(12-19-2014 10:31 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 08:29 PM)Xavier Musketeers Wrote:  Maybe you should start by READING the financials and make up your OWN mind. ANY source at Dayton would be a "sour grapes" type. Who would believe such tripe? Did he share the rumor (now fact) that they threw 2 more thugs off the BB team yesterday? Didn't think so.

I'll believe the people who said they couldn't get a realistic budget for their departments due to the fact that Xavier was cutting costs. As far as the 2 "thugs", I heard about it when Dayton announced it. I found out the reasoning for it before it hit the paper. Dayton did the right thing the moment they found out about it and sent them packing. I don't think Xavier can really throw any stones here with the recent history of players in trouble.

Quote:TV Consultant? Who needs one. The BE Deal is for TWELVE YEARS! Are they going to pay someone to tell them they ain't getting it? Absurd. And there is no squabbling. Dayton is still in the A-10 and X is in the Big East. Get it? People leaves jobs all the time for a variety of reasons. UD needs a new Director of Secuirty, so coeds don't get waken up by BB players stealing from their rooms.

Nice... considering all the accusations of players and non-players having rape allegations swept under the rug at Xavier, maybe you should not throw stones while living in a glass house.

Quote:http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...es-midwest

Good to know that you want to be known with the likes of Grand Valley State and Kettering University (regional schools) instead of national schools like Cincinnati, Dayton, Ohio State, etc... and, as I said before, why don't you go back and look at your bread and butter at Xavier, the MBA program, and see where it is ranked compared to other local schools now. Xavier is losing its best faculty to everyone else and it is causing their ratings to drop.

UC and Dayton aren't even in the top 100 nationally. Big whoop. Ain't exactly Harvard or Princeton. Is a degree from Uc worth more than X? Nooooo. Unless the recruiter went to Uc.
You do know the Cincinnati Prosecutor refused to bring charges and even defended the player. Duh. Compare to 25 known thefts from UD Own students, and walking into a coed's room at 4AM. Yeah, the same?

"The best advice I've ever gotten was from the two black guys I woke up to breaking into my room - 'maybe U should lock ur door next time,...Thnx"

You made me laugh given UC's own broad history of thuggery under you former alchoholic coach.

".....considering all the accusations of players and non-players having rape allegations swept under the rug at Xavier."

Wow, mlb, there's a pretty damning charge. I'm not sure what rape allegations you think were swept under the rug at Xavier any time recently. The only rape allegation incident involving a player that I'm aware of is the Dez Wells case, and he was booted from the university even though the local prosecutor declined to bring charges. Dez of course went to Maryland, where he became eligible immediately and is now the team's leading scorer, though he's currently sidelined for a month with a broken wrist. As you may recall, Dez actually sued Xavier for wrongful dismissal and slandering his name. His suit was eventually dropped, with no money changing hands and both parties promising not to say anything further about it. Both Tu Holloway and Mark Lyons had issues with behaving appropriately while at X. Both behaved embarrassingly after the UC-XU brawl game 3 years ago, but neither was ever arrested for anything while at Xavier, nor did I ever hear rape allegation rumors about either of them. Lyons transferred to Arizona and also became eligible immediately. Coach Mack did not contest this because Lyons was a behavioral embarrassment to the university and, at least as I heard it, his attitude made him essentially uncoachable. So in fact, XU parted ways with two true stars just because they didn't live up to the behavioral standards of the university. How this adds up to your implication of ethical laxity at Xavier is beyond my understanding. Or maybe your "sources" told you about lots of other cases at XU, all involving "non-players."

I am in fact a retired XU business prof, and so I called an old colleague yesterday and inquired about recently departing faculty. She was surprised by my question and said she hadn't really thought about it, nor had she noticed any increase in faculty turnover in the past couple of years. She did complain about her department's budget, but that was going on during the years I spent there as well. Actually, a large part of my own reason for leaving Xavier was a bigger paycheck and more support being available elsewhere. Faculty members routinely complain about the lack of money at virtually all colleges and universities, and I view both that, and some faculty moving on to higher paying jobs, as normal.

In sum, I really don't know why you seem to have it in for the Big East in general or XU in particular. Are you a UC troll, a Dayton fan who feels betrayed by Xavier going to the Big East, or just someone who gets your kicks by stirring up trouble on a message board? FWIW, I was rather hoping that the Big East would take Dayton along with Xavier, due to the long and wonderful athletic rivalry between the two schools, but now I realize that it really wouldn't have made much sense from a media market perspective. Unfortunately, the media is what's driving conference re-alignment these days, and so I'd be surprised if the Big East ever takes Dayton. That's too bad from this fan's perspective, but it's time to move on.

Finally, if you doubt that I am indeed a retired XU prof, just send me a private email and I'll give you my full name and enough detail to prove that I spent 17 great years at XU. Beyond that, I have nothing further to add to this thread.

(12-19-2014 12:18 PM)Xavier Musketeers Wrote:  UC and Dayton aren't even in the top 100 nationally. Big whoop. Ain't exactly Harvard or Princeton. Is a degree from Uc worth more than X? Nooooo. Unless the recruiter went to Uc.
You do know the Cincinnati Prosecutor refused to bring charges and even defended the player. Duh. Compare to 25 known thefts from UD Own students, and walking into a coed's room at 4AM. Yeah, the same?

Return on investment shows that UC is substantially better than Xavier.

Quote:You made me laugh given UC's own broad history of thuggery under you former alchoholic coach.

I'm not the person who started throwing stones here, am I? XU, UC, and UD all cannot talk. Neither can Ohio State, Kentucky, Indiana, Louisville, or anybody else in the area.

(12-19-2014 12:36 PM)xusandy Wrote:  ".....considering all the accusations of players and non-players having rape allegations swept under the rug at Xavier."

Wow, mlb, there's a pretty damning charge. I'm not sure what rape allegations you think were swept under the rug at Xavier any time recently. The only rape allegation incident involving a player that I'm aware of is the Dez Wells case, and he was booted from the university even though the local prosecutor declined to bring charges. Dez of course went to Maryland, where he became eligible immediately and is now the team's leading scorer, though he's currently sidelined for a month with a broken wrist. As you may recall, Dez actually sued Xavier for wrongful dismissal and slandering his name. His suit was eventually dropped, with no money changing hands and both parties promising not to say anything further about it. Both Tu Holloway and Mark Lyons had issues with behaving appropriately while at X. Both behaved embarrassingly after the UC-XU brawl game 3 years ago, but neither was ever arrested for anything while at Xavier, nor did I ever hear rape allegation rumors about either of them. Lyons transferred to Arizona and also became eligible immediately. Coach Mack did not contest this because Lyons was a behavioral embarrassment to the university and, at least as I heard it, his attitude made him essentially uncoachable. So in fact, XU parted ways with two true stars just because they didn't live up to the behavioral standards of the university. How this adds up to your implication of ethical laxity at Xavier is beyond my understanding. Or maybe your "sources" told you about lots of other cases at XU, all involving "non-players."

DOJ investigation into Xavier is all I need to point out. Xavier had to significantly change their system, which is part of the reason that they railroaded Dez Wells out of Xavier.

Quote:I am in fact a retired XU business prof, and so I called an old colleague yesterday and inquired about recently departing faculty. She was surprised by my question and said she hadn't really thought about it, nor had she noticed any increase in faculty turnover in the past couple of years. She did complain about her department's budget, but that was going on during the years I spent there as well. Actually, a large part of my own reason for leaving Xavier was a bigger paycheck and more support being available elsewhere. Faculty members routinely complain about the lack of money at virtually all colleges and universities, and I view both that, and some faculty moving on to higher paying jobs, as normal.

This person does not work in Dayton's business school. He is in a hiring position, however, and is very well versed on average pay between the 2 schools. UD is significantly better and Xavier professors (as well as other schools) are begging UD to hiring them.

Quote:In sum, I really don't know why you seem to have it in for the Big East in general or XU in particular. Are you a UC troll, a Dayton fan who feels betrayed by Xavier going to the Big East, or just someone who gets your kicks by stirring up trouble on a message board? FWIW, I was rather hoping that the Big East would take Dayton along with Xavier, due to the long and wonderful athletic rivalry between the two schools, but now I realize that it really wouldn't have made much sense from a media market perspective. Unfortunately, the media is what's driving conference re-alignment these days, and so I'd be surprised if the Big East ever takes Dayton. That's too bad from this fan's perspective, but it's time to move on.

UC troll? I've been here for over 10 years, pretty long to make it as a troll. Dayton fan? Sure, outside of UC I root for both Dayton and Wright State (grew up in Dayton). I just told you what I was told from someone who is connected to the school, and specifically has been involved with athletic department business. While I'm sure they were not happy that Xavier left UD for the Big East, it was an easy decision for XU due to the money. That being said, as I've said multiple times now, they've been told by the media consultants to stop worrying about the Big East not because they had no chance of an invite, but because FS1 thus far has been a bust and there is a strong possibility that the Big East has hosed itself in the future.

Quote:Finally, if you doubt that I am indeed a retired XU prof, just send me a private email and I'll give you my full name and enough detail to prove that I spent 17 great years at XU. Beyond that, I have nothing further to add to this thread.

I have no reason to doubt you... nor do you have any reason to doubt what I've said. I just told you what I've been told, no more, no less. I have no dog in this fight as a UC grad, nor do I think Dayton needs the Big East to be a winner. In fact, I think they are better off in the current environment because they are in a very winnable conference with a great coach who can take them on a run similar to last year. Dayton has plenty of money, 13,000 seats sold each night, and a deep pocketed alumni base that will make sure they are flush with money for any coach that wants to be there. They by far have the best college basketball fan base in Ohio and continue to show it year after year.

ROI? Really? You mean like Speaker of the House or CEO of a major Corp? Education is what you do with it. Guys like Bill Gates? Oh, should have gone to Uc.
My whole point is that you are spreading unsubstantiated self described "RUMORS' about a fine, revered institution. Why? And your so-called "source" is some bozo at UD, so, of course, we doubt what you say. I would go as far to say you are a damn liar. I could post a ton of crap about UC and it's program over the years and say my source was Bob Huggins. Would you believe it? Hell no. You just don't get it. Anybody can say anything on a messageboard.
UD gets 13k, Xavier (a much smaller school) gets 10,500. Creighton gets 18k plus every game. UC doesn't attract fans to their games. Who cares? And UD will need the money to hire a new coach after this latest fiasco.

(12-19-2014 02:37 PM)Xavier Musketeers Wrote:  ROI? Really? You mean like Speaker of the House or CEO of a major Corp? Education is what you do with it. Guys like Bill Gates? Oh, should have gone to Uc.

http://www.fox19.com/story/22878121/webs...investment

Take with it what you will. My company is based in Dayton and we won't hire UD or XU grads because, in our field (software development), both schools are awful. But, then again, I could be biased. Ohio State, Wright State, and UC grads are all in high demand around here. Granted, nobody with an engineering background would ever go to Xavier anyway. I didn't come here to rip on Xavier, I came here to tell you what was going around in other circles.

Quote:My whole point is that you are spreading unsubstantiated self described "RUMORS' about a fine, revered institution. Why? And your so-called "source" is some bozo at UD, so, of course, we doubt what you say. I would go as far to say you are a damn liar. I could post a ton of crap about UC and it's program over the years and say my source was Bob Huggins. Would you believe it? Hell no. You just don't get it. Anybody can say anything on a messageboard.
UD gets 13k, Xavier (a much smaller school) gets 10,500. Creighton gets 18k plus every game. UC doesn't attract fans to their games. Who cares? And UD will need the money to hire a new coach after this latest fiasco.

Why would UD need to hire a new coach over it? The players were kicked off the team as would be expected. UD didn't cover up anything for them and allow them to make idiotic statements like the post game press conference after the brawl.

Go ahead and discredit what I posted. I'm fine with that... no skin off my back. I'm just telling you what a close personal friend of mine has told me, who does sit in on many of meetings where the future of the school and athletic department are headed.

(10-03-2014 11:27 AM)mlb Wrote:  ......and now Butler appearing to be on a downward spiral.

Supposedly the Big East has been in touch to see how "things are progressing" and Dayton essentially flipped them the bird......

So you're sayin' BU (top 25 recently) is finished and Dayton wouldn't accept an invite.

Who is the source, Joe Delusional?


Dumb Press conference talk vs 25 felony counts? Yes, I would not expect known felons with at least 8 other incidents (theft, theft, OVI, weed, domestic violence, etc., etc. to be giving a presser.

And if you're in the software dev. field, it would sense to me to hire people with a degree in it from somewhere. Harvard?

http://www.xavier.edu/williams/mba/docum...agFINI.pdf

(12-15-2014 12:18 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 09:56 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Dayton=small media market.

End of story.

As a follow up, I talked to my source at Dayton again last week and he said that Dayton was advised (by their media consultants) that Fox is unhappy with the ratings they have gotten from the Big East...

Did you really need a source who was advised by a media consultants that Fox would be unhappy with their almost nonexistent tv ratings?

(12-19-2014 03:33 PM)Xavier Musketeers Wrote:  So you're sayin' BU (top 25 recently) is finished and Dayton wouldn't accept an invite.

Who is the source, Joe Delusional?

Go back and reread what I said. Dayton stopped their facilities upgrade planning because they were told not to worry, the money wouldn't be there from the Big East in the future according to their consultants. Also check the date of that post. Butler has been 1 of the great stories this year, especially with their coach being out.

Quote:Dumb Press conference talk vs 25 felony counts? Yes, I would not expect known felons with at least 8 other incidents (theft, theft, OVI, weed, domestic violence, etc., etc. to be giving a presser.

No excuse for that behavior, which is why Huggins is gone now. That being said, let's not act like Xavier hasn't had its share of issues off the court in recent years.

Quote:And if you're in the software dev. field, it would sense to me to hire people with a degree in it from somewhere. Harvard?

Except that we also have accountants, business development people, executives, etc...