Take this however you want to take it... just info I got from my source at UD last night.

As stated by a couple people here, apparently Marquette did try and blackball UD from the Big East. Xavier didn't support Dayton either. That being said, both schools have lost a lot of say because of their support of Butler over UD and now Butler appearing to be on a downward spiral. 1 of the knocks against UD by Marquette was in regards to women's soccer (of which Dayton finished last year favorably compared to Marquette and most of the rest of the Big East, apparently). Several other schools have openly talked about how they are upset at how Creighton and Butler got in over Dayton and are questioning the politics involved with that whole situation.

Dayton up through March had plans to upgrade a number of facilities and add lacrosse to help become more attractive the Big East. After their Elite 8 run, Dayton was told by several media consultants that the Big East is going to get killed in their next TV deal because of the awful ratings, and that the next TV contract would probably be on par with the A10 (A10 had better ratings than the Big East, thanks to CBSSN and NBCSN having more time to develop I'd guess). Dayton is also a power in the A10 while they'd be lost in the shuffle in the Big East. Thus, Dayton cancelled plans to add the sports and decided against a number of the facility upgrades (one of them being a new stadium for football and soccer).

Supposedly the Big East has been in touch to see how "things are progressing" and Dayton essentially flipped them the bird as the Big East didn't want to add them until the next TV contract was being negotiated.

Don't shoot the messenger, just stating what I was told.

I could see how some schools would be upset at Butler especially. Butler even in the A10 year was kind of exposed- got killed vs VCU and swept by SLU.

I think if what you are saying is true- Dayton would be taking a HUGE risk quite frankly. Because in the realignment world, if you say no, someone else is going to say yes. And folks have LONG memories. If you get asked, you have to go.

(10-03-2014 12:20 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I could see how some schools would be upset at Butler especially. Butler even in the A10 year was kind of exposed- got killed vs VCU and swept by SLU.

I think if what you are saying is true- Dayton would be taking a HUGE risk quite frankly. Because in the realignment world, if you say no, someone else is going to say yes. And folks have LONG memories. If you get asked, you have to go.

I'm not sure it is any more of a risk vs putting millions into facilities to get to a conference with no more money than the A10...

Xavier is on the brink financial ruin as a university, Butler's run appears to be over, and Creighton will be starting from scratch without a star player. This season could be a disaster for the new teams in the conference. Dayton will be interesting to watch as well as they have no big man, but they have 6 quality guards (looks like a LOT of running out on fast breaks this year).

As a SLU fan, I'm not sure what to think anymore. I really don't buy expansion talk for the Big East at all.

To the Dayton fan, we (SLU and UD) aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

There might some kernals of truths from your source regarding who might or might not have been in favor of Dayton.i find it hard to believe though that ANYONE would discuss with Dayton what might or might not happen with the BE TV deals/money. Only one year in, and the word is the next deal will be on par with the A10 . I find that hard to believe.
Dayton, may not want to wait 10-11 years for next tv contract, and told the BE that, which is understandable but I cant see them flipping off the BE. if the BE made an offer tomorrow, Dayton would accept. There is still a hierarchy in college athletics and the BE is above the A10. Just like the ACC and B12 were about the BE in FB and the BE/American is/was above CUSA in FB


I would like to see the minutes from the C7 meetings reagarding expansion. The minutes from the BE during the ACC raid of Miami and BC i thought were very interesting. I guess it might be too soon/early for any current AD/president to write or talk about it, but i would find it interesting

I suspect their information regarding Big East expansion came from the media consultants. Time will tell what happens but after their meetings post NCAA tourney with the consultants they slowed down or stopped altogether much of the plans.

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(10-03-2014 12:37 PM)mlb Wrote:  I'm not sure it is any more of a risk vs putting millions into facilities to get to a conference with no more money than the A10...

Xavier is on the brink financial ruin as a university, Butler's run appears to be over, and Creighton will be starting from scratch without a star player. This season could be a disaster for the new teams in the conference. Dayton will be interesting to watch as well as they have no big man, but they have 6 quality guards (looks like a LOT of running out on fast breaks this year).

http://www.xavier.edu/financial-administ...ityAFS.pdf

Granted, I'm not an accountant but just perusing the data I don't see where Xavier has that severe of a problem. Maybe somebody can educate me on the numbers.

They can't keep their faculty. Their bread and butter was their MBA, which is now ranked 2nd in the city (and dropped precipitously against a lot of schools in the area). They are the 2nd best Catholic university in the region, behind Dayton. They have a very small alumni base.

Trust me on this... I've heard it from both UC and UD professors (the 2 biggest competitors to them in the region) saying that their faculty is being eaten up by other schools because they can't afford to pay them their worth. This isn't some sort of anti-Xavier deal, this is what is going on in the real world (and everyone wants Xavier to be strong so they can get raises themselves).

Butler isn't looking too shabby these days after their wins over North Carolina and Georgetown. Even showed up in the AP poll this week.

Yes, I'm impressed with this interim coach. He may be better than the guy he replaced. Wally Pipp in basketball coaching situation?

Dayton=small media market.

End of story.

(12-14-2014 09:56 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Dayton=small media market.

End of story.

As a follow up, I talked to my source at Dayton again last week and he said that Dayton was advised (by their media consultants) that Fox is unhappy with the ratings they have gotten from the Big East, and they are not willing to pony up more cash for the Big East to expand (hence the reason they weren't willing to add Dayton until they renegotiate in the future). The Big East is very concerned about their tournament success due to the poor showing last season and would like to expand but is not willing to expand and lose money for each school.

The media consultant also said that there are other long term coaches in the league who have agents shopping them around to other schools due to the perceived lack of coverage they are getting by ESPN. They believe Buzz Williams was right and that it is hindering recruiting (although Marquette's recruiting this season seems to be opposite of that viewpoint). Supposedly there is some acrimony as well that Villanova and St. John's are getting favorable TV treatment compared to the rest of the league.

Not trying to troll here... just saying what I've been told.

(12-15-2014 12:18 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 09:56 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Dayton=small media market.

End of story.

As a follow up, I talked to my source at Dayton again last week and he said that Dayton was advised (by their media consultants) that Fox is unhappy with the ratings they have gotten from the Big East, and they are not willing to pony up more cash for the Big East to expand (hence the reason they weren't willing to add Dayton until they renegotiate in the future). The Big East is very concerned about their tournament success due to the poor showing last season and would like to expand but is not willing to expand and lose money for each school.

The media consultant also said that there are other long term coaches in the league who have agents shopping them around to other schools due to the perceived lack of coverage they are getting by ESPN. They believe Buzz Williams was right and that it is hindering recruiting (although Marquette's recruiting this season seems to be opposite of that viewpoint). Supposedly there is some acrimony as well that Villanova and St. John's are getting favorable TV treatment compared to the rest of the league.

Not trying to troll here... just saying what I've been told.

your source? How does anyone from dayton know what is going on with FOX and the BE?

Has anyone told the recruits that the lack of coverage is hindering recruiting? The reports I have read had the BE scoring favorably

(12-15-2014 09:21 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  your source? How does anyone from dayton know what is going on with FOX and the BE?

Has anyone told the recruits that the lack of coverage is hindering recruiting? The reports I have read had the BE scoring favorably

Not going to give up my source, but his source to "inside" Big East information was their media consultant whom, I would venture a guess also is employed by either the Big East or one or more Big East schools. Just letting you know what he told me...

(12-16-2014 09:45 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 09:21 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  your source? How does anyone from dayton know what is going on with FOX and the BE?

Has anyone told the recruits that the lack of coverage is hindering recruiting? The reports I have read had the BE scoring favorably

Not going to give up my source, but his source to "inside" Big East information was their media consultant whom, I would venture a guess also is employed by either the Big East or one or more Big East schools. Just letting you know what he told me...

My Brother's friend's gf sez UC to the Horizon League. Can't believe a mod would post this garbage. Can you even read a financial statement? Brink of bk with 200 million liquid? Duh. BE Teams make 4.2 million a yr. in TV money. Dayton? Maybe 275,000. Pathetic. Is Fox going to pony up another 4.2 to get UD. Noooooooooo. They're happy with the 500 million they will have invested. And, thx, the BE is doing very well to this point. Fox just published they are quite happy. ESPN even acknowledged. Recruiting wise, we are totally kicking ass with no end in sight.
And btw, your source must know that the next TV deal to be negotiated is 11 years from now. 2025. Eleven YEARS! haha. What a crock.

Exactly! MLB is creating rumors re fake Big East problems with Dayton, and throwing in some unrelated garbage about XU finances, falling academic rankings, departing profs, etc. Sniff, sniff, do I smell a UC troll here? Oh no, it can't be; he told us in two posts that he's not a troll -- just passing on reliable info he got from his "sources."

A. I'm not a moderator on this board.

B. I'm just posting what I was told... take it as you will.

I didn't claim any validity, I just stated what I was told by someone with whom I am a friend and trust.

The finances side comes from faculty that he has hired away from Xavier over the past 2 years and what they have told him regarding the current environment at the school. The academic rankings are there for all to see based on the publications. The TV money and squabbling between universities comes directly from the TV consultant from what I've been told.

As I said, take it as you will. No skin off my back...

(12-18-2014 12:15 PM)mlb Wrote:  A. I'm not a moderator on this board.

B. I'm just posting what I was told... take it as you will.

I didn't claim any validity, I just stated what I was told by someone with whom I am a friend and trust.

The finances side comes from faculty that he has hired away from Xavier over the past 2 years and what they have told him regarding the current environment at the school. The academic rankings are there for all to see based on the publications. The TV money and squabbling between universities comes directly from the TV consultant from what I've been told.

As I said, take it as you will. No skin off my back...

Maybe you should start by READING the financials and make up your OWN mind. ANY source at Dayton would be a "sour grapes" type. Who would believe such tripe? Did he share the rumor (now fact) that they threw 2 more thugs off the BB team yesterday? Didn't think so.

TV Consultant? Who needs one. The BE Deal is for TWELVE YEARS! Are they going to pay someone to tell them they ain't getting it? Absurd. And there is no squabbling. Dayton is still in the A-10 and X is in the Big East. Get it? People leaves jobs all the time for a variety of reasons. UD needs a new Director of Secuirty, so coeds don't get waken up by BB players stealing from their rooms.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...es-midwest

(12-18-2014 08:29 PM)Xavier Musketeers Wrote:  Maybe you should start by READING the financials and make up your OWN mind. ANY source at Dayton would be a "sour grapes" type. Who would believe such tripe? Did he share the rumor (now fact) that they threw 2 more thugs off the BB team yesterday? Didn't think so.

I'll believe the people who said they couldn't get a realistic budget for their departments due to the fact that Xavier was cutting costs. As far as the 2 "thugs", I heard about it when Dayton announced it. I found out the reasoning for it before it hit the paper. Dayton did the right thing the moment they found out about it and sent them packing. I don't think Xavier can really throw any stones here with the recent history of players in trouble.

Quote:TV Consultant? Who needs one. The BE Deal is for TWELVE YEARS! Are they going to pay someone to tell them they ain't getting it? Absurd. And there is no squabbling. Dayton is still in the A-10 and X is in the Big East. Get it? People leaves jobs all the time for a variety of reasons. UD needs a new Director of Secuirty, so coeds don't get waken up by BB players stealing from their rooms.

Nice... considering all the accusations of players and non-players having rape allegations swept under the rug at Xavier, maybe you should not throw stones while living in a glass house.

Quote:http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...es-midwest

Good to know that you want to be known with the likes of Grand Valley State and Kettering University (regional schools) instead of national schools like Cincinnati, Dayton, Ohio State, etc... and, as I said before, why don't you go back and look at your bread and butter at Xavier, the MBA program, and see where it is ranked compared to other local schools now. Xavier is losing its best faculty to everyone else and it is causing their ratings to drop.