(06-28-2014 11:14 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 11:01 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Tillis wasn't conservative enough!!

That is hard to believe given his record in the General Assembly.

The tax structure in NC is a joke. The GOP re-worked it in a revenue neutral approach so they kept high taxes just rearranged the sources. NC gasoline tax @38cents/gallon is among the highest in the nation but only 25% of the revenue goes for highways. Again the NC GOP proposed an additional mileage tax because the NC highway trust fund is broke. Simple solution use gasoline tax revenues for highways and don't raise taxes. Also Governor McCrory got approval to take $25million from the highway trust fund to use for non-highway related spending.

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(06-28-2014 09:50 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  The final 1/3 is the liberty wing (read: libertarian leaning) faction. These are almost all new blood. This is the way forward if you want the GOP to actually stand for something and present meaningful policy solutions. Amash, Massie, Mulvaney, Walter Jones, Posey, Yoho, Huelskamp, McClintock, Labrador, Bentivolio, Graves, Scott Garrett, Broun, Schweikert, Paul, Cruz, and Sanford. If the GOP resembled that bunch, you wouldn't have to worry much about libertarians running any more.

Add Dr Carson and Allen West to the list and you nailed it.

(06-28-2014 06:50 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 06:48 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Irony!!! The pop up ad on my Spin Room main page was a Kay Hagan add.

those ads are surf history sensitive. you get so upset that you gave her money?

I have never searched for a UNC MBA program yet that stupid, holier than thou ad shows up 90% of the time. It has to be geographically based as well.

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(06-28-2014 09:50 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I find the establishment GOP paranoia over libertarian types, and particularly the indignation over "stolen" votes quote amusing.

A few observations:
1) Historically, libertarian candidates skew slightly Democrat in exit polling. This holds true with the latest "plot against the GOP" in Sarvis running for Governor of Virginia.

2) Usually if a libertarian is doing particularly well in a three way field, the GOP candidate has gone full retard on social issues. This holds true for Sarvis again ... as the GOP candidate openly supported sodomy laws. Let me say that again: The GOP candidate thought it was okay for oral and anal intercourse to be illegal. In major politics no matter how backwoods and Bible thumpin' you can get ... openly saying that is tantamount to loading a gun, pointing it at yourself, and squeezing the trigger.

3) For a party that, in theory and rhetoric, prides itself on free market principles and competition .... this obsession with eliminating choice and competition in the from of third parties is particularly puzzling/hypocritical. If GOP candidates and lawyers concentrated as hard on balancing budgets as they did filing legal challenges to third parties and complaining about them, maybe we'd be balanced by now.

4) Blaming other people and eschewing responsibility is, at least in THEORY, the Democrat way. But when it comes to close loses where a third party did well... the GOP once again gets hypocritical. It is always the libertarian's fault ... never the GOP's. *roll eyes* If the GOP loses a competitive or favorable districts ... one or more of the following is *ALWAYS* the reason why:
- They went full retard on social issues (See: Akin, Angle, VA Governor, etc)
- They support the drug war on marijuana ... a deeply unpopular opinion getting more deeply unpopular every day
- They are against gay people being able to marry ... a deeply unpopular opinion getting more deeply unpopular every day
- They support offensive wars overseas ... a deeply unpopular opinion which Democrats have kindly neutralized by doing the same for the most part
- They are against comprehensive immigration reform (which MUST include a path of citizenship and work visas) .... a deeply unpopular opinion getting more unpopular as latin minorities continue to grow. I'm not saying amnesty ... but I'm also saying you're certifiable if you think we can round up 7,000,000 people and deport them, to say nothing of what you'd be doing to communities and families in the process if you actually were foolish enough to try.


If you want to be a relevant party nationally, you need to re-evaluate what faction of the party you want to listen to. The road to ruin is the one you're already on... the one run by Boehner, McConnell, McCain, and Graham. They are 1/3 of the GOP elected officials... but nearly 100% of leadership. They are the country club, chamber of commerce, special interest sellout, military industrial complex beholden, Dem-lites. The people who make it pretty damn easy to conclude this nation is run by one party. The pricks in charge change affiliation ... but no meaningful policy actually changes.

You've got another 1/3 of the elected officials with no guiding principles or moral compass ... like a flag they fall where the breeze is. They do whatever leadership asks, and fall in line only when the yelling at home is loud enough.

The final 1/3 is the liberty wing (read: libertarian leaning) faction. These are almost all new blood. This is the way forward if you want the GOP to actually stand for something and present meaningful policy solutions. Amash, Massie, Mulvaney, Walter Jones, Posey, Yoho, Huelskamp, McClintock, Labrador, Bentivolio, Graves, Scott Garrett, Broun, Schweikert, Paul, Cruz, and Sanford. If the GOP resembled that bunch, you wouldn't have to worry much about libertarians running any more.

Exactly. Words your party should listen to. Because it isn't a relevant party. Instead of blaming the GOP, how about figure out why the libertarian platform attracts less than 5% of the electorate.

The only accomplishment libertarians achieve on national level is make it easier for DNC candidates to win elections. They run roughshod attacks against GOP candidates will ignoring Democratic candidates.

They shifted a disproportionally high % of the tax burden on to the middle and working class tax payers, added and increased fees, shifted costs to local government (unfounded mandates), and added sales taxes for services middle class people use while keeping services more often utilized by the wealthy untaxed. It is a shell game and average Joe is more often than not the one getting screwed.


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(06-29-2014 11:47 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Exactly. Words your party should listen to. Because it isn't a relevant party. Instead of blaming the GOP, how about figure out why the libertarian platform attracts less than 5% of the electorate.

The party may be irrelevant, but the ideas are not. See GT's last note about 1/3 of the GOP.

(06-28-2014 07:46 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:36 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:24 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:20 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 06:48 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Irony!!! The pop up ad on my Spin Room main page was a Kay Hagan add.

We don't do pop-up ads. If you got a pop-up, your computer has malware.

Bad choice of words on my part, it's an embedded ad next to the CSNBBS banner on the main Spin Room Page.

I'm guessing that your imprecision with language gets you into trouble often.

Actually posting while drinking probably does that.

That said, Stone cold sober or after a few drinks, I still stay the Republican party has moved too far left because the MSM says they have to if they want to win elections. Stand up for what you believe No Amnesty, There are NO good parts of Obamacare, US government is too big and needs to be reduced significantly not a few cuts around the edges, etc.

Chief RINO

Quote:Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona, told Reuters on Thursday that establishing refugee application programs in Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, where domestic abuse, gang violence and poverty are rampant, is the "key" to defusing the growing U.S. border crisis.

RINO 2

Quote:Saying he has an open mind to a refugee program, Graham added, "We'd be able to make a more intelligent decision about what's legitimate and you wouldn't have the problem of people showing up, dropped off at the door (border). That makes sense to me."

Latest case in point where RINO's show no difference than democrats on a key issue.

Calls in U.S. Congress for refugee status for Central American kids

A much easier solution and likely cheaper, provide safe transportation for these "refugees" back to their home town. Once we do this for 100% of these arrivals the influx will stop. I'm sorry these countries have terrible living conditions, but that can be said for about 2billion people living in third world nations, we can't take them all in and we can't help the all, so why make exceptions for some?

(06-29-2014 12:22 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(06-29-2014 11:47 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Exactly. Words your party should listen to. Because it isn't a relevant party. Instead of blaming the GOP, how about figure out why the libertarian platform attracts less than 5% of the electorate.

The party may be irrelevant, but the ideas are not. See GT's last note about 1/3 of the GOP.

I'll say it again. The only accomplishment from the Libertarian platform on a national level is to hep enact the Democratic agenda.

Have a problem with either party? Put one of your own in office....but I'm really starting to think that never was the plan.

I'd respect the Libertarians more if they ran against the DNC and not the GOP...whether that be Tea Party or establishment.

(06-29-2014 07:22 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I'd respect the Libertarians more if they ran against the DNC and not the GOP.

WTF does that mean?

(06-28-2014 11:14 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 11:01 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Tillis wasn't conservative enough!!

That is hard to believe given his record in the General Assembly.

He was mildly conservative.

(06-29-2014 08:42 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 11:14 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 11:01 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Tillis wasn't conservative enough!!

That is hard to believe given his record in the General Assembly.

The tax structure in NC is a joke. The GOP re-worked it in a revenue neutral approach so they kept high taxes just rearranged the sources. NC gasoline tax @38cents/gallon is among the highest in the nation but only 25% of the revenue goes for highways. Again the NC GOP proposed an additional mileage tax because the NC highway trust fund is broke. Simple solution use gasoline tax revenues for highways and don't raise taxes. Also Governor McCrory got approval to take $25million from the highway trust fund to use for non-highway related spending.

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Funny thing is they'd probably increase revenue if they lowered the gas tax. I go down to SC often and go out of my way to avoid getting gas in NC. I always top off in VA and SC and drive straight through NC. I would imagine all the truckers do the same thing.

(06-30-2014 07:04 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 11:14 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 11:01 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Tillis wasn't conservative enough!!

That is hard to believe given his record in the General Assembly.

He was mildly conservative.

That explains why all the moderates are called liberals on here. He is also very vindictive, thin skinned, petty and arrogant.

(06-29-2014 07:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-29-2014 07:22 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I'd respect the Libertarians more if they ran against the DNC and not the GOP.

WTF does that mean?

meaning that the one trace that can be identified that indicates that the "libertarians" even exist is when they draw off just enough of the vote to elect extremist liberals to congress.

beyond that, they simply have no accomplishments, no national leadership, no legislative agenda (quite handy, that, when it becomes time to throw rocks at everyone else - which is most of the time), and, in short, no proof of their existence. there is more evidence of bigfoot than libertarians.

then, they go off* on republicans when we can't stop the extremist legislative agenda.

*see: the multiparagraph rant upstream in this thread about all the sh!t we're doing wrong.