(05-19-2014 10:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The very nature of conservatism is to attempt to keep things as they are but you can't stop progress.

So Conservatives are always going to be on the wrong side of history.

None of what the left considers "progress" is progress in a positive light. We wouldn't be in a shiit pot right now if it was good.

(05-19-2014 10:20 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The very nature of conservatism is to attempt to keep things as they are but you can't stop progress.

So Conservatives are always going to be on the wrong side of history.

But that assumes that all "progress" is good. We've been around thousands of years. If all "progress" were good, we'd be living in Nirvana by now. And we're not. So I'm guessing that all that "progress" isn't a good thing.

But it's better than it was before. Life will never be perfect, but it can better.

(05-19-2014 10:20 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The very nature of conservatism is to attempt to keep things as they are but you can't stop progress.

So Conservatives are always going to be on the wrong side of history.

But that assumes that all "progress" is good. We've been around thousands of years. If all "progress" were good, we'd be living in Nirvana by now. And we're not. So I'm guessing that all that "progress" isn't a good thing.

This is true. All progress is not good but intelligent people learn from their mistakes and move on.

You don't get very far when you decide that a country has gone far enough and your solution is to try and stop time and live in the 1950's.

(05-19-2014 10:25 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:20 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The very nature of conservatism is to attempt to keep things as they are but you can't stop progress.
So Conservatives are always going to be on the wrong side of history.

But that assumes that all "progress" is good. We've been around thousands of years. If all "progress" were good, we'd be living in Nirvana by now. And we're not. So I'm guessing that all that "progress" isn't a good thing.

But it's better than it was before. Life will never be perfect, but it can better.

But it's not the "progressive" stuff that's made it better. It's better because of creativity and innovation, which "progressivism" stifles and discourages.

Hijacking the word progress doesn't make an ideology right.

(05-19-2014 10:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The very nature of conservatism is to attempt to keep things as they are but you can't stop progress.

So Conservatives are always going to be on the wrong side of history.

*ahem*

This is kind of a dumb trolling attempt.

(05-19-2014 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:20 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The very nature of conservatism is to attempt to keep things as they are but you can't stop progress.

So Conservatives are always going to be on the wrong side of history.

But that assumes that all "progress" is good. We've been around thousands of years. If all "progress" were good, we'd be living in Nirvana by now. And we're not. So I'm guessing that all that "progress" isn't a good thing.

This is true. All progress is not good but intelligent people learn from their mistakes and move on.

You don't get very far when you decide that a country has gone far enough and your solution is to try and stop time and live in the 1950's.

or the 1850's

"Progressivism" can only make SOME people better off, by making others worse off. It has no way to make things better overall.

(05-19-2014 10:30 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:20 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The very nature of conservatism is to attempt to keep things as they are but you can't stop progress.

So Conservatives are always going to be on the wrong side of history.

But that assumes that all "progress" is good. We've been around thousands of years. If all "progress" were good, we'd be living in Nirvana by now. And we're not. So I'm guessing that all that "progress" isn't a good thing.

This is true. All progress is not good but intelligent people learn from their mistakes and move on.

You don't get very far when you decide that a country has gone far enough and your solution is to try and stop time and live in the 1950's.

or the 1850's

Do you actually think you are making valid points?

(05-19-2014 10:25 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The very nature of conservatism is to attempt to keep things as they are but you can't stop progress.

So Conservatives are always going to be on the wrong side of history.

None of what the left considers "progress" is progress in a positive light. We wouldn't be in a shiit pot right now if it was good.

That's strange. If I recall correctly, a conservative was on office when we fell into this shiit pot.

(05-19-2014 10:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:25 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The very nature of conservatism is to attempt to keep things as they are but you can't stop progress.

So Conservatives are always going to be on the wrong side of history.

None of what the left considers "progress" is progress in a positive light. We wouldn't be in a shiit pot right now if it was good.

That's strange. If I recall correctly, a conservative was on office when we fell into this shiit pot.

And it's been 6 years and we're deeper in.

(05-19-2014 10:39 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:25 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The very nature of conservatism is to attempt to keep things as they are but you can't stop progress.

So Conservatives are always going to be on the wrong side of history.

None of what the left considers "progress" is progress in a positive light. We wouldn't be in a shiit pot right now if it was good.

That's strange. If I recall correctly, a conservative was on office when we fell into this shiit pot.

And it's been 6 years and we're deeper in.

If I recall correctly, the economy was shrinking before Obama took office. It's been increasing ever since.

(05-19-2014 10:41 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:39 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:25 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The very nature of conservatism is to attempt to keep things as they are but you can't stop progress.

So Conservatives are always going to be on the wrong side of history.

None of what the left considers "progress" is progress in a positive light. We wouldn't be in a shiit pot right now if it was good.

That's strange. If I recall correctly, a conservative was on office when we fell into this shiit pot.

And it's been 6 years and we're deeper in.

If I recall correctly, the economy was shrinking before Obama took office. It's been increasing ever since.

Tell me how many jobs have been created, how many people have come off of government aid, and how many are paying for their own insurance since the economy is doing better.

Here you go.

(05-19-2014 10:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:25 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(05-19-2014 10:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The very nature of conservatism is to attempt to keep things as they are but you can't stop progress.

So Conservatives are always going to be on the wrong side of history.

None of what the left considers "progress" is progress in a positive light. We wouldn't be in a shiit pot right now if it was good.

That's strange. If I recall correctly, a conservative was on office when we fell into this shiit pot.

Yep, been going down hill since 2006...

OK.. Jobs lost, now how about jobs gained, how many have become employed in the last 6 years? Not WH estimates, but actual numbers.

Nevermind, that graphic came from MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

(05-19-2014 10:43 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Here you go.

Pretty normal pattern for a down business cycle. Happens all the time. Note that the turnaround occurred at almost the precise time Obama took office, which is too soon for any of his policies to have had any impact at all.

What is abnormal about it is if you extend the chart to the right, you find that the pace of recovery has trailed badly every recession since the 1930s. Of course, the 1930s were the last time that Keynesian "stimulus" was tried in response to a recession. Hmmmm....