(01-09-2015 07:31 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  So, let me get this straight. After months of saying that we could not get a coach the quality of Marshall(or even to my recollection as far back as at least a couple years), Parrish is changing his tune? So, he was right about not getting a quality coach-until he was wrong?

Parrish was basically saying sometimes landing a good coach depended a lot on timing. He indicated Marshall's son was graduating so relocation wouldn't be an issue, his star player would be gone after this year, and he was just getting bored in Wichita. Sort of intimated that he would be open to taking a new job and if Memphis was the best available at the time then it could happen. He wrapped that back around to Cal coming to Memphis because it was the best job open at the time.

We should be doing everything humany possible to get Gregg Marshall. If Pastner were a person with any character, if he loved Memphis in any way, he would step aside and let us pursue someone like GM.

(01-09-2015 08:29 PM)reddyray Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 07:31 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  So, let me get this straight. After months of saying that we could not get a coach the quality of Marshall(or even to my recollection as far back as at least a couple years), Parrish is changing his tune? So, he was right about not getting a quality coach-until he was wrong?

Parrish was basically saying sometimes landing a good coach depended a lot on timing. He indicated Marshall's son was graduating so relocation wouldn't be an issue, his star player would be gone after this year, and he was just getting bored in Wichita. Sort of intimated that he would be open to taking a new job and if Memphis was the best available at the time then it could happen. He wrapped that back around to Cal coming to Memphis because it was the best job open at the time.

^THIS. Someone else said a bit of luck. This is the opportunity that comes up once and it's gone. Only in a special window. Can't be recreated later.

Folks... get names like Greg Marshall and Shaka Smart out of your heads. You're setting yourself up for huge disappointment.

Instead, get familiar with young, up-and-coming coaches in lower conferences. There are a bunch.

(01-09-2015 08:41 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Folks... get names like Greg Marshall and Shaka Smart out of your heads. You're setting yourself up for huge disappointment.

Instead, get familiar with young, up-and-coming coaches in lower conferences. There are a bunch.

I get it. But if GM is indeed available ... you have to ... YOU HAVE TO try to make that happen. As a program, that is an amazing hire. The university leadership would be viewed as geniuses. Instant credibility with one of the best coaches in the country.

Memphis is a great job. Pastner is just butchering it. The boosters can pay a coach as well as any program in the nation. The city is a hotbed of b-ball talent with a storied tradition. If we could get someone in here who could recruit, TEACH AND coach, the sky is the limit. Pastner has had enough talent on his roster the past few years to seriously contend for national titles. Larry Brown could have made a final 4 with what Pastner has had the last 2 years. Wolken is off his rocker and so is anyone else who thinks we can't land a better coach.

(01-09-2015 08:41 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Folks... get names like Greg Marshall and Shaka Smart out of your heads. You're setting yourself up for huge disappointment.

Instead, get familiar with young, up-and-coming coaches in lower conferences. There are a bunch.

Maybe some of you need to get out of memphis and see the city from a different perspective. I feel like i'm the only one that sees Memphis as a top 15 program, with tons of fans, offers great pay and incentives, great recruiting area, amazing arena, NBA town...

The question to ask is why a big name coach wouldn't want to take the job now. I'm not sure people outside of Memphis feel that Memphis isn't a quality enough program. Too much self-loathing in Memphis.

(01-09-2015 08:48 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:41 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Folks... get names like Greg Marshall and Shaka Smart out of your heads. You're setting yourself up for huge disappointment.

Instead, get familiar with young, up-and-coming coaches in lower conferences. There are a bunch.

I get it. But if GM is indeed available ... you have to ... YOU HAVE TO try to make that happen. As a program, that is an amazing hire. The university leadership would be viewed as geniuses. Instant credibility with one of the best coaches in the country.

You make a run at him if he's listening, of course. But that's a pipe dream. It's easy to get caught up in the what if's, but Marshall is basically like Brad Stevens. He will get his pick of his next job, and he's smart (or we wouldn't want him so bad), so he's going to aim higher than us.

Gregg Marshall is the perfect coach for this job.

(01-09-2015 08:49 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:41 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Folks... get names like Greg Marshall and Shaka Smart out of your heads. You're setting yourself up for huge disappointment.

Instead, get familiar with young, up-and-coming coaches in lower conferences. There are a bunch.

Maybe some of you need to get out of memphis and see the city from a different perspective. I feel like i'm the only one that sees Memphis as a top 15 program, with tons of fans, offers great pay and incentives, great recruiting area, amazing arena, NBA town...

The question to ask is why a big name coach wouldn't want to take the job now. I'm not sure people outside of Memphis feel that Memphis isn't a quality enough program. Too much self-loathing in Memphis.

I'm out of Memphis, and I've been all over. I know all sorts of bball fans, and I'm being real. Think back to who UCLA hired... who Indiana hired... we think we'll make a better hire than them? C'mon.

(01-09-2015 08:09 PM)tigers311 Wrote:  Grammar is dumb

Spoken like a Memphis grad [/rollseyes]

(01-09-2015 08:49 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:41 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Folks... get names like Greg Marshall and Shaka Smart out of your heads. You're setting yourself up for huge disappointment.

Instead, get familiar with young, up-and-coming coaches in lower conferences. There are a bunch.

Maybe some of you need to get out of memphis and see the city from a different perspective. I feel like i'm the only one that sees Memphis as a top 15 program, with tons of fans, offers great pay and incentives, great recruiting area, amazing arena, NBA town...

The question to ask is why a big name coach wouldn't want to take the job now. I'm not sure people outside of Memphis feel that Memphis isn't a quality enough program. Too much self-loathing in Memphis.

(01-09-2015 08:53 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Gregg Marshall is the perfect coach for this job.

(01-09-2015 08:54 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:49 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:41 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Folks... get names like Greg Marshall and Shaka Smart out of your heads. You're setting yourself up for huge disappointment.

Instead, get familiar with young, up-and-coming coaches in lower conferences. There are a bunch.

Maybe some of you need to get out of memphis and see the city from a different perspective. I feel like i'm the only one that sees Memphis as a top 15 program, with tons of fans, offers great pay and incentives, great recruiting area, amazing arena, NBA town...

The question to ask is why a big name coach wouldn't want to take the job now. I'm not sure people outside of Memphis feel that Memphis isn't a quality enough program. Too much self-loathing in Memphis.

I'm out of Memphis, and I've been all over. I know all sorts of bball fans, and I'm being real. Think back to who UCLA hired... who Indiana hired... we think we'll make a better hire than them? C'mon.

Steve Alford was a great hire. He had actual head coaching experience prior to going to UCLA. Pastner was nothing more than a stop gap to save the program from hemorrhaging. He was hired b/c he could recruit and we knew he could get the talent back up and make the team competitive. We THOUGHT he would eventually get the head coaching part and learn as he goes. We were wrong. Josh belongs as an assistant coach on some big programs bench where he can do what he does best........recruit. Now that Memphis has a talent base, it is the perfect time to get somebody in here who knows how to teach basketball fundamentals and mold the talent into a TEAM.

(01-09-2015 08:41 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Folks... get names like Greg Marshall and Shaka Smart out of your heads. You're setting yourself up for huge disappointment.

Instead, get familiar with young, up-and-coming coaches in lower conferences. There are a bunch.

Two schools of thought. One, GP wouldn't just throw this out there for no reason. Two, he knows that a segment of our fanbase is comprised of psychos and is ******* with us.

I think both scenarios are equally plausible.

(01-09-2015 08:51 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:48 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:41 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Folks... get names like Greg Marshall and Shaka Smart out of your heads. You're setting yourself up for huge disappointment.

Instead, get familiar with young, up-and-coming coaches in lower conferences. There are a bunch.

I get it. But if GM is indeed available ... you have to ... YOU HAVE TO try to make that happen. As a program, that is an amazing hire. The university leadership would be viewed as geniuses. Instant credibility with one of the best coaches in the country.

You make a run at him if he's listening, of course. But that's a pipe dream. It's easy to get caught up in the what if's, but Marshall is basically like Brad Stevens. He will get his pick of his next job, and he's smart (or we wouldn't want him so bad), so he's going to aim higher than us.

What jobs might be open, or what jobs would be made available if a school thought that they could have Marshall?

Temple
Indiana
Cincy
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest
Texas
Oklahoma
Alabama
Marquette
St. John's
Purdue
Vandy
Texas A&M
Mississippi State

That isn't an overwhelming list, and we would show out favourably compared to all of them with the exception of Texas and Indiana. I don't see any jobs at any of the blueblood programs being open.

I have zero inside knowledge, but this program has crazy upside to a chit load of people. If you can't see it, then I don't know what to say. It's comically obvious.

(01-09-2015 09:00 PM)paulnatlanta Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:49 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:41 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Folks... get names like Greg Marshall and Shaka Smart out of your heads. You're setting yourself up for huge disappointment.

Instead, get familiar with young, up-and-coming coaches in lower conferences. There are a bunch.

Maybe some of you need to get out of memphis and see the city from a different perspective. I feel like i'm the only one that sees Memphis as a top 15 program, with tons of fans, offers great pay and incentives, great recruiting area, amazing arena, NBA town...

The question to ask is why a big name coach wouldn't want to take the job now. I'm not sure people outside of Memphis feel that Memphis isn't a quality enough program. Too much self-loathing in Memphis.

(01-09-2015 08:53 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Gregg Marshall is the perfect coach for this job.

(01-09-2015 08:54 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:49 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:41 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Folks... get names like Greg Marshall and Shaka Smart out of your heads. You're setting yourself up for huge disappointment.

Instead, get familiar with young, up-and-coming coaches in lower conferences. There are a bunch.

Maybe some of you need to get out of memphis and see the city from a different perspective. I feel like i'm the only one that sees Memphis as a top 15 program, with tons of fans, offers great pay and incentives, great recruiting area, amazing arena, NBA town...

The question to ask is why a big name coach wouldn't want to take the job now. I'm not sure people outside of Memphis feel that Memphis isn't a quality enough program. Too much self-loathing in Memphis.

I'm out of Memphis, and I've been all over. I know all sorts of bball fans, and I'm being real. Think back to who UCLA hired... who Indiana hired... we think we'll make a better hire than them? C'mon.

Steve Alford was a great hire. He had actual head coaching experience prior to going to UCLA. Pastner was nothing more than a stop gap to save the program from hemorrhaging. He was hired b/c he could recruit and we knew he could get the talent back up and make the team competitive. We THOUGHT he would eventually get the head coaching part and learn as he goes. We were wrong. Josh belongs as an assistant coach on some big programs bench where he can do what he does best........recruit. Now that Memphis has a talent base, it is the perfect time to get somebody in here who knows how to teach basketball fundamentals and mold the talent into a TEAM.

Steve Alford has two Sweet 16's in 19 years; the first an improbable run of luck after an 11 win season at SW Missouri State 16 years ago. he went to his second with Howland's players last year and is struggling big time right now. He might turn out to be ok, but he definitely qualifies as an underwhelming hire for a true blueblood program.

(01-09-2015 09:00 PM)paulnatlanta Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:49 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:41 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Folks... get names like Greg Marshall and Shaka Smart out of your heads. You're setting yourself up for huge disappointment.

Instead, get familiar with young, up-and-coming coaches in lower conferences. There are a bunch.

Maybe some of you need to get out of memphis and see the city from a different perspective. I feel like i'm the only one that sees Memphis as a top 15 program, with tons of fans, offers great pay and incentives, great recruiting area, amazing arena, NBA town...

The question to ask is why a big name coach wouldn't want to take the job now. I'm not sure people outside of Memphis feel that Memphis isn't a quality enough program. Too much self-loathing in Memphis.

(01-09-2015 08:53 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Gregg Marshall is the perfect coach for this job.

(01-09-2015 08:54 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:49 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:41 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Folks... get names like Greg Marshall and Shaka Smart out of your heads. You're setting yourself up for huge disappointment.

Instead, get familiar with young, up-and-coming coaches in lower conferences. There are a bunch.

Maybe some of you need to get out of memphis and see the city from a different perspective. I feel like i'm the only one that sees Memphis as a top 15 program, with tons of fans, offers great pay and incentives, great recruiting area, amazing arena, NBA town...

The question to ask is why a big name coach wouldn't want to take the job now. I'm not sure people outside of Memphis feel that Memphis isn't a quality enough program. Too much self-loathing in Memphis.

I'm out of Memphis, and I've been all over. I know all sorts of bball fans, and I'm being real. Think back to who UCLA hired... who Indiana hired... we think we'll make a better hire than them? C'mon.

Steve Alford was a great hire. He had actual head coaching experience prior to going to UCLA. Pastner was nothing more than a stop gap to save the program from hemorrhaging. He was hired b/c he could recruit and we knew he could get the talent back up and make the team competitive. We THOUGHT he would eventually get the head coaching part and learn as he goes. We were wrong. Josh belongs as an assistant coach on some big programs bench where he can do what he does best........recruit. Now that Memphis has a talent base, it is the perfect time to get somebody in here who knows how to teach basketball fundamentals and mold the talent into a TEAM.

Steve Alford was no where near as well-thought-of as Greg Marshall, though. That's entirely my point. Alford will be a fine hire for UCLA (he's struggling mightily right now), but most of them didn't see him as the homerun hire that they were hoping for. That's coming directly from UCLA fans I've talked to.

(01-09-2015 09:20 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What jobs might be open, or what jobs would be made available if a school thought that they could have Marshall?

Temple
Indiana
Cincy
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest
Texas
Oklahoma
Alabama
Marquette
St. John's
Purdue
Vandy
Texas A&M
Mississippi State

That isn't an overwhelming list, and we would show out favourably compared to all of them with the exception of Texas and Indiana. I don't see any jobs at any of the blueblood programs being open.

You feel good about our odds being third on that list? I don't. One has tremendous tradition in one of the two best bball leagues and the other has limitless financial resources.

(01-09-2015 09:33 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 09:20 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What jobs might be open, or what jobs would be made available if a school thought that they could have Marshall?

Temple
Indiana
Cincy
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest
Texas
Oklahoma
Alabama
Marquette
St. John's
Purdue
Vandy
Texas A&M
Mississippi State

That isn't an overwhelming list, and we would show out favourably compared to all of them with the exception of Texas and Indiana. I don't see any jobs at any of the blueblood programs being open.

You feel good about our odds being third on that list? I don't. One has tremendous tradition in one of the two best bball leagues and the other has limitless financial resources.

The miscreants are saying that I am being overly negative. I don't think Indiana and Texas will be open, and I don't think Marshall will leave Wichita State.

All I'm saying is that if all three happen, we would still be a longshot, but I wouldn't be shocked if it happened. The rest of the list is comprised of schools where basketball takes a back seat to football, don't have the same facilities that we do, or schools that don't have the tradition that we do.

If you want to recruit a new coach....use the head hunters in Plano that found Fuente. They do it under the radar and discretely and in such a way that both sides get to keep the search and discussions secret...until the deal is done.