fact is, the things and reasons they were beneficial early have been all but legislated away.

Like a livable wage? Controlling for inflation, our minimum wage has decreased and our average wage has stayed constant, despite large growths in overall wealth.

He's still a backslider who cuts taxes for the 1%. Easy work if you can find it.

What courage he shown!!!! He cuts taxes and steals from public pensions! A profile of courage this one!

(02-13-2015 11:16 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 11:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 11:03 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Some of you have really shown your true selves as of late. Looking down on folks who didn't finish college is repulsive in my opinion. Being jealous of those that found a different (legal) way to wealth is even worse, much worse.

I don't think legality should be the only thing one should be able to hold against a persons occupation, but you're right on the former part.

Quote:He's trolling. He's in any union's back pocket and can't admit they've ultimately ruined just about everything they've touched.

Walker took on the public unions and is showing them to be the cancer they are.........Mach can't stand it.

Anyone who thinks this is true needs a history lesson. Unions are far from objectively altruistic organizations, but they aren't nearly the problem that the right wing thinks they are.

And you would know this with all you experience? Oh yeah, I forgot, you're a 20 something - you know everything.

In the early days, hell yeah they were good for the country. Not now. Fact is, the things and reasons they were beneficial early have been all but legislated away.

He's the UCF version of JohnnyZero.

Seems that the only reason to attack someone based on their age is because you're not able to attack their arguments.

(02-13-2015 11:32 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What courage he shown!!!! He cuts taxes and steals from public pensions! A profile of courage this one!

Steals? Good one. The public sector unions in the Rust Belt have had it good, really, really good for a long time. At some point the system is broken and you have to recognize that it's time for a change to planning your retirement like MOST responsible adults in America. Our tax money shouldn't have to take care of you.

Steal from pensions to pay for tax cuts! You guys need to take a serious look at your priorities. You are just making the 1% more money. Cut taxes cut taxes cut taxes. Steal steal steal


Hero of the right. What courage.

(02-14-2015 12:13 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Steal from pensions to pay for tax cuts! You guys need to take a serious look at your priorities. You are just making the 1% more money. Cut taxes cut taxes cut taxes. Steal steal steal


Hero of the right. What courage.

Pensions are funded by money stolen from tax payers. Why should people get paid not too work?

(02-14-2015 12:13 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Steal from pensions to pay for tax cuts! You guys need to take a serious look at your priorities. You are just making the 1% more money. Cut taxes cut taxes cut taxes. Steal steal steal


Hero of the right. What courage.

You're an ignorant fool Mach.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/stat...y-one-cou/

Quote:That included a 2012 report by Morningstar, and a survey by the National Association of State Retirement Administrators using 2011 data that had Wisconsin as the highest-ranking state-run plan for general employees. (Some municipal plans, or state plans for just teachers or law enforcement, were healthier than Wisconsin).

Quote:Gov. Scott Walker told an audience of California conservatives that "Our pension system is the only one in the country that’s 100% funded."

It’s slightly below 100%, but so close that a respected research organization rounds it up. And no other plan covering general state employees can make that claim.

We rate Walker’s statement True.

Yes,


Oh ignorant one. After you cut benefits and steal negotiated benefits you can balance the books. This is a surprise?

Spare me.

Your problem is that you think it's something you were entitled to. The vast majority of the rest of us have to plan for ourselves.

And that makes one ignorant? Because you feel the public is entitled to my negotiated pension after I have entered into agreement 20 years in to said agreement. If you want it to change you change it for new hires. What they did was criminal and ignorant fools like yourself cheer it on. It's disgusting. They might as well have done it at gun point. If they confiscated your 401 k I'm sure you would feel differently. Their scum as are the ones who support such theft.

Private pensions/retirement aren't guaranteed either.

If a state can't afford it, like in Winsconsin, then cutbacks are justified.

I don't have the slightest sympathy. Welcome to the world outside the bubble.

Well, Wisconsin chose not to afford it. Raising taxes to cover it's promises were also an option.

How does one square cutting taxes then? How on one hand can we cry poor and in the other hand cut taxes? And we are not just saying income taxes here either. The taxes companies paid for property and equipment have been wiped off the books. This has led to an even greater wealth accumulation in the upper 1%. It's disgusting, it truly is.

Where in the hell has anyone talked about raising taxes!!! They have cut taxes!!!