of course this is an exaggeration, but the IDIOT establishment RINO Thom Tillis is running the worse senate campaign since Elizabeth Dole tried to defend her seat. The unpopular democrat Hagan is starting to open up a lead on Tillis, she is running at least 3 commercials an hour, I have yet to see on from Tillis. If Hagan gets to 50% consistently in polls, Tillis will have no chance to get back in the race.

I wonder if Tillis will try to use Dole's "Brilliant" Fibber Kay Hagan commercials.

I thought you left the party a few days ago . . . ?

anyway, there is a libertarian (go figure; the secret elector of liberals to congress) skewing the mix. they're trying to do it again.

Quote:The National Research poll for the Civitas Institute put Hagan at 42 percent and Tillis at 36 percent with Libertarian Sean Haugh at 9 percent.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/06/26/3...rylink=cpy

Irony!!! The pop up ad on my Spin Room main page was a Kay Hagan add.

(06-28-2014 06:48 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Irony!!! The pop up ad on my Spin Room main page was a Kay Hagan add.

those ads are surf history sensitive. you get so upset that you gave her money?

(06-28-2014 06:46 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I thought you left the party a few days ago . . . ?

anyway, there is a libertarian (go figure; the secret elector of liberals to congress) skewing the mix. they're trying to do it again.

Quote:The National Research poll for the Civitas Institute put Hagan at 42 percent and Tillis at 36 percent with Libertarian Sean Haugh at 9 percent.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/06/26/3...rylink=cpy

Liberaltarians will tell you that voting for their candidate won't defeat the republican in a Red state. Tillis is a candidate I'm not thrilled about, is really not that popular and ticked of people with some of the recent legislation passed under his NC House leadership, but he was the anointed Establishment candidate that got all the outside money.

(06-28-2014 06:50 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 06:48 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Irony!!! The pop up ad on my Spin Room main page was a Kay Hagan add.

those ads are surf history sensitive. you get so upset that you gave her money?

I surfed Thom Tillis and her add was what I got when I came back to the spin room.

(06-28-2014 06:51 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 06:46 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I thought you left the party a few days ago . . . ?

anyway, there is a libertarian (go figure; the secret elector of liberals to congress) skewing the mix. they're trying to do it again.

Quote:The National Research poll for the Civitas Institute put Hagan at 42 percent and Tillis at 36 percent with Libertarian Sean Haugh at 9 percent.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/06/26/3...rylink=cpy

Liberaltarians will tell you that voting for their candidate won't defeat the republican in a Red state. Tillis is a candidate I'm not thrilled about, is really not that popular and ticked of people with some of the recent legislation passed under his NC House leadership, but he was the anointed Establishment candidate that got all the outside money.

thanks, but I'll take the establishment candidate any day of the week over the todd akins or richard mourdocks of the world.

and I was even warming up to chris mcdaniel, but I think that may have turned out to be todd akin II, once people started getting caught in courthouses at 3am on election day, and people started videotaping invalids, and people started killing themselves, and mcdaniel's guys started blaming that probable criminality on poor, doddering old thad cochran.

(06-28-2014 06:48 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Irony!!! The pop up ad on my Spin Room main page was a Kay Hagan add.

We don't do pop-up ads. If you got a pop-up, your computer has malware.

(06-28-2014 07:20 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 06:48 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Irony!!! The pop up ad on my Spin Room main page was a Kay Hagan add.

We don't do pop-up ads. If you got a pop-up, your computer has malware.

Bad choice of words on my part, it's an embedded ad next to the CSNBBS banner on the main Spin Room Page.

(06-28-2014 07:24 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:20 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 06:48 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Irony!!! The pop up ad on my Spin Room main page was a Kay Hagan add.

We don't do pop-up ads. If you got a pop-up, your computer has malware.

Bad choice of words on my part, it's an embedded ad next to the CSNBBS banner on the main Spin Room Page.

I'm guessing that your imprecision with language gets you into trouble often.

(06-28-2014 06:40 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  of course this is an exaggeration, but the IDIOT establishment RINO Thom Tillis is running the worse senate campaign since Elizabeth Dole tried to defend her seat. The unpopular democrat Hagan is starting to open up a lead on Tillis, she is running at least 3 commercials an hour, I have yet to see on from Tillis. If Hagan gets to 50% consistently in polls, Tillis will have no chance to get back in the race.

I wonder if Tillis will try to use Dole's "Brilliant" Fibber Kay Hagan commercials.

You've got another libertarian helping the DNC.

(06-28-2014 07:36 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:24 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:20 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 06:48 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Irony!!! The pop up ad on my Spin Room main page was a Kay Hagan add.

We don't do pop-up ads. If you got a pop-up, your computer has malware.

Bad choice of words on my part, it's an embedded ad next to the CSNBBS banner on the main Spin Room Page.

I'm guessing that your imprecision with language gets you into trouble often.

Actually posting while drinking probably does that.

That said, Stone cold sober or after a few drinks, I still stay the Republican party has moved too far left because the MSM says they have to if they want to win elections. Stand up for what you believe No Amnesty, There are NO good parts of Obamacare, US government is too big and needs to be reduced significantly not a few cuts around the edges, etc.

(06-28-2014 07:44 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 06:40 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  of course this is an exaggeration, but the IDIOT establishment RINO Thom Tillis is running the worse senate campaign since Elizabeth Dole tried to defend her seat. The unpopular democrat Hagan is starting to open up a lead on Tillis, she is running at least 3 commercials an hour, I have yet to see on from Tillis. If Hagan gets to 50% consistently in polls, Tillis will have no chance to get back in the race.

I wonder if Tillis will try to use Dole's "Brilliant" Fibber Kay Hagan commercials.

You've got another libertarian helping the DNC.

I suppose, but the media silence from Tillis is just like Dole. Saving to spend in the last two weeks of the campaign is too little too late. If Tillis doesn't have the fund raising ability to match Hagan he shouldn't have ran in the first place.

(06-28-2014 07:48 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:44 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 06:40 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  of course this is an exaggeration, but the IDIOT establishment RINO Thom Tillis is running the worse senate campaign since Elizabeth Dole tried to defend her seat. The unpopular democrat Hagan is starting to open up a lead on Tillis, she is running at least 3 commercials an hour, I have yet to see on from Tillis. If Hagan gets to 50% consistently in polls, Tillis will have no chance to get back in the race.

I wonder if Tillis will try to use Dole's "Brilliant" Fibber Kay Hagan commercials.

You've got another libertarian helping the DNC.

I suppose, but the media silence from Tillis is just like Dole. Saving to spend in the last two weeks of the campaign is too little too late. If Tillis doesn't have the fund raising ability to match Hagan he shouldn't have ran in the first place.

Where have you been the last six months? Hagan was bombarded with third party ads that drove down her numbers. While Hagan has a money advantage in direct campaign funds the money that has been poured into the race from outside the campaign has been overwhelmingly on the Tillis side.

The Tea Party IS THE ESTABLISHMENT GOP in NC these days. There is an intraparty battle between the House and Senate. They just don't like each other, have huge egos and some conflicting special interests.

(06-28-2014 09:23 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:48 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 07:44 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 06:40 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  of course this is an exaggeration, but the IDIOT establishment RINO Thom Tillis is running the worse senate campaign since Elizabeth Dole tried to defend her seat. The unpopular democrat Hagan is starting to open up a lead on Tillis, she is running at least 3 commercials an hour, I have yet to see on from Tillis. If Hagan gets to 50% consistently in polls, Tillis will have no chance to get back in the race.

I wonder if Tillis will try to use Dole's "Brilliant" Fibber Kay Hagan commercials.

You've got another libertarian helping the DNC.

I suppose, but the media silence from Tillis is just like Dole. Saving to spend in the last two weeks of the campaign is too little too late. If Tillis doesn't have the fund raising ability to match Hagan he shouldn't have ran in the first place.

Where have you been the last six months? Hagan was bombarded with third party ads that drove down her numbers. While Hagan has a money advantage in direct campaign funds the money that has been poured into the race from outside the campaign has been overwhelmingly on the Tillis side.

The Tea Party IS THE ESTABLISHMENT GOP in NC these days. There is an intraparty battle between the House and Senate. They just don't like each other, have huge egos and some conflicting special interests.

intraparty? house? senate?

God, you're retarded.

I find the establishment GOP paranoia over libertarian types, and particularly the indignation over "stolen" votes quote amusing.

A few observations:
1) Historically, libertarian candidates skew slightly Democrat in exit polling. This holds true with the latest "plot against the GOP" in Sarvis running for Governor of Virginia.

2) Usually if a libertarian is doing particularly well in a three way field, the GOP candidate has gone full retard on social issues. This holds true for Sarvis again ... as the GOP candidate openly supported sodomy laws. Let me say that again: The GOP candidate thought it was okay for oral and anal intercourse to be illegal. In major politics no matter how backwoods and Bible thumpin' you can get ... openly saying that is tantamount to loading a gun, pointing it at yourself, and squeezing the trigger.

3) For a party that, in theory and rhetoric, prides itself on free market principles and competition .... this obsession with eliminating choice and competition in the from of third parties is particularly puzzling/hypocritical. If GOP candidates and lawyers concentrated as hard on balancing budgets as they did filing legal challenges to third parties and complaining about them, maybe we'd be balanced by now.

4) Blaming other people and eschewing responsibility is, at least in THEORY, the Democrat way. But when it comes to close loses where a third party did well... the GOP once again gets hypocritical. It is always the libertarian's fault ... never the GOP's. *roll eyes* If the GOP loses a competitive or favorable districts ... one or more of the following is *ALWAYS* the reason why:
- They went full retard on social issues (See: Akin, Angle, VA Governor, etc)
- They support the drug war on marijuana ... a deeply unpopular opinion getting more deeply unpopular every day
- They are against gay people being able to marry ... a deeply unpopular opinion getting more deeply unpopular every day
- They support offensive wars overseas ... a deeply unpopular opinion which Democrats have kindly neutralized by doing the same for the most part
- They are against comprehensive immigration reform (which MUST include a path of citizenship and work visas) .... a deeply unpopular opinion getting more unpopular as latin minorities continue to grow. I'm not saying amnesty ... but I'm also saying you're certifiable if you think we can round up 7,000,000 people and deport them, to say nothing of what you'd be doing to communities and families in the process if you actually were foolish enough to try.


If you want to be a relevant party nationally, you need to re-evaluate what faction of the party you want to listen to. The road to ruin is the one you're already on... the one run by Boehner, McConnell, McCain, and Graham. They are 1/3 of the GOP elected officials... but nearly 100% of leadership. They are the country club, chamber of commerce, special interest sellout, military industrial complex beholden, Dem-lites. The people who make it pretty damn easy to conclude this nation is run by one party. The pricks in charge change affiliation ... but no meaningful policy actually changes.

You've got another 1/3 of the elected officials with no guiding principles or moral compass ... like a flag they fall where the breeze is. They do whatever leadership asks, and fall in line only when the yelling at home is loud enough.

The final 1/3 is the liberty wing (read: libertarian leaning) faction. These are almost all new blood. This is the way forward if you want the GOP to actually stand for something and present meaningful policy solutions. Amash, Massie, Mulvaney, Walter Jones, Posey, Yoho, Huelskamp, McClintock, Labrador, Bentivolio, Graves, Scott Garrett, Broun, Schweikert, Paul, Cruz, and Sanford. If the GOP resembled that bunch, you wouldn't have to worry much about libertarians running any more.

(06-28-2014 09:50 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I find the establishment GOP paranoia over libertarian types, and particularly the indignation over "stolen" votes quote amusing.

A few observations:
1) Historically, libertarian candidates skew slightly Democrat in exit polling. This holds true with the latest "plot against the GOP" in Sarvis running for Governor of Virginia.

2) Usually if a libertarian is doing particularly well in a three way field, the GOP candidate has gone full retard on social issues. This holds true for Sarvis again ... as the GOP candidate openly supported sodomy laws. Let me say that again: The GOP candidate thought it was okay for oral and anal intercourse to be illegal. In major politics no matter how backwoods and Bible thumpin' you can get ... openly saying that is tantamount to loading a gun, pointing it at yourself, and squeezing the trigger.

3) For a party that, in theory and rhetoric, prides itself on free market principles and competition .... this obsession with eliminating choice and competition in the from of third parties is particularly puzzling/hypocritical. If GOP candidates and lawyers concentrated as hard on balancing budgets as they did filing legal challenges to third parties and complaining about them, maybe we'd be balanced by now.

4) Blaming other people and eschewing responsibility is, at least in THEORY, the Democrat way. But when it comes to close loses where a third party did well... the GOP once again gets hypocritical. It is always the libertarian's fault ... never the GOP's. *roll eyes* If the GOP loses a competitive or favorable districts ... one or more of the following is *ALWAYS* the reason why:
- They went full retard on social issues (See: Akin, Angle, VA Governor, etc)
- They support the drug war on marijuana ... a deeply unpopular opinion getting more deeply unpopular every day
- They are against gay people being able to marry ... a deeply unpopular opinion getting more deeply unpopular every day
- They support offensive wars overseas ... a deeply unpopular opinion which Democrats have kindly neutralized by doing the same for the most part
- They are against comprehensive immigration reform (which MUST include a path of citizenship and work visas) .... a deeply unpopular opinion getting more unpopular as latin minorities continue to grow. I'm not saying amnesty ... but I'm also saying you're certifiable if you think we can round up 7,000,000 people and deport them, to say nothing of what you'd be doing to communities and families in the process if you actually were foolish enough to try.


If you want to be a relevant party nationally, you need to re-evaluate what faction of the party you want to listen to. The road to ruin is the one you're already on... the one run by Boehner, McConnell, McCain, and Graham. They are 1/3 of the GOP elected officials... but nearly 100% of leadership. They are the country club, chamber of commerce, special interest sellout, military industrial complex beholden, Dem-lites. The people who make it pretty damn easy to conclude this nation is one by one party. The pricks in charge change affiliation ... but no meaningful policy actually changes.

You've got another 1/3 of the elected officials with no guiding principles or moral compass ... like a flag they fall where the breeze is. They do whatever leadership asks, and fall in line only when the yelling at home is loud enough.

The final 1/3 is the liberty wing (read: libertarian leaning) faction. These are almost all new blood. This is the way forward if you want the GOP to actually stand for something and present meaningful policy solutions. Amash, Massie, Mulvaney, Walter Jones, Posey, Yoho, Huelskamp, McClintock, Labrador, Bentivolio, Graves, Scott Garrett, Broun, Schweikert, Paul, Cruz, and Sanford. If the GOP resembled that bunch, you wouldn't have to worry much about libertarians running any more.

Cuccinelli did decently well in Virginia, he didn't lose by that many points, but the media outlash and popular opinion that he was too socially conservative helped Terry McAuliffe prevail.

The idea that he supported the sodomy laws is not exactly true though... Cuccinelli, who was the attorney general for Virginia when running for governor, encouraged the Commonwealth and its team of lawyers to use the sodomy laws to prosecute criminals who were already being charged with other sexually related charges. Still, not a bright move.

Bolling or some other Republican would have won in a landslide.

Tillis wasn't conservative enough!!

(06-28-2014 11:01 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Tillis wasn't conservative enough!!

That is hard to believe given his record in the General Assembly.

(06-28-2014 09:50 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I find the establishment GOP paranoia over libertarian types, and particularly the indignation over "stolen" votes quote amusing.

A few observations:
1) Historically, libertarian candidates skew slightly Democrat in exit polling. This holds true with the latest "plot against the GOP" in Sarvis running for Governor of Virginia.

2) Usually if a libertarian is doing particularly well in a three way field, the GOP candidate has gone full retard on social issues. This holds true for Sarvis again ... as the GOP candidate openly supported sodomy laws. Let me say that again: The GOP candidate thought it was okay for oral and anal intercourse to be illegal. In major politics no matter how backwoods and Bible thumpin' you can get ... openly saying that is tantamount to loading a gun, pointing it at yourself, and squeezing the trigger.

3) For a party that, in theory and rhetoric, prides itself on free market principles and competition .... this obsession with eliminating choice and competition in the from of third parties is particularly puzzling/hypocritical. If GOP candidates and lawyers concentrated as hard on balancing budgets as they did filing legal challenges to third parties and complaining about them, maybe we'd be balanced by now.

4) Blaming other people and eschewing responsibility is, at least in THEORY, the Democrat way. But when it comes to close loses where a third party did well... the GOP once again gets hypocritical. It is always the libertarian's fault ... never the GOP's. *roll eyes* If the GOP loses a competitive or favorable districts ... one or more of the following is *ALWAYS* the reason why:
- They went full retard on social issues (See: Akin, Angle, VA Governor, etc)
- They support the drug war on marijuana ... a deeply unpopular opinion getting more deeply unpopular every day
- They are against gay people being able to marry ... a deeply unpopular opinion getting more deeply unpopular every day
- They support offensive wars overseas ... a deeply unpopular opinion which Democrats have kindly neutralized by doing the same for the most part
- They are against comprehensive immigration reform (which MUST include a path of citizenship and work visas) .... a deeply unpopular opinion getting more unpopular as latin minorities continue to grow. I'm not saying amnesty ... but I'm also saying you're certifiable if you think we can round up 7,000,000 people and deport them, to say nothing of what you'd be doing to communities and families in the process if you actually were foolish enough to try.


If you want to be a relevant party nationally, you need to re-evaluate what faction of the party you want to listen to. The road to ruin is the one you're already on... the one run by Boehner, McConnell, McCain, and Graham. They are 1/3 of the GOP elected officials... but nearly 100% of leadership. They are the country club, chamber of commerce, special interest sellout, military industrial complex beholden, Dem-lites. The people who make it pretty damn easy to conclude this nation is run by one party. The pricks in charge change affiliation ... but no meaningful policy actually changes.

You've got another 1/3 of the elected officials with no guiding principles or moral compass ... like a flag they fall where the breeze is. They do whatever leadership asks, and fall in line only when the yelling at home is loud enough.

The final 1/3 is the liberty wing (read: libertarian leaning) faction. These are almost all new blood. This is the way forward if you want the GOP to actually stand for something and present meaningful policy solutions. Amash, Massie, Mulvaney, Walter Jones, Posey, Yoho, Huelskamp, McClintock, Labrador, Bentivolio, Graves, Scott Garrett, Broun, Schweikert, Paul, Cruz, and Sanford. If the GOP resembled that bunch, you wouldn't have to worry much about libertarians running any more.

GTS, Always appreciate your input and of course what you do here for our MB "home". But PLEASE.... I've read this about the Va Gov's race over and over and over again. AND it still ain' true.

Am I as strict, hard line as Cuccinelli is on these issues? No. But, he was attorney general and it is/was the job of AG to ENFORCE the laws of the State. Something our current State and Fed DOJ's fail repeatedly to recognize.

Who has advocated deporting 7 million or the 11 million illegal invaders you mention? I could be wrong, but I don't recall anyone saying that.

BUT, we clearly need to do something, and as long as that border is an open free for all territory there's NO WAY I'd agree to give this administration a blank check. Just the other day some invaders from freaking NEPAL were reported here. Are they fleeing "drug gangs and political persecution" or whatever these maruaders are being coached to say? So I don't quite get what you and others of your position want.

Open borders? Cause that's basically what the ES plan is. Cantor ran as a pro- chamber guy, and was rightfully tossed. All the things you seemingly support above will drive Millions of conservatives and Republicans away.

Dope, gay marriage, isolationism or allowing the USA to be overrun by people here illegally, no thanks.

That's a losing strategy politically, culturally and Nationally. We don't need any of that.