(10-22-2014 11:27 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:05 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:48 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 09:51 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  I wouldn't say the power conferences are "dying."

I do think you will see more highly-ranked recruits start going to the top G5 programs, though. The 24/7 media cycle means that G5 schools are on TV just as much as the P5, and it won't hurt their chances of being drafted high.

ECU I see more as a traditional tweener school like BYU and Houston that had a nice run in the past and traditionally has played a semi-power conference schedule. They've had good days in the past and earned respect. I'm not sure the conditions are in place however for their program to explode like 90% of their fans think.

So explain this logic to me.

How are the conditions in place for Boise? They are a small school, in a small state, a 37,000 stadium with declining attendance, the academics are nothing special, the population of the state is small, according to you the number of recruits a state produces is important and that also is small.

And you say the conditions are not in place for schools like Houston, ECU, and BYU who have access to much better resources.

Boise State has better resources than ECU and far more tradition. They've got an entire state behind them. Stadium is not as large but check out Boise's ticket prices. Other facilities are generally better than ECU.

Boise plays on the fact that outside of Oregon they've been the best program the last 15 years in the Northwest. They don't have the competition like there is back East with 1 zillion programs. ECU is a high quality G5 that competes every year in their conference but located in North Carolina is at a strategic disadvantage.

Houston they've had some great teams in the past and have that new stadium. They are facing a lot of new competitors instate with UTSA, Texas State and an upgraded North Texas with that new stadium. How are those programs any different at this point from Houston? Back in the day they weren't on the scene and Houston grabbed the surplus of recruits.

BYU is solid every year but with Utah in the PAC and the rise of Boise State they've lost their edge somewhat. They are physically built like a P5 school but are not attracting the pro style QB's anymore. Utah and Boise just were not on their level 20 years ago.

If Boise State had the entire State behind them then they would be called The University of Idaho at Boise State or they would be called Idaho State University. You are wrong. BSU will go no where until they are able to get the folks up North to stop blocking them. That little civil war is going to continue harming the State.

(10-22-2014 11:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Boise State's ONLY chance is to convince the State of Idaho to push a merging of The University of Idaho with Boise State thus creating The University of Idaho at Boise State. Then, after putting into place equivalent recruiting standards as other PAC Universities, perhaps Boise State might have a chance to fill out the final slot in the final major movement that is upcoming.

They are not the most likely choice though. Houston is much higher up on the list, as is ECU if the cards fall just right for ECU to benefit.

So if Boise State fans want to ramble on about their chances, they would be better off writing letters to influential people about the absolute necessity of bringing Boise State into the fold within the State of Idaho.

I didn't say anything about Boise State getting into the PAC. My point is they don't need to which is the entire premise of the thread because the MWC is a big time enough conference. They have access to plenty of post season opportunities to advance their program.

Houston I agree has a decent shot at joining a P5. It has the market, new stadium and academics.

ECU was one of the last schools picked for the AAC. There is not one directional public school in a power conference to date. They are a bigger enrollment school and with that East Coast location belong in there with UCF, USF and Temple. None of those schools fit well into the ACC with monster enrollments and the B12 with its pick of WVU is looking more at land grants to keep up the power conference image.

(10-22-2014 11:31 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:27 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:05 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:48 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 09:51 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  I wouldn't say the power conferences are "dying."

I do think you will see more highly-ranked recruits start going to the top G5 programs, though. The 24/7 media cycle means that G5 schools are on TV just as much as the P5, and it won't hurt their chances of being drafted high.

ECU I see more as a traditional tweener school like BYU and Houston that had a nice run in the past and traditionally has played a semi-power conference schedule. They've had good days in the past and earned respect. I'm not sure the conditions are in place however for their program to explode like 90% of their fans think.

So explain this logic to me.

How are the conditions in place for Boise? They are a small school, in a small state, a 37,000 stadium with declining attendance, the academics are nothing special, the population of the state is small, according to you the number of recruits a state produces is important and that also is small.

And you say the conditions are not in place for schools like Houston, ECU, and BYU who have access to much better resources.

Boise State has better resources than ECU and far more tradition. They've got an entire state behind them. Stadium is not as large but check out Boise's ticket prices. Other facilities are generally better than ECU.

Boise plays on the fact that outside of Oregon they've been the best program the last 15 years in the Northwest. They don't have the competition like there is back East with 1 zillion programs. ECU is a high quality G5 that competes every year in their conference but located in North Carolina is at a strategic disadvantage.

Houston they've had some great teams in the past and have that new stadium. They are facing a lot of new competitors instate with UTSA, Texas State and an upgraded North Texas with that new stadium. How are those programs any different at this point from Houston? Back in the day they weren't on the scene and Houston grabbed the surplus of recruits.

BYU is solid every year but with Utah in the PAC and the rise of Boise State they've lost their edge somewhat. They are physically built like a P5 school but are not attracting the pro style QB's anymore. Utah and Boise just were not on their level 20 years ago.

If Boise State had the entire State behind them then they would be called The University of Idaho at Boise State or they would be called Idaho State University. You are wrong. BSU will go no where until they are able to get the folks up North to stop blocking them. That little civil war is going to continue harming the State.

Boise State has 19,000 undergrads and Idaho has 9,000.

Its a weird situation where the market school flipped athletic dominance from the land grant due to its remote location. Idaho's lunch was stolen by Boise and eaten.

(10-22-2014 11:45 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:31 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:27 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:05 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:48 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  ECU I see more as a traditional tweener school like BYU and Houston that had a nice run in the past and traditionally has played a semi-power conference schedule. They've had good days in the past and earned respect. I'm not sure the conditions are in place however for their program to explode like 90% of their fans think.

So explain this logic to me.

How are the conditions in place for Boise? They are a small school, in a small state, a 37,000 stadium with declining attendance, the academics are nothing special, the population of the state is small, according to you the number of recruits a state produces is important and that also is small.

And you say the conditions are not in place for schools like Houston, ECU, and BYU who have access to much better resources.

Boise State has better resources than ECU and far more tradition. They've got an entire state behind them. Stadium is not as large but check out Boise's ticket prices. Other facilities are generally better than ECU.

Boise plays on the fact that outside of Oregon they've been the best program the last 15 years in the Northwest. They don't have the competition like there is back East with 1 zillion programs. ECU is a high quality G5 that competes every year in their conference but located in North Carolina is at a strategic disadvantage.

Houston they've had some great teams in the past and have that new stadium. They are facing a lot of new competitors instate with UTSA, Texas State and an upgraded North Texas with that new stadium. How are those programs any different at this point from Houston? Back in the day they weren't on the scene and Houston grabbed the surplus of recruits.

BYU is solid every year but with Utah in the PAC and the rise of Boise State they've lost their edge somewhat. They are physically built like a P5 school but are not attracting the pro style QB's anymore. Utah and Boise just were not on their level 20 years ago.

If Boise State had the entire State behind them then they would be called The University of Idaho at Boise State or they would be called Idaho State University. You are wrong. BSU will go no where until they are able to get the folks up North to stop blocking them. That little civil war is going to continue harming the State.

Boise State has 19,000 undergrads and Idaho has 9,000.

Its a weird situation where the market school flipped athletic dominance from the land grant due to its remote location. Idaho's lunch was stolen by Boise and eaten.

Yeah, I get it but enrollment doesn't equate to more respected. It is a very real civil war within the State of Idaho by all reports that I have seen. Getting the two sides to cooperate seems to be of very slim chances but it is necessary.

(10-22-2014 11:41 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Boise State's ONLY chance is to convince the State of Idaho to push a merging of The University of Idaho with Boise State thus creating The University of Idaho at Boise State. Then, after putting into place equivalent recruiting standards as other PAC Universities, perhaps Boise State might have a chance to fill out the final slot in the final major movement that is upcoming.

They are not the most likely choice though. Houston is much higher up on the list, as is ECU if the cards fall just right for ECU to benefit.

So if Boise State fans want to ramble on about their chances, they would be better off writing letters to influential people about the absolute necessity of bringing Boise State into the fold within the State of Idaho.

I didn't say anything about Boise State getting into the PAC. My point is they don't need to which is the entire premise of the thread because the MWC is a big time enough conference. They have access to plenty of post season opportunities to advance their program.

Houston I agree has a decent shot at joining a P5. It has the market, new stadium and academics.

ECU was one of the last schools picked for the AAC. There is not one directional public school in a power conference to date. They are a bigger enrollment school and with that East Coast location belong in there with UCF, USF and Temple. None of those schools fit well into the ACC with monster enrollments and the B12 with its pick of WVU is looking more at land grants to keep up the power conference image.

If the Big 12 was interested in expanding, they already would have. We can debate all day about why they aren't interested. That is a debate that has happened enough times already out here.

The only chance I see for ECU is a bit of a perfect storm happening within the negotiations going on right now between the Major Conferences and the Networks.

(10-23-2014 12:04 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:41 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Boise State's ONLY chance is to convince the State of Idaho to push a merging of The University of Idaho with Boise State thus creating The University of Idaho at Boise State. Then, after putting into place equivalent recruiting standards as other PAC Universities, perhaps Boise State might have a chance to fill out the final slot in the final major movement that is upcoming.

They are not the most likely choice though. Houston is much higher up on the list, as is ECU if the cards fall just right for ECU to benefit.

So if Boise State fans want to ramble on about their chances, they would be better off writing letters to influential people about the absolute necessity of bringing Boise State into the fold within the State of Idaho.

I didn't say anything about Boise State getting into the PAC. My point is they don't need to which is the entire premise of the thread because the MWC is a big time enough conference. They have access to plenty of post season opportunities to advance their program.

Houston I agree has a decent shot at joining a P5. It has the market, new stadium and academics.

ECU was one of the last schools picked for the AAC. There is not one directional public school in a power conference to date. They are a bigger enrollment school and with that East Coast location belong in there with UCF, USF and Temple. None of those schools fit well into the ACC with monster enrollments and the B12 with its pick of WVU is looking more at land grants to keep up the power conference image.

If the Big 12 was interested in expanding, they already would have. We can debate all day about why they aren't interested. That is a debate that has happened enough times already out here.

The only chance I see for ECU is a bit of a perfect storm happening within the negotiations going on right now between the Major Conferences and the Networks.

Like would ECU somehow get a shot the SEC? That is where I think they have some chance if they can grow their football program to 70,000 seats.

The B12 if it had to add two schools would be most comfortable with Cincinnati and UConn. They have power conference academics and storied basketball traditions. They've got the two best budgets in the AAC.

(10-23-2014 12:29 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 12:04 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:41 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Boise State's ONLY chance is to convince the State of Idaho to push a merging of The University of Idaho with Boise State thus creating The University of Idaho at Boise State. Then, after putting into place equivalent recruiting standards as other PAC Universities, perhaps Boise State might have a chance to fill out the final slot in the final major movement that is upcoming.

They are not the most likely choice though. Houston is much higher up on the list, as is ECU if the cards fall just right for ECU to benefit.

So if Boise State fans want to ramble on about their chances, they would be better off writing letters to influential people about the absolute necessity of bringing Boise State into the fold within the State of Idaho.

I didn't say anything about Boise State getting into the PAC. My point is they don't need to which is the entire premise of the thread because the MWC is a big time enough conference. They have access to plenty of post season opportunities to advance their program.

Houston I agree has a decent shot at joining a P5. It has the market, new stadium and academics.

ECU was one of the last schools picked for the AAC. There is not one directional public school in a power conference to date. They are a bigger enrollment school and with that East Coast location belong in there with UCF, USF and Temple. None of those schools fit well into the ACC with monster enrollments and the B12 with its pick of WVU is looking more at land grants to keep up the power conference image.

If the Big 12 was interested in expanding, they already would have. We can debate all day about why they aren't interested. That is a debate that has happened enough times already out here.

The only chance I see for ECU is a bit of a perfect storm happening within the negotiations going on right now between the Major Conferences and the Networks.

Like would ECU somehow get a shot the SEC? That is where I think they have some chance if they can grow their football program to 70,000 seats.

The B12 if it had to add two schools would be most comfortable with Cincinnati and UConn. They have power conference academics and storied basketball traditions. They've got the two best budgets in the AAC.

If I actually thought the Big 12 was expanding then I would think ECU would have a shot. ECU and UCF get them up and down the East Coast when added to WVU. Cincy looks good on paper but they have their limitations. UConn? For the Big 12? Nah.

The only real shot I see for ECU is with the SEC and that is a small shot. Im not going to go into the full scenario of it but I don't think the ACC would like that very much and as strange as it sounds, they will be able to affect that.

(10-21-2014 05:08 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Not to mention that some big time recruits are pampered, spoiled and egotistical (see Texas, perhaps Michigan). The raw tools don't always go to use or are overcome by a great effort.

See Jameis Winston

I could see North Carolina State and Virginia Tech going to the Big 12.
NC State to get separation from UNC like Texas and A&M.
Tech is more random but makes sense trying to upgrade football.
The ACC having an odd number and to many NC teams make it possible.

The momentum Texas A&M has to be attractive to a school like NC ST .
BYU or Cincinnati could be the number twelve if no second P5.

The PAC I think is done not any real candidates but they have the West to themselves.
Meaning they own states like Nevada,New Mexico and Idaho among others without adding teams.

(10-22-2014 11:27 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:05 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 11:48 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 09:51 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  I wouldn't say the power conferences are "dying."

I do think you will see more highly-ranked recruits start going to the top G5 programs, though. The 24/7 media cycle means that G5 schools are on TV just as much as the P5, and it won't hurt their chances of being drafted high.

ECU I see more as a traditional tweener school like BYU and Houston that had a nice run in the past and traditionally has played a semi-power conference schedule. They've had good days in the past and earned respect. I'm not sure the conditions are in place however for their program to explode like 90% of their fans think.

So explain this logic to me.

How are the conditions in place for Boise? They are a small school, in a small state, a 37,000 stadium with declining attendance, the academics are nothing special, the population of the state is small, according to you the number of recruits a state produces is important and that also is small.

And you say the conditions are not in place for schools like Houston, ECU, and BYU who have access to much better resources.

Boise State has better resources than ECU and far more tradition. They've got an entire state behind them. Stadium is not as large but check out Boise's ticket prices. Other facilities are generally better than ECU.

(10-23-2014 05:15 AM)MJG Wrote:  I could see North Carolina State and Virginia Tech going to the Big 12.
NC State to get separation from UNC like Texas and A&M.
Tech is more random but makes sense trying to upgrade football.
The ACC having an odd number and to many NC teams make it possible.

The momentum Texas A&M has to be attractive to a school like NC ST .
BYU or Cincinnati could be the number twelve if no second P5.

The PAC I think is done not any real candidates but they have the West to themselves.
Meaning they own states like Nevada,New Mexico and Idaho among others without adding teams.

Neither NC State nor VT are interested in the B12. It would not be an "upgrade". In fact what it would be is crazy as Texas rakes in nearly three times the revenue as VT or NC State. OU rakes in almost twice. Why would NC State or VT move from a position where they are $15 - $20 million a year behind ND, FSU, UNC, and UVa in annual revenue to become $50 - $90 million behind OU and Texas?