(08-15-2014 02:19 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:56 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:46 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:31 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:16 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I for one am sick and tired of this notion sweeping our country that sides with criminality. You see it with liberals and libertarians. Quick to blame the police. Quick to give the criminal a pass.

Oh, please.

And what do you call people who mindlessly defend out-of-control cops?

I've yet to see a story where anyone defended any out-of-control cops...

Watch how quickly your bestie okie calls out anyone criticizing them.

These cops aren't out of control, they've had to step up in a situation that the town made by looting, rioting, and burning everything down, not to mention the death threats. I'm not down with these guys being criticized either. Maybe it could be handled better than it has been, but this is their first rodeo and deserve a break from the bashing they're getting. Just my opinion.

The cops were there with their tanks, armored personnel carriers, helicopters, scatter-noise emission cannons, riot shields, lasers-targeted sniper rifles, and automated weapons of every variety BEFORE the rioting started. They were brought in for peaceful protests that quickly devolved into riots.

It's also not their first rodeo ever. These people receive weeks and months of extensive training and hundreds of thousands, MILLIONS of our tax dollars. I expect them to be prepared and perform their job perfectly

(08-15-2014 02:31 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  But here's the thing, if people want to protest something (without waiting for the investigation to conclude), they had better do it the right way. There is no need to cover your face or act like a fool or loot or riot.

Just like the ones that actually protested in front of the Ferguson PD the night of the other "riot/protest".. No riot issues, no masks, nothing wrong. And they were allowed to continue as long as they wanted, with NO police intervention required.

(08-15-2014 02:48 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 02:31 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  But here's the thing, if people want to protest something (without waiting for the investigation to conclude), they had better do it the right way. There is no need to cover your face or act like a fool or loot or riot.

Just like the ones that actually protested in front of the Ferguson PD the night of the other "riot/protest".. No riot issues, no masks, nothing wrong. And they were allowed to continue as long as they wanted, with NO police intervention required.

These are the people who really cared about the case and their country's justice system doing the right thing, not the ones who came later and threw bricks through windows, blocked streets, and burned buildings.

(08-15-2014 02:47 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 02:19 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:56 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:46 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:31 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Oh, please.

And what do you call people who mindlessly defend out-of-control cops?

I've yet to see a story where anyone defended any out-of-control cops...

Watch how quickly your bestie okie calls out anyone criticizing them.

These cops aren't out of control, they've had to step up in a situation that the town made by looting, rioting, and burning everything down, not to mention the death threats. I'm not down with these guys being criticized either. Maybe it could be handled better than it has been, but this is their first rodeo and deserve a break from the bashing they're getting. Just my opinion.

The cops were there with their tanks, armored personnel carriers, helicopters, scatter-noise emission cannons, riot shields, lasers-targeted sniper rifles, and automated weapons of every variety BEFORE the rioting started. They were brought in for peaceful protests that quickly devolved into riots.

It's also not their first rodeo ever. These people receive weeks and months of extensive training and hundreds of thousands, MILLIONS of our tax dollars. I expect them to be prepared and perform their job perfectly

I haven't heard about that part...


But just as we are trained to be highly skilled military soldiers, it's never the same as being in an actual scenario. The training is only good enough to get you prepped so you don't go shart yourself and start shooting everyone at the sound of a pop gun.

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/201.../14118769/

Family and friends (and "friends") claim police are smearing the victim's image... Maybe not...

(08-15-2014 02:56 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/201.../14118769/

Family and friends (and "friends") claim police are smearing the victim's image... Maybe not...

I love it (not really)... Police are "smearing the victim's image" by telling facts... What about the victim of assault that was driving the cop car, his image will be forever smeared... All over a box of cigars that the suspects had stolen.


And what is this? I got it out of your link...

Brown's uncle says if Wilson really had believed Brown was a suspect, he wouldn't have just told him to get out of the street. Either way, he says, it doesn't justify the shooting.

(08-15-2014 01:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 12:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  The witnesses that's stories go along with his buddy's story, and they came forward days later.. Then there's this other witness that will only talk to the feds..

Then there's the autopsy... Which will show where he was shot and how many times.. Which makes me wonder why a second autopsy was ordered by the family..

The autopsy won't lie, if it proves he was shot in the back with a 9mm at 35 feet, it's pretty clear.. But here's a crazy thought, what if it shows the entry wound was at the top of the shoulder and exited the back..

Why don't we wait for the facts before we start ASSuming things?

Where have I said I'm assuming anything?

(08-15-2014 01:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Why don't we wait for the facts before we start ASSuming things?

That would have been a noble statement had it been made A WEEK AGO!!

(08-15-2014 02:47 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 12:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Then there's the autopsy... Which will show where he was shot and how many times.. Which makes me wonder why a second autopsy was ordered by the family..

The autopsy won't lie, if it proves he was shot in the back with a 9mm at 35 feet, it's pretty clear.. But here's a crazy thought, what if it shows the entry wound was at the top of the shoulder and exited the back..

Gdunn... i don't see that as an "uncommon" occurrence. They may have questions about which shot was actually the shot that killed Mr. Brown.

Or they may have concerns about the integrity of the coroner who did the original decision.

Or it could be that they didnt' get the result they wanted to hear.

This request could be any of the three.

That makes sense.. I just didn't know why a second was requested.

(08-15-2014 02:47 PM)TPBlaze84 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 02:19 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:56 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:46 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:31 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Oh, please.

And what do you call people who mindlessly defend out-of-control cops?

I've yet to see a story where anyone defended any out-of-control cops...

Watch how quickly your bestie okie calls out anyone criticizing them.

These cops aren't out of control, they've had to step up in a situation that the town made by looting, rioting, and burning everything down, not to mention the death threats. I'm not down with these guys being criticized either. Maybe it could be handled better than it has been, but this is their first rodeo and deserve a break from the bashing they're getting. Just my opinion.

The cops were there with their tanks, armored personnel carriers, helicopters, scatter-noise emission cannons, riot shields, lasers-targeted sniper rifles, and automated weapons of every variety BEFORE the rioting started. They were brought in for peaceful protests that quickly devolved into riots.

It's also not their first rodeo ever. These people receive weeks and months of extensive training and hundreds of thousands, MILLIONS of our tax dollars. I expect them to be prepared and perform their job perfectly

The more we have "protests" where people fire guns and throw Molotovs at the police, the more credibility is given to having not just a SWAT, but a generally militarized force. And that's unfortunate and plays into the statists dreams.

(08-15-2014 03:22 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 02:47 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 12:00 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Then there's the autopsy... Which will show where he was shot and how many times.. Which makes me wonder why a second autopsy was ordered by the family..

The autopsy won't lie, if it proves he was shot in the back with a 9mm at 35 feet, it's pretty clear.. But here's a crazy thought, what if it shows the entry wound was at the top of the shoulder and exited the back..

Gdunn... i don't see that as an "uncommon" occurrence. They may have questions about which shot was actually the shot that killed Mr. Brown.

Or they may have concerns about the integrity of the coroner who did the original decision.

Or it could be that they didnt' get the result they wanted to hear.

This request could be any of the three.

That makes sense.. I just didn't know why a second was requested.

My first guess would be because the angles and reports of the first were unsatisfactory and leaned in favor of the cop's story, which ties into the second option offered up... Third would be the shot that actually killed Brown, which seems to be a hard one to tell.

You need more police the anger the people are....

You also need more and harder equipment the angrier and more suppressed the population feels...

(08-15-2014 01:00 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 11:47 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  According to witnesses, he was running away when he was shot. What justifies shooting someone who is running away?

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Cowardice in this situation. What makes you think this is true?

I don't know if this is true. What makes you think that I think it's true?

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So if we're putting the pieces together, this guy robbed a store and then walked down the middle of the street blocking traffic.

Do these actions deserve a death penalty? No. (Note: Don't know the true details yet of what took place with the officer. If he did rush him and tried to grab his gun, then the cop's action was justified)

But ultimately, he chose a path of criminality that includes a high risk of things ending badly for him. If he paid for a few cigars and walked along a sidewalk, he'd be alive today.

It's too bad he died, yes. But forget "vigils" and "memorials." Save those for cancer victims, abducted girls, etc.

(08-15-2014 04:00 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  So if we're putting the pieces together, this guy robbed a store and then walked down the middle of the street blocking traffic.

Do these actions deserve a death penalty? No.

But ultimately, he chose a path of criminality that includes a high risk of things ending badly for him. If he paid for a few cigars and walked along a sidewalk, he'd be alive today.

It's too bad he died, yes. But forget "vigils" and "memorials." Save those for cancer victims, abducted girls, etc.

So who's fault is it he is dead?

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(08-15-2014 04:06 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 04:00 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  So if we're putting the pieces together, this guy robbed a store and then walked down the middle of the street blocking traffic.

Do these actions deserve a death penalty? No.

But ultimately, he chose a path of criminality that includes a high risk of things ending badly for him. If he paid for a few cigars and walked along a sidewalk, he'd be alive today.

It's too bad he died, yes. But forget "vigils" and "memorials." Save those for cancer victims, abducted girls, etc.

So who's fault is it he is dead?

Undetermined until we find out exactly what went on in/near the cop car. And we may never know the truth.

But my point is that if you choose a more civil "good citizen" lifestyle (don't strong-arm rob convenience stores, don't roam the middle of streets blocking traffic), your chances of avoiding bad situations increases greatly.

He can't even use the "I stole food and pushed around the old clerk because we're dirt poor and I'm desperate" excuse. I mean... cigars?

(08-15-2014 04:06 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 04:00 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  So if we're putting the pieces together, this guy robbed a store and then walked down the middle of the street blocking traffic.

Do these actions deserve a death penalty? No.

But ultimately, he chose a path of criminality that includes a high risk of things ending badly for him. If he paid for a few cigars and walked along a sidewalk, he'd be alive today.

It's too bad he died, yes. But forget "vigils" and "memorials." Save those for cancer victims, abducted girls, etc.

So who's fault is it he is dead?

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Clearly the guns.

(08-15-2014 04:06 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 04:00 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  So if we're putting the pieces together, this guy robbed a store and then walked down the middle of the street blocking traffic.

Do these actions deserve a death penalty? No.

But ultimately, he chose a path of criminality that includes a high risk of things ending badly for him. If he paid for a few cigars and walked along a sidewalk, he'd be alive today.

It's too bad he died, yes. But forget "vigils" and "memorials." Save those for cancer victims, abducted girls, etc.

So who's fault is it he is dead?

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His own. Or perhaps his friend's if his friend talked him into robbing that store for a box of smoke. If not for that, he'd still be alive today. Possibly. But he'd never have been shot by that cop.

(08-15-2014 04:24 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 04:06 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 04:00 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  So if we're putting the pieces together, this guy robbed a store and then walked down the middle of the street blocking traffic.

Do these actions deserve a death penalty? No.

But ultimately, he chose a path of criminality that includes a high risk of things ending badly for him. If he paid for a few cigars and walked along a sidewalk, he'd be alive today.

It's too bad he died, yes. But forget "vigils" and "memorials." Save those for cancer victims, abducted girls, etc.

So who's fault is it he is dead?

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His own. Or perhaps his friend's if his friend talked him into robbing that store for a box of smoke. If not for that, he'd still be alive today. Possibly. But he'd never have been shot by that cop.

According to the chief of police the cop who shot him had no idea he was the suspect in the robbery and you are saying this was because of the robbery? I am curious how you made that connection.

(08-15-2014 04:35 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  According to the chief of police the cop who shot him had no idea he was the suspect in the robbery and you are saying this was because of the robbery? I am curious how you made that connection.

The chief said that the robbery was not the reason for the initial contact. He did not speak as to what the officer knew. That is further stated in the WaPo.