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Tell these kids the big sky is better...I'm sorry WKUYG I didn't see western on here! Must be those freebies that made an atmosphere kids can't pass on.

(08-03-2014 11:08 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  https://mobile.twitter.com/GaryRWReport/...04/photo/1

Tell these kids the big sky is better...I'm sorry WKUYG I didn't see western on here! Must be those freebies that made an atmosphere kids can't pass on.

You do realize that rankings are based off of total numbers? also you can't argue recruiting to me...

don't believe in the star system and I said the same when Western was at the top of the list in CUSA/SBC/AAC recruiting at some point last year.

When most of us can name 5x more untalented (according to recruiting rags) kids that became stars at our programs over the few higher rated recruits we all get from time to time...mostly from transfers.

Nope it's about useless

Let me guess official attendance is useless too?

(08-03-2014 11:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:08 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  https://mobile.twitter.com/GaryRWReport/...04/photo/1

Tell these kids the big sky is better...I'm sorry WKUYG I didn't see western on here! Must be those freebies that made an atmosphere kids can't pass on.

You do realize that rankings are based off of total numbers? also you can't argue recruiting to me...

don't believe in the star system and I said the same when Western was at the top of the list in CUSA/SBC/AAC recruiting at some point last year.

When most of us can name 5x more untalented (according to recruiting rags) kids that became stars at our programs over the few higher rated recruits we all get from time to time...mostly from transfers.

Nope it's about useless

That's unfortunate because our best players have been HS recruits. That's why recruiting is great! Your right scout n rivals are not perfect. But having 20 commits by season beginning is the point!

(08-03-2014 11:35 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:08 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  https://mobile.twitter.com/GaryRWReport/...04/photo/1

Tell these kids the big sky is better...I'm sorry WKUYG I didn't see western on here! Must be those freebies that made an atmosphere kids can't pass on.

You do realize that rankings are based off of total numbers? also you can't argue recruiting to me...

don't believe in the star system and I said the same when Western was at the top of the list in CUSA/SBC/AAC recruiting at some point last year.

When most of us can name 5x more untalented (according to recruiting rags) kids that became stars at our programs over the few higher rated recruits we all get from time to time...mostly from transfers.

Nope it's about useless

That's unfortunate because our best players have been HS recruits. That's why recruiting is great! Your right scout n rivals are not perfect. But having 20 commits by season beginning is the point!

A commitment is OK but it's far from a signed LOI and from there 2 to 5 won't make it to school and from the rest 3 to 5 would make it past their first year and from the rest 3-5 will transfer in 2 years.

Honestly I don't care ANYTHING about recruiting...

once they play Is the point I start caring and as I pointed even then a lot won't be there in 2 years.

As for your post about attendance....

I gues money oesn't matter to ASU because you sure aren't getting any bang for the buck for those butts.

ASU 1.3 mil in ticket sales and donation WKU 5+ million for 2013

(08-03-2014 10:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 10:30 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I'm of the mind that until you are selling out consistently, your tickets are overpriced. I said that about Texas State multiple times.

The way to get your folks on board is to get them in on the cheap, show them how much fun and how great an atmosphere you create, and then when demand calls for it, raise the price (or expand... either/or).

But it devalues your tickets and it's hard to get that value back up even when you win...as in ASU's case

we can't compete with TV dollars but we all have the same shot at getting the millions from donations and tickets

Those same fans that takes the freebies or rock bottom discount tickets are never going to buy a ticket if it's goes up. They will always want the cheap ticket.

TXST is a lot different than ASU...30,000 students and a student fee even a small one can bring in millions.

I've talked to a number of new season ticket holders at Western and I can tell you once you join HAF (donation for season tickets) and get that season ticket it makes you feel like you are part of the program.

The FREEBIE ticket will never see that

AState's AD would tell you that you don't know what you are talking about. Right now AState has around $800,000 in new premium seating commitments signed (seven year agreement).

AState by generating buzz from success and crowds is now cashing in. $400,000 X 7 years in suite income and at least $400,000 x 7 years in club and loge box seating.

And one more thing about passing out freebies.

They can help build demand.

2005 AState sold 3,210 season tickets.
2013 AState sold 8,418 season tickets and our sales guy expects to top that this year.

Of course the thing is very few of our "freebies" were ever free. They were discounted sales to businesses who passed them out.

It's a terrible strategy of course.

When I was a small wolf pup we lived in Fort Smith. My parent regularly attended Razorback games and the only time they bought tickets were for bowl games. The Hogs had 38,000 seats in Fayetteville and had to give tickets away until the 69 Shootout with Texas (and have used freebies from time to time since Jack Crowe and Danny Ford era).

They now have 72,000 seats in Fayetteville and they are consistently in the top 30 in the nation in attendance and top 20 in revenue, but they built their fan base by selling in bulk, same thing AState is doing now.

spin control from a Commissioner who knows in the long term his conference is in serious trouble as is every other FCS conference, he is just trying to reassure his schools and the fans that everything is okay, but deep down he knows that if things continue on there present course they could end up a division 2 conference. Nobody is buying the crap he is saying, especially the members from his own conference.

(08-04-2014 08:16 AM)moehler Wrote:  spin control from a Commissioner who knows in the long term his conference is in serious trouble as is every other FCS conference, he is just trying to reassure his schools and the fans that everything is okay, but deep down he knows that if things continue on there present course they could end up a division 2 conference. Nobody is buying the crap he is saying, especially the members from his own conference.

This. The FCS has been headed backwards from the first defections of playoff teams like Boise, ArkSt, MT, Marshall etc back in the 80's and 90's. NDSU is the exception in regards to the teams from DIV II that have come up. Usually it is a Campbell Camel or Presbyterian. They have lost voting power and when FBS scholarships are expanded it will be the death nail. The Montana's and other schools that might be able to afford it will be shouted down by the schools just barely able to fund partial scholarship teams.

(08-03-2014 11:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:35 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:08 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  https://mobile.twitter.com/GaryRWReport/...04/photo/1

Tell these kids the big sky is better...I'm sorry WKUYG I didn't see western on here! Must be those freebies that made an atmosphere kids can't pass on.

You do realize that rankings are based off of total numbers? also you can't argue recruiting to me...

don't believe in the star system and I said the same when Western was at the top of the list in CUSA/SBC/AAC recruiting at some point last year.

When most of us can name 5x more untalented (according to recruiting rags) kids that became stars at our programs over the few higher rated recruits we all get from time to time...mostly from transfers.

Nope it's about useless

That's unfortunate because our best players have been HS recruits. That's why recruiting is great! Your right scout n rivals are not perfect. But having 20 commits by season beginning is the point!

A commitment is OK but it's far from a signed LOI and from there 2 to 5 won't make it to school and from the rest 3 to 5 would make it past their first year and from the rest 3-5 will transfer in 2 years.

Honestly I don't care ANYTHING about recruiting...

once they play Is the point I start caring and as I pointed even then a lot won't be there in 2 years.

As for your post about attendance....

I gues money oesn't matter to ASU because you sure aren't getting any bang for the buck for those butts.

ASU 1.3 mil in ticket sales and donation WKU 5+ million for 2013

Don't care about recruiting = if you don't see your behind the curve you don't feel so bad? LOL. WKU who might average 15k fans in the stands is talking money! you can't make this chit up

(08-04-2014 02:27 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  And one more thing about passing out freebies.

They can help build demand.

2005 AState sold 3,210 season tickets.
2013 AState sold 8,418 season tickets and our sales guy expects to top that this year.

Of course the thing is very few of our "freebies" were ever free. They were discounted sales to businesses who passed them out.

It's a terrible strategy of course.

When I was a small wolf pup we lived in Fort Smith. My parent regularly attended Razorback games and the only time they bought tickets were for bowl games. The Hogs had 38,000 seats in Fayetteville and had to give tickets away until the 69 Shootout with Texas (and have used freebies from time to time since Jack Crowe and Danny Ford era).

They now have 72,000 seats in Fayetteville and they are consistently in the top 30 in the nation in attendance and top 20 in revenue, but they built their fan base by selling in bulk, same thing AState is doing now.

one thing that helped was that the hogs left the swc and home games changed from houston and rice and smu and tcu to games with sec teams...much better draws.

(08-04-2014 02:27 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  And one more thing about passing out freebies.

They can help build demand.

2005 AState sold 3,210 season tickets.
2013 AState sold 8,418 season tickets and our sales guy expects to top that this year.

Of course the thing is very few of our "freebies" were ever free. They were discounted sales to businesses who passed them out.

It's a terrible strategy of course.

When I was a small wolf pup we lived in Fort Smith. My parent regularly attended Razorback games and the only time they bought tickets were for bowl games. The Hogs had 38,000 seats in Fayetteville and had to give tickets away until the 69 Shootout with Texas (and have used freebies from time to time since Jack Crowe and Danny Ford era).

They now have 72,000 seats in Fayetteville and they are consistently in the top 30 in the nation in attendance and top 20 in revenue, but they built their fan base by selling in bulk, same thing AState is doing now.

Friend of mine was given a double stack of "Military Appreciation Day" tickets at War Memorial. He was told to hand them out to military personnel (wink wink). They still didn't sell out.

(08-04-2014 04:38 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:35 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:08 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  https://mobile.twitter.com/GaryRWReport/...04/photo/1

Tell these kids the big sky is better...I'm sorry WKUYG I didn't see western on here! Must be those freebies that made an atmosphere kids can't pass on.

You do realize that rankings are based off of total numbers? also you can't argue recruiting to me...

don't believe in the star system and I said the same when Western was at the top of the list in CUSA/SBC/AAC recruiting at some point last year.

When most of us can name 5x more untalented (according to recruiting rags) kids that became stars at our programs over the few higher rated recruits we all get from time to time...mostly from transfers.

Nope it's about useless

That's unfortunate because our best players have been HS recruits. That's why recruiting is great! Your right scout n rivals are not perfect. But having 20 commits by season beginning is the point!

A commitment is OK but it's far from a signed LOI and from there 2 to 5 won't make it to school and from the rest 3 to 5 would make it past their first year and from the rest 3-5 will transfer in 2 years.

Honestly I don't care ANYTHING about recruiting...

once they play Is the point I start caring and as I pointed even then a lot won't be there in 2 years.

As for your post about attendance....

I gues money oesn't matter to ASU because you sure aren't getting any bang for the buck for those butts.

ASU 1.3 mil in ticket sales and donation WKU 5+ million for 2013

Don't care about recruiting = if you don't see your behind the curve you don't feel so bad? LOL. WKU who might average 15k fans in the stands is talking money! you can't make this chit up

You might care about recruiting I don't and ASU with their 26+ fans....

1.2 million

WKU with our 18k

2.1 million

What does that tell you?

FREEBIES and a ton of them for ASU...HEY GATES OPEN lets go in. Either that or ASU gave anyone who returned a coke can a ticket.

Or maybe...some fudging is going on with that 26,000 lots and lots of it

A blind man could see one of two things...
ASU giving tickets away

fudging the numbers....lot and lots

(08-04-2014 06:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 04:38 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:35 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  You do realize that rankings are based off of total numbers? also you can't argue recruiting to me...

don't believe in the star system and I said the same when Western was at the top of the list in CUSA/SBC/AAC recruiting at some point last year.

When most of us can name 5x more untalented (according to recruiting rags) kids that became stars at our programs over the few higher rated recruits we all get from time to time...mostly from transfers.

Nope it's about useless

That's unfortunate because our best players have been HS recruits. That's why recruiting is great! Your right scout n rivals are not perfect. But having 20 commits by season beginning is the point!

A commitment is OK but it's far from a signed LOI and from there 2 to 5 won't make it to school and from the rest 3 to 5 would make it past their first year and from the rest 3-5 will transfer in 2 years.

Honestly I don't care ANYTHING about recruiting...

once they play Is the point I start caring and as I pointed even then a lot won't be there in 2 years.

As for your post about attendance....

I gues money oesn't matter to ASU because you sure aren't getting any bang for the buck for those butts.

ASU 1.3 mil in ticket sales and donation WKU 5+ million for 2013

Don't care about recruiting = if you don't see your behind the curve you don't feel so bad? LOL. WKU who might average 15k fans in the stands is talking money! you can't make this chit up

You might care about recruiting I don't and ASU with their 26+ fans....

1.2 million

WKU with our 18k

2.1 million

What does that tell you?

FREEBIES and a ton of them for ASU...HEY GATES OPEN lets go in. Either that or ASU gave anyone who returned a coke can a ticket.

Or maybe...some fudging is going on with that 26,000 lots and lots of it

I'd be careful continuing to link statistics involving our football team. The last couple were debunked on our board with explanations of why they look that way.

(08-04-2014 06:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 06:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 04:38 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:35 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  That's unfortunate because our best players have been HS recruits. That's why recruiting is great! Your right scout n rivals are not perfect. But having 20 commits by season beginning is the point!

A commitment is OK but it's far from a signed LOI and from there 2 to 5 won't make it to school and from the rest 3 to 5 would make it past their first year and from the rest 3-5 will transfer in 2 years.

Honestly I don't care ANYTHING about recruiting...

once they play Is the point I start caring and as I pointed even then a lot won't be there in 2 years.

As for your post about attendance....

I gues money oesn't matter to ASU because you sure aren't getting any bang for the buck for those butts.

ASU 1.3 mil in ticket sales and donation WKU 5+ million for 2013

Don't care about recruiting = if you don't see your behind the curve you don't feel so bad? LOL. WKU who might average 15k fans in the stands is talking money! you can't make this chit up

You might care about recruiting I don't and ASU with their 26+ fans....

1.2 million

WKU with our 18k

2.1 million

What does that tell you?

FREEBIES and a ton of them for ASU...HEY GATES OPEN lets go in. Either that or ASU gave anyone who returned a coke can a ticket.

Or maybe...some fudging is going on with that 26,000 lots and lots of it

I'd be careful continuing to link statistics involving our football team. The last couple were debunked on our board with explanations of why they look that way.

Always some excuse?

At ASU we don't show our numbers
At ASU we don't have to report like everyone else
At ASU we have more money we just don't like showing people

All I see is excuses and no matter if ASU isn't reporting everything...

what you did report shows you are selling tickets for on average less than $8.

over on the Montana message board, they were discussing the merits of moving up or staying put, they brought up a good point I didn't really think of, that even a powerhouse FCS program like Montana doesn't have the funding to make a move, and with budget cuts from the state, it probably will be many, many years before they could raise enough money. Point is, we all assume that the bigger FCS programs would move immediately if given the chance, but with the current state of the economy, and severe budget cuts from their states, it might not be a point of whether they should move up, but rather can they move up when the opportunity presents itself.

(08-04-2014 06:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 06:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 04:38 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:35 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  That's unfortunate because our best players have been HS recruits. That's why recruiting is great! Your right scout n rivals are not perfect. But having 20 commits by season beginning is the point!

A commitment is OK but it's far from a signed LOI and from there 2 to 5 won't make it to school and from the rest 3 to 5 would make it past their first year and from the rest 3-5 will transfer in 2 years.

Honestly I don't care ANYTHING about recruiting...

once they play Is the point I start caring and as I pointed even then a lot won't be there in 2 years.

As for your post about attendance....

I gues money oesn't matter to ASU because you sure aren't getting any bang for the buck for those butts.

ASU 1.3 mil in ticket sales and donation WKU 5+ million for 2013

Don't care about recruiting = if you don't see your behind the curve you don't feel so bad? LOL. WKU who might average 15k fans in the stands is talking money! you can't make this chit up

You might care about recruiting I don't and ASU with their 26+ fans....

1.2 million

WKU with our 18k

2.1 million

What does that tell you?

FREEBIES and a ton of them for ASU...HEY GATES OPEN lets go in. Either that or ASU gave anyone who returned a coke can a ticket.

Or maybe...some fudging is going on with that 26,000 lots and lots of it

I'd be careful continuing to link statistics involving our football team. The last couple were debunked on our board with explanations of why they look that way.

You understand that you are being trolled right? No matter what you say it is just going to be further troll food, giving it an opportunity to just repeat itself over and over. The best bet is for everyone to stop interacting with it.

(08-04-2014 06:43 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 06:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 06:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 04:38 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  A commitment is OK but it's far from a signed LOI and from there 2 to 5 won't make it to school and from the rest 3 to 5 would make it past their first year and from the rest 3-5 will transfer in 2 years.

Honestly I don't care ANYTHING about recruiting...

once they play Is the point I start caring and as I pointed even then a lot won't be there in 2 years.

As for your post about attendance....

I gues money oesn't matter to ASU because you sure aren't getting any bang for the buck for those butts.

ASU 1.3 mil in ticket sales and donation WKU 5+ million for 2013

Don't care about recruiting = if you don't see your behind the curve you don't feel so bad? LOL. WKU who might average 15k fans in the stands is talking money! you can't make this chit up

You might care about recruiting I don't and ASU with their 26+ fans....

1.2 million

WKU with our 18k

2.1 million

What does that tell you?

FREEBIES and a ton of them for ASU...HEY GATES OPEN lets go in. Either that or ASU gave anyone who returned a coke can a ticket.

Or maybe...some fudging is going on with that 26,000 lots and lots of it

I'd be careful continuing to link statistics involving our football team. The last couple were debunked on our board with explanations of why they look that way.

Always some excuse?

At ASU we don't show our numbers
At ASU we don't have to report like everyone else
At ASU we have more money we just don't like showing people

All I see is excuses and no matter if ASU isn't reporting everything...

what you did report shows you are selling tickets for on average less than $8.

And we also averaged 7K more per game thank WKU did. If you don't like it, perhaps maybe WKU should give out freebies. Or perhaps...you already are, its just not as advertised as we do. FYI, 8 dollars is half price from regular tickets. That was what our group rate was here for years.

You go after our reported donations when its been explained to you ad nausea that Arkansas law says you only report donations that go directly into your athletics program. You don't report what was given to your major fundraising arm. We have millions in that bank account.

Your only baseless belief is that our way of doing things is unsustainable because we don't increase ticket buyers...yet your own data shows that ticket sales have gone up at a crazy rate in the last 4 years.

(08-04-2014 06:49 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 06:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 06:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 04:38 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  

(08-03-2014 11:45 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  A commitment is OK but it's far from a signed LOI and from there 2 to 5 won't make it to school and from the rest 3 to 5 would make it past their first year and from the rest 3-5 will transfer in 2 years.

Honestly I don't care ANYTHING about recruiting...

once they play Is the point I start caring and as I pointed even then a lot won't be there in 2 years.

As for your post about attendance....

I gues money oesn't matter to ASU because you sure aren't getting any bang for the buck for those butts.

ASU 1.3 mil in ticket sales and donation WKU 5+ million for 2013

Don't care about recruiting = if you don't see your behind the curve you don't feel so bad? LOL. WKU who might average 15k fans in the stands is talking money! you can't make this chit up

You might care about recruiting I don't and ASU with their 26+ fans....

1.2 million

WKU with our 18k

2.1 million

What does that tell you?

FREEBIES and a ton of them for ASU...HEY GATES OPEN lets go in. Either that or ASU gave anyone who returned a coke can a ticket.

Or maybe...some fudging is going on with that 26,000 lots and lots of it

I'd be careful continuing to link statistics involving our football team. The last couple were debunked on our board with explanations of why they look that way.

You understand that you are being trolled right? No matter what you say it is just going to be further troll food, giving it an opportunity to just repeat itself over and over. The best bet is for everyone to stop interacting with it.

Yes, I'm very aware. But I like feeding the trolls...always makes for a good show.

(08-04-2014 06:52 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Yes, I'm very aware. But I like feeding the trolls...always makes for a good show.

Me too. But this one is a one-trick pony.