I think it is interesting...

YES...I think if BYU wants into the B12, they certainly can get that invitation...BUT...not without some severe compromises. Don't forget, BYU effectively scuttled a seat in the Big XII back in 2012 and things haven't changed since then. The key issues for BYU in any conference are... 1) BYU's refusal to play AND...more importantly...travel on Sundays, 2) BYU's ability to maintain their TV rights, and 3) BYU being able to function as a junior member of a conference. #1 is, I believe, workable but would place demands upon the conference to work around. #2, for the Big XII, is not a huge problem as Texas already has the "Longhorn Network." #3, is a thorny issue though if BYU were ready to be a junior member, they certainly could...

That being said, BYU IS NOT NOTRE DAME. They will NOT be allowed to "pick" who takes a seat with them. They don't bring ND money and, in the case of BYU and the B12, BYU will have to come "hat-in-hand," which means with no further demands. IF...if the rule about needing 12 teams to have a CCG game is waived (with the whole "non-division" talk), THEN the B12 adds BYU and is done. IF conferences need 12 to hold a CCG...THEN the B12 either adds BYU+1 or nothing.

BYU is the one, outstanding team that warrants an invite from the B12. But they are not so powerful that they can call their shot.

Not to discount the possibility of BYU joining the Big 12 --- but BYU already has 25 games scheduled against MWC teams over the next 10 seasons. I could also see BYU take themselves back to the MWC in the fashion of Boise State.

(05-20-2014 11:22 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Not to discount the possibility of BYU joining the Big 12 --- but BYU already has 25 games scheduled against MWC teams over the next 10 seasons. I could also see BYU take themselves back to the MWC in the fashion of Boise State.

25 games...that is a lot of buy-out clauses if they joined a conference - or they don't have availability until 2044...

ESPN owns BYU through 2018. They get the rights to BYU's home games first. I'm sure CBS would love to have BYU back in the MWC which they own first tier rights.

(05-20-2014 11:13 AM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:57 AM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  The big 12 is not going to look back at byu sorry. The aac is byu's best option, also I would take them as a full member along with sdsu, unlv, afa. Then call it a day and look for a new contract. Wouldn't that big of a change start new contract negotiations?

Yep. Invite BYU, San Diego St, Air Force and Colorado St. Hope they accept.

East: UConn, Cincy, UCF, USF, Temple, Memphis, ECU, Navy
West: Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, BYU, Air Force, Colorado St, SDSU

Markets: NYC (UConn?), Cincy, Tampa, Orlando, Philadelphia, Memphis, Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, San Diego, Denver (Col St?)

Navy vs Air Force yearly
BYU has national appeal because of religious ties
Navy/Air Force has national appeal because of military ties
UConn in the cream of the crop in mens and womens basketball
Cincy is strong in football and basketball
UCF is the Fiesta Bowl champs
USF can re-ignite their footbal lpower of a few years ago
Temple has national name recognition in basketball
Memphis has national name recognition in basketball
ECU delivers a football crazy fanbase and environment (looks good on TV)
Houston strong football and basketball, new stadium
SMU building a strong basketball name
Tulsa is traditionally strong in football, Academics
Tulane: Academics, new football stadium, New Orleans
Colorado St: Flagship (?), new football stadium
SDSU: Strong basketball, good football

Let's do this.

There is a long-standing general rule about these things... You don't "invite" until and unless you know that they answer will be "YES."

Think how stupid the AAC will look when they go out publicly and "invite" BYU, SDSU, CSU, and Air Force and get turned down...

Yeah, let's do this...

(05-20-2014 11:09 AM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  I used to think that Texas was the lunch pin school to the next round of realignment but I believe the landscape is truly stable for a while now. The big 12 is happy as h@ll at 10 and I don't think they give two shifts about byu and the mwc is not an option or an equal to the aac as far as competition and exposure goes. Just my opinion..

About the second time Texas (or another B12) teams gets "punished" in the poles from not having a conference champ game, and you'll see a change in opinion.

Such as a Clemson or Stanford getting a higher seed or whatever in the "playoffs".

(05-20-2014 11:23 AM)bearcatseminole Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 11:22 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Not to discount the possibility of BYU joining the Big 12 --- but BYU already has 25 games scheduled against MWC teams over the next 10 seasons. I could also see BYU take themselves back to the MWC in the fashion of Boise State.

25 games...that is a lot of buy-out clauses if they joined a conference - or they don't have availability until 2044...

2.5 games averaged a season. Probably don't have to buy them out --- or at least many.

(05-20-2014 10:10 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Making the decision to join the Big12? That's all well and good... if there's an invite; But the B12 saw BYU as a less appealing option than TCU, so to assume they'd add them solely on their merits as a singular addition is dicey.

that was less about TCU, and more about immediate availability, their current high profile, and the absolute need of the B12 to grab a 4th Texas school to keep their TV contract in place. TCU was the right choice for the Big 12 at that time (without them it could have fallen apart as they would have had to renegotiate that TV contract), but it doesn't mean that independently, TCU was more valuable than BYU. Doesn't mean they aren't either, FTR.

The problem BYU (and any AAC team) face with regards to the Big 12, is that every year that each team has BOTH Texas and Oklahoma on the schedule every year, the harder it will be for them to voluntarily go back. If forced to make a move, then different animal, but right now, it will be a hard move to make.

(05-20-2014 11:23 AM)bearcatseminole Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 11:22 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Not to discount the possibility of BYU joining the Big 12 --- but BYU already has 25 games scheduled against MWC teams over the next 10 seasons. I could also see BYU take themselves back to the MWC in the fashion of Boise State.

25 games...that is a lot of buy-out clauses if they joined a conference - or they don't have availability until 2044...

When UCF was indy we made our buy-outs contingent on getting into a conference. I'm sure BYU has this in place.

(05-20-2014 10:20 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:07 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  If BYU is able to make the Big 12 jump it's likely they take one lucky AAC team with them.

It's far more likely that Texas finally bails by that point. Don't underestimate the Horns desire to counter the Aggies SEC move. They aren't looking to add more mouths to the trough. TRUST ME. If anything they will be looking for a deeper trough..with more academic gravitas.

PAC12 on line 1.

If the Big12 wanted BYU and BYU wanted a conference that is where they would be, yesterday. That however is not the case obviously, at least at this moment. I do think BYU "feels" like a Big12 team, but as mentioned there are issues that would have to be vetted and those issues resulted in BYU not in the Big12 once before. I also think that having WVU on an island in the east hurts the case for BYU. If expansion arose in the Big12, WVU would pitch a holy fit to get help on there side of the conference.

We can deduct from recent events that Aresco is in the game for BYU should they seek conference affiliation. I have to believe that he wont sell the farm for them either, given that the AAC presidents sent BSU packing when they asked for special consideration.

(05-20-2014 11:38 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 11:23 AM)bearcatseminole Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 11:22 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Not to discount the possibility of BYU joining the Big 12 --- but BYU already has 25 games scheduled against MWC teams over the next 10 seasons. I could also see BYU take themselves back to the MWC in the fashion of Boise State.

25 games...that is a lot of buy-out clauses if they joined a conference - or they don't have availability until 2044...

When UCF was indy we made our buy-outs contingent on getting into a conference. I'm sure BYU has this in place.

In any case, I'm sure the buy-outs are nowhere near...even cumulatively...the $10MM buy-out for the AAC much less the $50MM buy out (not to mention the GoR) of the ACC...

Not to mention, they wouldn't necessarily be buying out all these games. You still have to have some OOC games.

So, if BYU joined the B12, I could see (a) the B12 anteing up some assistance with the buy-outs (including very well assuming some of the games with other B12 opponents), and (b) BYU getting to hold onto the games they wanted to.

A couple of things to consider here.

1) BYU and Cincinnati to the Big 12 has been mentioned a lot.
2) The rumor coming out of Connecticut today is it will join the Big 10 in 30 days. When does Kansas speak?

Ok, if it happens Connecticut and Kansas to the Big 10 and BYU and Cincinnati to the Big 12, this will be the AAC:

Temple
Navy
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Tulane
SMU
Houston
Tulsa

So which two do you add to get back to 12?

Nobody

(05-20-2014 11:44 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  If the Big12 wanted BYU and BYU wanted a conference that is where they would be, yesterday. That however is not the case obviously, at least at this moment. I do think BYU "feels" like a Big12 team, but as mentioned there are issues that would have to be vetted and those issues resulted in BYU not in the Big12 once before. I also think that having WVU on an island in the east hurts the case for BYU. If expansion arose in the Big12, WVU would pitch a holy fit to get help on there side of the conference.

We can deduct from recent events that Aresco is in the game for BYU should they seek conference affiliation. I have to believe that he wont sell the farm for them either, given that the AAC presidents sent BSU packing when they asked for special consideration.

WVU is a "junior member" of the conference... They don't get to demand anything.

You do raise an interesting issue though: IF BYU had joined the B12 in 2012, would WVU have been offered? (Remember all the craziness over the WVU-UL competition for the remaining seat?) I'm not sure, but it's an interesting question...

(05-20-2014 11:47 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  A couple of things to consider here.

1) BYU and Cincinnati to the Big 12 has been mentioned a lot.
2) The rumor coming out of Connecticut today is it will join the Big 10 in 30 days. When does Kansas speak?

Ok, if it happens Connecticut and Kansas to the Big 10 and BYU and Cincinnati to the Big 12, this will be the AAC:

Temple
Navy
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Tulane
SMU
Houston
Tulsa

So which two do you add to get back to 12?

Louisville, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh

(05-20-2014 11:47 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  A couple of things to consider here.

1) BYU and Cincinnati to the Big 12 has been mentioned a lot.
2) The rumor coming out of Connecticut today is it will join the Big 10 in 30 days. When does Kansas speak?

Ok, if it happens Connecticut and Kansas to the Big 10 and BYU and Cincinnati to the Big 12, this will be the AAC:

Temple
Navy
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Tulane
SMU
Houston
Tulsa

So which two do you add to get back to 12?

Wilkie... Ain't nobody goin' anywhere...

Seriously. At the end of the month, at the end of this year, the AAC will look E-X-A-C-T-L-Y like it does today.

(05-20-2014 11:51 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 11:47 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  A couple of things to consider here.

1) BYU and Cincinnati to the Big 12 has been mentioned a lot.
2) The rumor coming out of Connecticut today is it will join the Big 10 in 30 days. When does Kansas speak?

Ok, if it happens Connecticut and Kansas to the Big 10 and BYU and Cincinnati to the Big 12, this will be the AAC:

Temple
Navy
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Tulane
SMU
Houston
Tulsa

So which two do you add to get back to 12?

Wilkie... Ain't nobody goin' anywhere...

Seriously. At the end of the month, at the end of this year, the AAC will look E-X-A-C-T-L-Y like it does today.

I agree but it is today's news and I never take this stuff lightly, because while not probably, it is possible. Often $hit happens.

(05-20-2014 11:47 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  A couple of things to consider here.

1) BYU and Cincinnati to the Big 12 has been mentioned a lot.
2) The rumor coming out of Connecticut today is it will join the Big 10 in 30 days. When does Kansas speak?

Ok, if it happens Connecticut and Kansas to the Big 10 and BYU and Cincinnati to the Big 12, this will be the AAC:

Temple
Navy
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Tulane
SMU
Houston
Tulsa

So which two do you add to get back to 12?

Hans and R2D2, Wookie.

(05-20-2014 10:07 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  If BYU is able to make the Big 12 jump it's likely they take one lucky AAC team with them.

UConn... inevitably.