(11-30-2014 10:34 AM)bearcatdp Wrote:  If we're both 9-3, in the American and Memphis won the head to head, I doubt the committee will look any deeper than that. UC's resume isn't head and shoulders better than Memphis'. I think Boise is the favorite now but Marshall, Northern Illinois and probably Memphis would also be considered. The committee has said that conference championships are a big consideration for the playoff - I imagine that they would look at the same criteria for the last spot in the access bowl.

Head to head didn't seem to phase them when putting TCU ahead of Baylor.

http://www.bcsguru.com/2014_cfp_standings.htm

This puts us neck and neck with CSU a distant 2nd behind Boise but ahead of Marshall ,Memphis and ucf. ...whatever this is.

Its obviously Boise St's to lose. But a Fresno upset of Boise in the mwc championship and a uc win over Houston, it could get interesting.

(11-28-2014 03:09 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 01:27 PM)thebearcat Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 12:26 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  Beating Tenn, who hasn't been relevant in over a decade, is a big ol meh.


mc

I agree...BUT...our pal Lyle said this week - "The national perception of Tennessee football is at an "all-time high” right now." so while I agree with you, Lyle dooesnt lol

Maybe Butch meant to say "The national perception of Tenn in the last 10 years".

That is clearly what he meant and he is 100% correct IMO.

(12-01-2014 10:10 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 03:09 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 01:27 PM)thebearcat Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 12:26 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  Beating Tenn, who hasn't been relevant in over a decade, is a big ol meh.


mc

I agree...BUT...our pal Lyle said this week - "The national perception of Tennessee football is at an "all-time high” right now." so while I agree with you, Lyle dooesnt lol

Maybe Butch meant to say "The national perception of Tenn in the last 10 years".

That is clearly what he meant and he is 100% correct IMO.

05 5-6
06 9-4
07 10-4
08 5-7
09 7-6
10 6-7
11 5-7
12 5-7
13 5-7
14 6-6
Total 63-61

Is it just me, or have our chances to the access bowl (or BCS) always come down to some 6-6 team having to upset a lower ranked top-25 team? I'm thinking USF-WVU a few years back (I will never forget B.J Daniels fumbling with the game all but won), the potential for UCF to lose to USF last year (Again, USF had that game won and choked it away). . .

(11-29-2014 08:08 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 08:02 PM)payday Wrote:  They're already #29 in the BCS polls. Cincy is #53

There is no BCS.

Correct. It's now, pretty much, BS, without the C...

FWIW, speculation in WV is that WVU is headed to the Liberty Bowl... So, for those of you who hope/think UC gets a LB bid, it might well be a rematch against our old foes, the Mountaineers.

(12-01-2014 01:33 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  FWIW, speculation in WV is that WVU is headed to the Liberty Bowl... So, for those of you who hope/think UC gets a LB bid, it might well be a rematch against our old foes, the Mountaineers.

i'd take that in a heartbeat

(12-01-2014 10:55 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Is it just me, or have our chances to the access bowl (or BCS) always come down to some 6-6 team having to upset a lower ranked top-25 team? I'm thinking USF-WVU a few years back (I will never forget B.J Daniels fumbling with the game all but won), the potential for UCF to lose to USF last year (Again, USF had that game won and choked it away). . .

UCF beating Temple on a miracle last minute one-handed falling catch in the back of the endzone...

(12-01-2014 01:33 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  FWIW, speculation in WV is that WVU is headed to the Liberty Bowl... So, for those of you who hope/think UC gets a LB bid, it might well be a rematch against our old foes, the Mountaineers.

The Liberty Bowl is going to pick an SEC team. I still think Texas is the Big 12 opponent they take.

(12-01-2014 01:39 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 10:55 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Is it just me, or have our chances to the access bowl (or BCS) always come down to some 6-6 team having to upset a lower ranked top-25 team? I'm thinking USF-WVU a few years back (I will never forget B.J Daniels fumbling with the game all but won), the potential for UCF to lose to USF last year (Again, USF had that game won and choked it away). . .

UCF beating Temple on a miracle last minute one-handed falling catch in the back of the endzone...

That was the worst one for me BY FAR.

The Colt McCoy lob that should've ended the game would've either had us to the NC game with a new coach to get sacrificed to the God of Football (Bama) or we would've bee ln jumped somehow by someone which would've further vindicated BK's decision to leave. He was leaving either way, no doubt about it.

(12-01-2014 04:31 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 01:39 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 10:55 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Is it just me, or have our chances to the access bowl (or BCS) always come down to some 6-6 team having to upset a lower ranked top-25 team? I'm thinking USF-WVU a few years back (I will never forget B.J Daniels fumbling with the game all but won), the potential for UCF to lose to USF last year (Again, USF had that game won and choked it away). . .

UCF beating Temple on a miracle last minute one-handed falling catch in the back of the endzone...

That was the worst one for me BY FAR.

The Colt McCoy lob that should've ended the game would've either had us to the NC game with a new coach to get sacrificed to the God of Football (Bama) or we would've bee ln jumped somehow by someone which would've further vindicated BK's decision to leave. He was leaving either way, no doubt about it.

He's not leaving if we are playing for a National Championship, which is what every coach dreams about. I believe I recall him being asked that question after he had moved on if he would have moved from Cincinnati had they been playing in the National Championship game and he said no, he would certainly have stayed.

So Notre Dame is probably responsible for that call so they could steal our coach.

No one leaves before the national championship game. Of course, had Texas lost the voters could simply shift their weight behind TCU and we wouldn't have gotten in, but we'll never know.

(12-01-2014 05:26 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 04:31 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 01:39 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 10:55 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Is it just me, or have our chances to the access bowl (or BCS) always come down to some 6-6 team having to upset a lower ranked top-25 team? I'm thinking USF-WVU a few years back (I will never forget B.J Daniels fumbling with the game all but won), the potential for UCF to lose to USF last year (Again, USF had that game won and choked it away). . .

UCF beating Temple on a miracle last minute one-handed falling catch in the back of the endzone...

That was the worst one for me BY FAR.

The Colt McCoy lob that should've ended the game would've either had us to the NC game with a new coach to get sacrificed to the God of Football (Bama) or we would've bee ln jumped somehow by someone which would've further vindicated BK's decision to leave. He was leaving either way, no doubt about it.

He's not leaving if we are playing for a National Championship, which is what every coach dreams about. I believe I recall him being asked that question after he had moved on if he would have moved from Cincinnati had they been playing in the National Championship game and he said no, he would certainly have stayed.

So Notre Dame is probably responsible for that call so they could steal our coach.

Yes - Dan Patrick asked BK this on his show. BK's exact words were "I'm coaching the National Championship Game."

(12-01-2014 11:25 PM)bearcatdp Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 05:26 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 04:31 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 01:39 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 10:55 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Is it just me, or have our chances to the access bowl (or BCS) always come down to some 6-6 team having to upset a lower ranked top-25 team? I'm thinking USF-WVU a few years back (I will never forget B.J Daniels fumbling with the game all but won), the potential for UCF to lose to USF last year (Again, USF had that game won and choked it away). . .

UCF beating Temple on a miracle last minute one-handed falling catch in the back of the endzone...

That was the worst one for me BY FAR.

The Colt McCoy lob that should've ended the game would've either had us to the NC game with a new coach to get sacrificed to the God of Football (Bama) or we would've bee ln jumped somehow by someone which would've further vindicated BK's decision to leave. He was leaving either way, no doubt about it.

He's not leaving if we are playing for a National Championship, which is what every coach dreams about. I believe I recall him being asked that question after he had moved on if he would have moved from Cincinnati had they been playing in the National Championship game and he said no, he would certainly have stayed.

So Notre Dame is probably responsible for that call so they could steal our coach.

Yes - Dan Patrick asked BK this on his show. BK's exact words were "I'm coaching the National Championship Game."

I doubt it would have turned out much worse than it did when he finally got the chance.

It would have most likely been a lopsided score but if UC would have gotten to that game but it may have changed things. Would BK have stuck around another year or two? Would being in that game put UC as a front runner when realignment hit? Every time we play a national TV game it would be brought up that the Bearcats played for a national championship just a short time ago. Maybe we'd be right where we are. No idea. Lots unanswered questions. Wish Colt McCoy would have thrown that ball 2 yards further out of bounds.

BK left while the leaving was good.

(12-02-2014 12:09 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  BK left while the leaving was good.

Dont think he is having a whole lot of fun right now,they are killing him on the irish message boards.

(12-02-2014 09:06 AM)mikecat Wrote:  

(12-02-2014 12:09 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  BK left while the leaving was good.

Dont think he is having a whole lot of fun right now,they are killing him on the irish message boards.

My point is that BK left the program when it was on top. I know many will disagree with me, but I don't think that BK would have stayed for the bowl game...BCSCG or not...because the Bearcats were going to, in all likelihood, get beaten badly in that game. Our Defense that year had always been atrocious. As we saw in the Sugar Bowl, our players were, in every category, just one step lower than the Florida players (ie. a little slower, a little smaller, etc...). That team is one of my favorites, but they were just plain outmatched on the field. BK left BEFORE the blemish could get on his record.

And before anyone says "Well, he said..." remember, please, that the players said on the bus down from Pittsburgh that BK said "I'm not going anywhere..." (And I trust the players more than I trust BK.) Brian Kelly--like Butch Jones--was a slick salesman; he said all sorts of things that he never personally lived up to. So, if he in fact did say something to the fact that "I'm not leaving if we're playing for the National Championship," I still do not believe it.

What's more, it's regularly accepted that when you take a new job ahead of a Bowl Game, you LEAVE the program immediately to get recruiting for the new program. Notre Dame wasn't going to wait, they had been in discussions with BK from BEFORE the start of the 2009 season (this was well documented), the Kellys had even vacated their house in October so that it was ready to go on the market in December... I'm sorry, but I think the die was cast well before the B12 CCG. Brian Kelly was not going to coach the 2010 bowl game regardless of what that game was.

But that's all history. I'm actually getting excited for THIS YEAR's Bowl game... Hopefully it's a decent game.

(12-02-2014 09:38 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-02-2014 09:06 AM)mikecat Wrote:  

(12-02-2014 12:09 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  BK left while the leaving was good.

Dont think he is having a whole lot of fun right now,they are killing him on the irish message boards.

My point is that BK left the program when it was on top. I know many will disagree with me, but I don't think that BK would have stayed for the bowl game...BCSCG or not...because the Bearcats were going to, in all likelihood, get beaten badly in that game. Our Defense that year had always been atrocious. As we saw in the Sugar Bowl, our players were, in every category, just one step lower than the Florida players (ie. a little slower, a little smaller, etc...). That team is one of my favorites, but they were just plain outmatched on the field. BK left BEFORE the blemish could get on his record.

And before anyone says "Well, he said..." remember, please, that the players said on the bus down from Pittsburgh that BK said "I'm not going anywhere..." (And I trust the players more than I trust BK.) Brian Kelly--like Butch Jones--was a slick salesman; he said all sorts of things that he never personally lived up to. So, if he in fact did say something to the fact that "I'm not leaving if we're playing for the National Championship," I still do not believe it.

What's more, it's regularly accepted that when you take a new job ahead of a Bowl Game, you LEAVE the program immediately to get recruiting for the new program. Notre Dame wasn't going to wait, they had been in discussions with BK from BEFORE the start of the 2009 season (this was well documented), the Kellys had even vacated their house in October so that it was ready to go on the market in December... I'm sorry, but I think the die was cast well before the B12 CCG. Brian Kelly was not going to coach the 2010 bowl game regardless of what that game was.

But that's all history. I'm actually getting excited for THIS YEAR's Bowl game... Hopefully it's a decent game.

Disagree on BK not staying to coach in a national title game. Had we made that game, he would have coached us.

a. you never pass that up, you never know if you will get another shot. Even if you think you will get killed.

b. you parlay that into a bigger paycheck for your next gig. Being able to say "I led Cincinnati into THE National Title Game" garners even more pay. Everyone would have understood if UC got hammered by Bama.