(12-12-2014 03:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 03:08 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 02:50 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 02:28 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 02:24 PM)Lush Wrote:  i wouldn't say he couldn't be harmless, but folks with that handicap can become violent to no fault of their own. i don't have any background or training in their situation, only a cousin with downs and it isn't exactly easy to reason with them. but his parents trusted him enough to go out alone. obviously the police weren't the right people to call

My cousin is Downs as well. He can get agitated but even at that he doesn't have the capacity to intentionally harm somebody.

That said, if we as taxpayers are paying for damn tazers and the cops want them so they don't have to wrestle folks why they constantly choose to wrestle them? That alone should form some of the requisite intent in my opinion.

word. they could have also sent a social worker or the guy's parents and let police do actual police work. what harm could there have been to letting the guy view a second screening?

That's the thing. The destruction of community and neighborhood hurts in ways people don't see right away.

If this was a neighborhood theater, the manager probably would have let the guy stay for 2-3 showings, and been happy to do it. Parents probably would have made it up by buying their son lots of overpriced popcorn.

Community is important. Leftists know it, and they constantly work to undermine it.

Dude, why? Why in everything must you look to find a right vs. left issue?

So you don't understand, but you still criticize. There's a word for that.

I find those issues b/c they are there. You don't see them? Yeah, I'm not really surprised, I've explained why that's the case, complex things aren't really your bailiwick.

You follow me around and do this because you're a rabbit.
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blo...nt-unrest/

(12-12-2014 04:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 03:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 03:08 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 02:50 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 02:28 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  My cousin is Downs as well. He can get agitated but even at that he doesn't have the capacity to intentionally harm somebody.

That said, if we as taxpayers are paying for damn tazers and the cops want them so they don't have to wrestle folks why they constantly choose to wrestle them? That alone should form some of the requisite intent in my opinion.

word. they could have also sent a social worker or the guy's parents and let police do actual police work. what harm could there have been to letting the guy view a second screening?

That's the thing. The destruction of community and neighborhood hurts in ways people don't see right away.

If this was a neighborhood theater, the manager probably would have let the guy stay for 2-3 showings, and been happy to do it. Parents probably would have made it up by buying their son lots of overpriced popcorn.

Community is important. Leftists know it, and they constantly work to undermine it.

Dude, why? Why in everything must you look to find a right vs. left issue?

So you don't understand, but you still criticize. There's a word for that.

I find those issues b/c they are there. You don't see them? Yeah, I'm not really surprised, I've explained why that's the case, complex things aren't really your bailiwick.

You follow me around and do this because you're a rabbit.
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blo...nt-unrest/

Sorry. You made the statement that leftists work to undermine the community with no explanation for your conclusion. I would just appreciate if you would articulate why so I don't have to read your mind. Thanks.

(12-12-2014 04:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 04:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 03:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 03:08 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 02:50 PM)Lush Wrote:  word. they could have also sent a social worker or the guy's parents and let police do actual police work. what harm could there have been to letting the guy view a second screening?

That's the thing. The destruction of community and neighborhood hurts in ways people don't see right away.

If this was a neighborhood theater, the manager probably would have let the guy stay for 2-3 showings, and been happy to do it. Parents probably would have made it up by buying their son lots of overpriced popcorn.

Community is important. Leftists know it, and they constantly work to undermine it.

Dude, why? Why in everything must you look to find a right vs. left issue?

So you don't understand, but you still criticize. There's a word for that.

I find those issues b/c they are there. You don't see them? Yeah, I'm not really surprised, I've explained why that's the case, complex things aren't really your bailiwick.

You follow me around and do this because you're a rabbit.
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blo...nt-unrest/

Sorry..again you fail. You made the statement that leftists work to undermine the community. Your duty is not just to make a statement and run away, even though you're the master at it. Your duty is to articulate why. You failed to do that. Now you blame me for not being able to read your mind. You keep saying you're better. So prove it.

What's it like to be wrong?

I posted this link over a month ago

http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/...ation.html

Quote:The same tools used to overthrow the Hawaiian Kingdom were the same tools that have been used to overthrow the Sovereignty of all the monarchies and other assorted forms of native sovereign governments of the world in the last several centuries - debt enslavement of the government and (by extension the populace at large) through usury that results in the eventual usurpation of power, followed by enforced immigration of different cultures to break up the cultural uniformity of the populace, so that they cannot base an effective resistance to this usurpation of power around National pride and heterogeneous cultural ties that normally bind a community together.

That's but one example.

It has frequently been discussed on this board the wresting of control of public schools from the local community to a progressive federal government. Schools are a powerful element of a community because they shape it's future and have contact time with both children and parents. A search of public schools would show you where that has been discussed here more times than I can summarize.

But progressives even want to reach out to control homeschoolers, as I mentioned as recently as Sept

http://csnbbs.com/thread-704186.html

Attacks on Christianity, and the churches that aid and bring communities, specifically black communities, together was also cited as recently as Nov

http://csnbbs.com/thread-710233.html

And the strain on community resources from immigration was mentioned often enough, including this from Jun

http://csnbbs.com/thread-693120.html

So no one expects you to read my mind, but they do expect that you actually read this board, and understand it. If you can't do that, then you probably don't belong.

Dr Torch
Redwingtom



















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(12-12-2014 02:28 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  My cousin is Downs as well. He can get agitated but even at that he doesn't have the capacity to intentionally harm somebody.

That said, if we as taxpayers are paying for damn tazers and the cops want them so they don't have to wrestle folks why they constantly choose to wrestle them? That alone should form some of the requisite intent in my opinion.

This is clearly tragic...

I hear what you're saying... but you are kinda contradicting yourself. If he doesn't have the capacity to harm someone, why are you okay tazering him? Tazers are not 'harmless' and without risk. If he had suffered a heart attack because of the tazer, it would have been no less tragic.

As to the wrestling, I suspect they didn't expect to have much trouble with him.. but they did. We honestly don't know if what they did was unreasonable... I mean, how do you remove someone who doesn't want to be removed without using SOME force?

We don't really know what kind of distress he was in. Perhaps the agitation was a precursor to the distress, or perhaps as implied, it was being laid on his stomach that caused the distress. Though I'm not aware of why him laying on his stomach with his hands behind him would specifically cause deadly distress.

If the distress was caused by his 'resisting' the handcuffs, what should they have done? I guess in a perfect world, you'd wait for a family member to help escort him out, but one has to assume (it's not said here) that he either was there alone (doubtful, but if he was, he might not tell you who his family was or how to reach them) or that a family member WAS there, but couldn't get him to comply either.

My point being, and completely subject to a clinical professional telling me they 'should have known' something I'm unaware of about people with Downs... or additional information being presented... I don't think the cops should be held responsible for taking what appears to be one of the least 'risky' approaches to the situation, which only extremely rarely causes any issues... even though in THIS case it obviously had tragic consequences.

If they were careless/thoughtless/should have known better, no problem... convict them... and retrain everyone else.

I work in healthcare but not as a practitioner, and that is what happens in medicine when you get an unexpectedly bad result

(12-12-2014 05:25 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 04:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 04:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 03:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 03:08 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  That's the thing. The destruction of community and neighborhood hurts in ways people don't see right away.

If this was a neighborhood theater, the manager probably would have let the guy stay for 2-3 showings, and been happy to do it. Parents probably would have made it up by buying their son lots of overpriced popcorn.

Community is important. Leftists know it, and they constantly work to undermine it.

Dude, why? Why in everything must you look to find a right vs. left issue?

So you don't understand, but you still criticize. There's a word for that.

I find those issues b/c they are there. You don't see them? Yeah, I'm not really surprised, I've explained why that's the case, complex things aren't really your bailiwick.

You follow me around and do this because you're a rabbit.
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blo...nt-unrest/

Sorry..again you fail. You made the statement that leftists work to undermine the community. Your duty is not just to make a statement and run away, even though you're the master at it. Your duty is to articulate why. You failed to do that. Now you blame me for not being able to read your mind. You keep saying you're better. So prove it.

What's it like to be wrong?

I posted this link over a month ago

http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/...ation.html

Quote:The same tools used to overthrow the Hawaiian Kingdom were the same tools that have been used to overthrow the Sovereignty of all the monarchies and other assorted forms of native sovereign governments of the world in the last several centuries - debt enslavement of the government and (by extension the populace at large) through usury that results in the eventual usurpation of power, followed by enforced immigration of different cultures to break up the cultural uniformity of the populace, so that they cannot base an effective resistance to this usurpation of power around National pride and heterogeneous cultural ties that normally bind a community together.

That's but one example.

It has frequently been discussed on this board the wresting of control of public schools from the local community to a progressive federal government. Schools are a powerful element of a community because they shape it's future and have contact time with both children and parents. A search of public schools would show you where that has been discussed here more times than I can summarize.

But progressives even want to reach out to control homeschoolers, as I mentioned as recently as Sept

http://csnbbs.com/thread-704186.html

Attacks on Christianity, and the churches that aid and bring communities, specifically black communities, together was also cited as recently as Nov

http://csnbbs.com/thread-710233.html

And the strain on community resources from immigration was mentioned often enough, including this from Jun

http://csnbbs.com/thread-693120.html

So no one expects you to read my mind, but they do expect that you actually read this board, and understand it. If you can't do that, then you probably don't belong.

1. No Mr. Self Important...I don't read every bit of drivel you post.
2. Again, just because you reach the conclusion doesn't make it so. You continually do this.
3. And it IS your duty to provide the information up front when you attempt to make a point. That's part of any civil discussion. If you can't do that, then it's you who don't belong.
4. And the one following you around is your little lapdog LSU. You must be proud.

(12-15-2014 11:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 05:25 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 04:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 04:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 03:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dude, why? Why in everything must you look to find a right vs. left issue?

So you don't understand, but you still criticize. There's a word for that.

I find those issues b/c they are there. You don't see them? Yeah, I'm not really surprised, I've explained why that's the case, complex things aren't really your bailiwick.

You follow me around and do this because you're a rabbit.
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blo...nt-unrest/

Sorry..again you fail. You made the statement that leftists work to undermine the community. Your duty is not just to make a statement and run away, even though you're the master at it. Your duty is to articulate why. You failed to do that. Now you blame me for not being able to read your mind. You keep saying you're better. So prove it.

What's it like to be wrong?

I posted this link over a month ago

http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/...ation.html

Quote:The same tools used to overthrow the Hawaiian Kingdom were the same tools that have been used to overthrow the Sovereignty of all the monarchies and other assorted forms of native sovereign governments of the world in the last several centuries - debt enslavement of the government and (by extension the populace at large) through usury that results in the eventual usurpation of power, followed by enforced immigration of different cultures to break up the cultural uniformity of the populace, so that they cannot base an effective resistance to this usurpation of power around National pride and heterogeneous cultural ties that normally bind a community together.

That's but one example.

It has frequently been discussed on this board the wresting of control of public schools from the local community to a progressive federal government. Schools are a powerful element of a community because they shape it's future and have contact time with both children and parents. A search of public schools would show you where that has been discussed here more times than I can summarize.

But progressives even want to reach out to control homeschoolers, as I mentioned as recently as Sept

http://csnbbs.com/thread-704186.html

Attacks on Christianity, and the churches that aid and bring communities, specifically black communities, together was also cited as recently as Nov

http://csnbbs.com/thread-710233.html

And the strain on community resources from immigration was mentioned often enough, including this from Jun

http://csnbbs.com/thread-693120.html

So no one expects you to read my mind, but they do expect that you actually read this board, and understand it. If you can't do that, then you probably don't belong.

1. No Mr. Self Important...I don't read every bit of drivel you post.

Then don't respond if you're ignorant.

Quote:2. Again, just because you reach the conclusion doesn't make it so. You continually do this.

Heh. So actual facts aren't proof enough for you. What's it like to be wrong?

Quote:3. And it IS your duty to provide the information up front when you attempt to make a point. That's part of any civil discussion. If you can't do that, then it's you who don't belong.

Ohh, someone is red-faced that they made a fool of themselves again. Kinda embarrassed tony? Got proven wrong again?

Quote:4. And the one following you around is your little lapdog LSU. You must be proud.

Odd, b/c you admitted to following me. You have a fetish trying to show me up, trying to prove you're wrong. And you keep failing.

(12-15-2014 11:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  1. No Mr. Self Important...I don't read every bit of drivel you post.
2. Again, just because you reach the conclusion doesn't make it so. You continually do this.
3. And it IS your duty to provide the information up front when you attempt to make a point. That's part of any civil discussion. If you can't do that, then it's you who don't belong.
4. And the one following you around is your little lapdog LSU. You must be proud.

*sad trombone sounds off*

Wah wah wah waaaahhhhhh

Don't be mad just because I noticed you getting torched.