(11-25-2014 12:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:20 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  We need blacks to trust that cops aren't out to kill them and also cops need to trust that not all blacks are criminals.

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Now that we recognize that, how do we get from where we're at to the desired result?

Diversity in law enforcement is a good start. It doesn't help that Ferguson 's police force was something like 95% white.

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So now you want to select people for jobs based on their race?

It's turning in on itself.

It doesn't hurt to have black cops policing black neighborhoods. Does it? I thought you wanted segregation?

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Given that Ferguson was a predominantly white community a mere 20 years ago, I guess firing the white police and hiring black police would have been fair.

(11-25-2014 12:35 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:20 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Now that we recognize that, how do we get from where we're at to the desired result?

Diversity in law enforcement is a good start. It doesn't help that Ferguson 's police force was something like 95% white.

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So now you want to select people for jobs based on their race?

It's turning in on itself.

It doesn't hurt to have black cops policing black neighborhoods. Does it? I thought you wanted segregation?

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Given that Ferguson was a predominantly white community a mere 20 years ago, I guess firing the white police and hiring black police would have been fair.

Not necessary. They simply could offer incentives for black officers from elsewhere to transfer from neighboring communities.

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Oh hell. Al Sharpton standing to the right of Crump at the Brown family press conference.

He looks like somebody wrapped brown tape over the knuckle end of a chicken leg bone.

(11-25-2014 12:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:20 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  We need blacks to trust that cops aren't out to kill them and also cops need to trust that not all blacks are criminals.

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Now that we recognize that, how do we get from where we're at to the desired result?

Diversity in law enforcement is a good start. It doesn't help that Ferguson 's police force was something like 95% white.

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So now you want to select people for jobs based on their race?

It's turning in on itself.

It doesn't hurt to have black cops policing black neighborhoods. Does it? I thought you wanted segregation?

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That does it, no more Blacks and Hispanics can work or patrol in White neighborhoods (I feel like I've heard this argument before somewhere). As for Asians, maybe you can move to California or WA or OR if you want to be in law enforcement.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing. One minority Cop with a white partner would be good.

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(11-25-2014 12:35 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:20 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Now that we recognize that, how do we get from where we're at to the desired result?

Diversity in law enforcement is a good start. It doesn't help that Ferguson 's police force was something like 95% white.

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So now you want to select people for jobs based on their race?

It's turning in on itself.

It doesn't hurt to have black cops policing black neighborhoods. Does it? I thought you wanted segregation?

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Given that Ferguson was a predominantly white community a mere 20 years ago, I guess firing the white police and hiring black police would have been fair.

I don't think anybody is saying that white officers needs to be fired. Stating that African Americans should be encouraged to become officers.

20 years is a career in law enforcement. Ferguson could have hired blacks to keep up with the changes in demographic

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(11-25-2014 12:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  We need blacks to trust that cops aren't out to kill them and also cops need to trust that not all blacks are criminals.

Its all in how you present yourself. Attitude is a very big factor on both sides. Appearance is also a big factor on the public's side.

(11-25-2014 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  20 years is a career in law enforcement. Ferguson could have hired blacks to keep up with the changes in demographic

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Slightly disagree. What it boils down to is how many African Americans are going to the academy and such.

(11-25-2014 12:47 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  20 years is a career in law enforcement. Ferguson could have hired blacks to keep up with the changes in demographic

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Slightly disagree. What it boils down to is how many African Americans are going to the academy and such.

And how many of those cops actually want to work in these communities.

(11-25-2014 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:20 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  We need blacks to trust that cops aren't out to kill them and also cops need to trust that not all blacks are criminals.

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Now that we recognize that, how do we get from where we're at to the desired result?

Diversity in law enforcement is a good start. It doesn't help that Ferguson 's police force was something like 95% white.

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lmfao....I can't help but respond to this one....

blacks are now roughly 13%/whites roughly 63% of the overall populous

just to pull a comparison out of my arse....if 5% of the cops are white and 70% of NFL/NBA players are black, does that need to change equitably to reflect current numbers??? or.....pause.....should ability in the job pool dictate the hire?

why aren't there more blacks in the NHL and NASCAR? b/c nobody cares and they aren't part of the culture.....yet....

job mandates are as much of a joke to business as standardized testing is to the non-affluent....

this race baiting crapola is tards leading tards....

(11-25-2014 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Diversity in law enforcement is a good start. It doesn't help that Ferguson 's police force was something like 95% white.

How many blacks wanted that kind of job, how many applied, and how many were had a criminal justice degree? You can only work with what you've got.

(11-25-2014 12:47 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  20 years is a career in law enforcement. Ferguson could have hired blacks to keep up with the changes in demographic

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Slightly disagree. What it boils down to is how many African Americans are going to the academy and such.

Who knows. Still, they could have anticipated the changes in demographics and made appropriate accommodations

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(11-25-2014 12:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:16 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:10 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:57 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  The thing is, young African Americans 100% believe that if they're pulled over, there's a chance they can get shot. I'm sure there's a 99.9% that they won't get shot, but something has to be done to completely ease those fears.

They could start by being taught that just because you're black doesn't mean cops hate you. They need to be taught that cops don't like criminals because it's criminals that are dangerous. They need to be taught that you have to abide by the rules of law no matter how poor you are, and they need to be taught that it's not the police or anyone elses fault that so many families are struggling.

When people can learn to place the blame on themselves instead of others, things will start to change. Because I can guarantee you that you won't find very many white cops that hate blacks simply for being black. People bring every bit of this on themselves and then blame someone else for their short comings. That's the main problem.

I agree with this. I'd like see police holding assemblies in urban high schools to try to reach out. Heck, even having basketball or flag football tournaments could go a long way to rebuilding the relationship. Also, seeing more African American police officers could help the situation on a national scale.

I don't know about where you live but they do that already here and it doesn't make a bit of difference when culturally they have been told since birth to fear law enforcement and "snitches get stitches"

If there is ever going to be change it has to start with a cultural change within the black community.

That doesn't happen here. In fact, trust between the police and the community is at an all time low in Clairton. And unfortunately the "snitches get stitches" mantra has a strong hold grip.

(11-25-2014 12:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:47 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  20 years is a career in law enforcement. Ferguson could have hired blacks to keep up with the changes in demographic

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Slightly disagree. What it boils down to is how many African Americans are going to the academy and such.

Who knows. Still, they could have anticipated the changes in demographics and made appropriate accommodations

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But if there aren't any going to the academy, there isn't a pool to draw from...

What about from surrounding communities?

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(11-25-2014 12:41 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:35 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Diversity in law enforcement is a good start. It doesn't help that Ferguson 's police force was something like 95% white.

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So now you want to select people for jobs based on their race?

It's turning in on itself.

It doesn't hurt to have black cops policing black neighborhoods. Does it? I thought you wanted segregation?

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Given that Ferguson was a predominantly white community a mere 20 years ago, I guess firing the white police and hiring black police would have been fair.

I don't think anybody is saying that white officers needs to be fired. Stating that African Americans should be encouraged to become officers.

Since we don't have any information on the specific hiring practices of Ferguson, but do nationally aren't minorities already given hiring preference in this country under Affirmative Action?

I related this in another thread on the intellectually honest side of the Spin Room so those of you who only post in the thought policed side probably missed it. Right after college I was a finalist for a job with one of the large city fire departments here in SC. I was in the top 5 of a 10 man hiring class with the only step before being officially being issued a job offer was a drug test. Then the city council declared the list didn't contain enough minorities or women and that he department had to make adjustments. As such only two of the original list were offered jobs and the department had to dip into the pool that did not meet their standards to hire eight to satisfy the requirements put upon them by the council.

A few years later at the SC Firefighter's Convention while at the hotel bar I shared a beer with the Chief of the department at the time. He related that of that class they had an 80% failure rate during training and how it had screwed up their promotional process for years. Because of the high rate of failure they had to promote people to fill Sr Firefighter and Engineer slots who normally wouldn't be promoted, and how it would be affecting their Captain promotional process in the future. Effects that would take 20+ years to work themselves out all because they were forced to hire people that didn't meet their initial standards and as a result couldn't fulfill their subsequent requirements.

That is the danger you face when you hire based upon factors other than who is the most qualified for the job.

We also need to take into account, from a black man's perspective, that when a black cop arrests a black man, they fear being called a sellout to their race or an Uncle Tom. I'm sure lots of black guys think about that.

If people didn't hire based upon factors other than who is the most qualified there would have never been any need for affirmative action.

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(11-25-2014 12:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What about from surrounding communities?

Well, how's it gonna look to offer black cops an incentive and not the white ones? We have an incentive here, if you can speak Spanish, you start out at $1 more per hour. That's a kick in the face to the black and white girls that got hired on a year before...