(06-18-2014 10:37 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 09:59 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 09:57 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  This doesn't mean that they have to change the name, just that they don't have the trademark on the term and thus won't be able to prevent people/organizations from creating their own merchandise with the name/logo.

If Dan Snyder losses the appeal that he almost certainly will make, I imagine the name will be changed fairly recently after.

Well, that in of itself is huge when you think of the $$$$ involved.

Actually, a name change would result in a huge infusion of cash for Snyder. some fans will resist buying new hats, jerseys etc, but almost all will eventually. Redskin memoribilia will sky rocket in worth.

It will for people on secondary markets selling the stuff, if this decision holds through appeals, the team will retain NO rights to that stuff.

The trademark of the name Redskins was worth far more to Dan Snyder and the NFL as a whole. It is 80 years of history for a team with 5 championships and a large fan base. There will be a lot of resistance to accepting a new name by the fan base and the money that they'll get from selling the new merchandise will be minimal compared to the brand worth of what it took 80 years for the Redskins to establish.

Maybe they should put a jack ass on the side of their helmets. Along with any other team that the left thinks offends America.

(06-18-2014 10:04 AM)EagleX Wrote:  we need elizabeth warren to wade into this controversy about exploiting native american heritage for personal gain.

She would be the one since she is part native American.

Guess the NAACP is in trouble also.

(06-18-2014 10:43 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Maybe they should put a jack ass on the side of their helmets. Along with any other team that the left thinks offends America.

Why put the Democrat symbol on their helmets? jk
Free advertising?

(06-18-2014 10:16 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 09:57 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  This doesn't mean that they have to change the name, just that they don't have the trademark on the term and thus won't be able to prevent people/organizations from creating their own merchandise with the name/logo.

If Dan Snyder losses the appeal that he almost certainly will make, I imagine the name will be changed fairly recently after.

the NfL is going to raise holy hell about this one i do believe... it's not just Snyder, it's the entire organization that's going to go ballistic over this decision.

I don't think they will. And in the end Snyder will look like a martyr, even as his newly labeled merchandise sells off the shelf.

I find this action disgusting. Just a demonstration of how petty they tyrants will get if they target you.

(06-18-2014 11:00 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 10:16 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 09:57 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  This doesn't mean that they have to change the name, just that they don't have the trademark on the term and thus won't be able to prevent people/organizations from creating their own merchandise with the name/logo.

If Dan Snyder losses the appeal that he almost certainly will make, I imagine the name will be changed fairly recently after.

the NfL is going to raise holy hell about this one i do believe... it's not just Snyder, it's the entire organization that's going to go ballistic over this decision.

I don't think they will. And in the end Snyder will look like a martyr, even as his newly labeled merchandise sells off the shelf.

I find this action disgusting. Just a demonstration of how petty they tyrants will get if they target you.

I don't think this newly labeled merchandise will be flying off of the shelf though. The fans of the team are overwhelmingly against a name change and I think most people will just continue to rock and wear their current Redskins gear to games/bars.

Could they just use the logo (wasn't cancelled by what I read), not officially call them the Redskins but let it be the unofficial name of the franchise? Let them just be the Washington Football Club, but all the fans are free to call them the Redskins and the band can still play "Hail to the Redskins".

Rights... What rights..

(06-18-2014 09:44 AM)EagleX Wrote:  patent office weaponized: check.

Quote:U.S. patent office cancels Redskins trademark registration, says name is disparaging

The United States Patent and Trademark Office has canceled the Washington Redskins trademark registration, calling the football team’s name “disparaging to Native Americans.”

The landmark case, which appeared before the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board, was filed on behalf of five Native Americans. It was the second time such a case was filed.

“This victory was a long time coming and reflects the hard work of many attorneys at our firm,” said lead attorney Jesse Witten, of Drinker Biddle & Reath.

Federal trademark law does not permit registration of trademarks that “may disparage” individuals or groups or “bring them into contempt or disrepute.” The ruling pertains to six different trademarks associated with the team, each containing the word “Redskin.”

“We are extraordinarily gratified to have prevailed in this case,” Alfred Putnam Jr., the chairman of Drinker Biddle & Reath, said. “The dedication and professionalism of our attorneys and the determination of our clients have resulted in a milestone victory that will serve as an historic precedent.”

Linky

(06-18-2014 10:03 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  I wonder what Native Americans who are more than 1/64th N.A. think about the subject?

I think if the Native American community as a majority/whole is offended by the name, then I wouldn't be against a name change....don't know if it's true or not though.

There is a difference between being for/against a name change and supporting the use of the USPTO as a political weapon. You must see that.

Wow. This is a huge, ugly can of worms.

(06-18-2014 11:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Could they just use the logo (wasn't cancelled by what I read), not officially call them the Redskins but let it be the unofficial name of the franchise? Let them just be the Washington Football Club, but all the fans are free to call them the Redskins and the band can still play "Hail to the Redskins".

Nope. That's giving in and sets a precedent with the tyrants that they can win.

(06-18-2014 11:13 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 10:03 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  I wonder what Native Americans who are more than 1/64th N.A. think about the subject?

I think if the Native American community as a majority/whole is offended by the name, then I wouldn't be against a name change....don't know if it's true or not though.

There is a difference between being for/against a name change and supporting the use of the USPTO as a political weapon. You must see that.

Even being the P.C. lib I am. I do not like this. Government pressure on what should be a civil matter between N.A's and the team.
It also annoys me when politicians in congress call for hearings on subjects involving sports. Stop wasting time and $$ just to pander to interest groups and curry favor back home.

(06-18-2014 11:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Could they just use the logo (wasn't cancelled by what I read), not officially call them the Redskins but let it be the unofficial name of the franchise? Let them just be the Washington Football Club, but all the fans are free to call them the Redskins and the band can still play "Hail to the Redskins".

They already can call themselves the Redskins, they just can't defend themselves from others from making merchandise w/ those logos.

Merchandise is big business.

(06-18-2014 11:19 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 11:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Could they just use the logo (wasn't cancelled by what I read), not officially call them the Redskins but let it be the unofficial name of the franchise? Let them just be the Washington Football Club, but all the fans are free to call them the Redskins and the band can still play "Hail to the Redskins".

Nope. That's giving in and sets a precedent with the tyrants that they can win.

Well if he loses his appeal, they're going to lose a lot of merchandise revenue.

I know winning isn't important to Dan Snyder, but he's going to have to decide what he's going to do.

(06-18-2014 11:24 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 11:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Could they just use the logo (wasn't cancelled by what I read), not officially call them the Redskins but let it be the unofficial name of the franchise? Let them just be the Washington Football Club, but all the fans are free to call them the Redskins and the band can still play "Hail to the Redskins".

They already can call themselves the Redskins, they just can't defend themselves from others from making merchandise w/ those logos.

Merchandise is big business.

I know that. I'm just suggesting something that could ease the tensions a bit.

Would blacks be offended if they called them the
Washington Blacks
or Indians (from India), someone from the Philippines or Puerto Ricans if they called a team the
Cleveland Browns

(06-18-2014 11:24 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 11:19 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 11:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Could they just use the logo (wasn't cancelled by what I read), not officially call them the Redskins but let it be the unofficial name of the franchise? Let them just be the Washington Football Club, but all the fans are free to call them the Redskins and the band can still play "Hail to the Redskins".

Nope. That's giving in and sets a precedent with the tyrants that they can win.

Well if he loses his appeal, they're going to lose a lot of merchandise revenue.

I know winning isn't important to Dan Snyder, but he's going to have to decide what he's going to do.

I think you are overstating the impact of how many people want to manufacture Redkins gear.

The impact will be worse if he gives in when his fans are dead set against a name change.

and most American Indians don't give a flip about this. It's a small minority being exploited by white liberal politicians.

(06-18-2014 11:27 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 11:24 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 11:19 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(06-18-2014 11:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Could they just use the logo (wasn't cancelled by what I read), not officially call them the Redskins but let it be the unofficial name of the franchise? Let them just be the Washington Football Club, but all the fans are free to call them the Redskins and the band can still play "Hail to the Redskins".

Nope. That's giving in and sets a precedent with the tyrants that they can win.

Well if he loses his appeal, they're going to lose a lot of merchandise revenue.

I know winning isn't important to Dan Snyder, but he's going to have to decide what he's going to do.

I think you are overstating the impact of how many people want to manufacture Redkins gear.

You must not be familiar with the severity of counterfeit merchandise in the US.