(04-23-2014 06:59 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Take care of the economy and the social culture will take care of itself. This whole notion that our society will break down because of drugs, alcohol, etc. is BS, the US survived for centuries without a drug prohibition or drinking age of 21 and scaling back restrictions won't cause us to fall into chaos (provided that non-social freedoms remain intact).

You also have to remember...

1 century ago, 92 million population.
2 centuries ago, 7 million population.
3 centuries ago, 331,700 population.
4 centuries ago, 350 people.

This is why laws get changed. 92 million people, NOW, covers kids 14 to 24, not the entire US. Just over the past few years we've produced as many or more vehicles than the 1914 population of people. We've got enough problems, and technology fuucks us in the ass everyday. We're already taking chances with non-multitasking morons texting and driving thanks to technology.

With the model I posted, it should be very easy to understand why being 18 and able to drink in the early 1900's is far more different than being 18 and able to drink in the early 21st century. Parents still raised their kids, WITH MORALS, back in those days.

(04-24-2014 10:12 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 09:14 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 09:03 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 08:39 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  • The behavior of 18-year-olds directly affects the behavior of 15-17 year-olds, reducing drinking behavior for the prior also reduces it for the latter.

• A drinking age of 18 is associated with adverse outcomes among births to young mothers.

• There is potential harm alcohol may have on the developing brain, which is maturing well into the 20s. 18 year olds are not physically or mentally adults. It's no different than giving booze to a 12 year old.

• When teens drink they tend to drink heavily

• The later a youth is introduced to alcohol the less likely they are to have problems surrounding drinking; DWIs, school dropout rates, dependency, traffic crashes and violent crimes. Waiting until 21 to consume alcohol gives them the best odds.

sources: U.S. Department of Transportation, National High Traffic Administration-Underage Drinking Prevention Project; MN Department of Health and Education; MN Department of Public Safety, Office of Traffic Safety.

Do you think your sources may have an agenda?

I wonder if having an 18 year old in a war zone has an adverse impact on his mental health and could lead to bad physical outcomes?

I don't disagree that there are some negative consequences of drinking to excess, but I'd say that's probably true at any age.

The fact is that we treat 18 year olds as an adult in every way I can think of save for drinking age. If an 18 year old stupidly signs a contract that's bad for him at 18, we don't say "Ah, you're only 18, we'll give you a pass on this, forget about it". No, he's treated just like any other adult.

You won't change my opinion on this and I'm betting I won't change yours.

I just can't personally reconcile treating an 18 year old as an adult for everything, both good or bad consequences, and not allowing them to drink alcohol. and it's not like I'm anywhere close to that age.

What agenda? Reducing the amount of deaths, birth defects and other damaging factors related to drinking?

I think it's pretty silly to assume that the amount of traffic fatalities wouldn't rise by lowering the drinking age.

I see you ignored the 18 year old on a battlefield, think that has some adverse impacts?

We as humans do a lot of stuff that isn't good for us.

That's not a very good comparison. Enlisting in the military is not necessarily going to the battlefield. I also addressed this point earlier in the thread.

Quote:Arguing that an 18-year-old can join the service and fight for our nation so they should be able to drink legally means permitting doing something harmful to their emotional and physical wellbeing. Drinking should never be considered a reward or right of passage.

Teens in the 1900's





Teens today:




So who do you think was more responsible?

(04-24-2014 10:24 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Teens in the 1900's





Teens today:




So who do you think was more responsible?

The left has really done a number on our young men. It's a bad experiment in androgyny. They might as well inject them with soy and hormone replacement chemicals.

(04-23-2014 08:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:49 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:45 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:44 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  The countries who have the drinking age at 18 (or lower) also don't make alcohol that "big of a deal". You learn responsibility early and they don't have all these shows that glamorize getting wasted (Skins didn't really glamorize it). We have to retool our culture a bit for lowering the drinking age to be a success.

With that being said, I'm behind the principle of lowering the age.

Some people in the United States often cite, incorrectly, that European countries with lower drinking ages show fewer youth alcohol problems than the U.S. The Minnesota Department of Health website shares information stating that U.S. 15 and 16 year olds drank less and binged less than 35 European Nations and that 75 percent of the European nations had a higher percentage of youth drinking to intoxication.

Many European countries have made changes during the last decade and for good reason.
France saw a 50 percent increase in the number of 15-24 year olds hospitalized for excessive alcohol use between 2004 and 2007. During this time, alcohol was the leading cause of death among the French. In 2009, France raised the MLDA from 16 to 18 and banned open bars (for a single fee drink as much as wanted). It is not a reach to expect these countries to make even more changes in the next decade showing a firmer grip on their youth’s consumption.

When is a person an adult in your eyes?

legally 21. Emotionally mid 20s. Don't overshadow the facts with my opinion on adulthood.

I was just getting a gauge. In your opinion people shouldn't be able to buy cigarettes, enlist in the military, vote, move out of the house, own a home, take out a loan, or be able to sign any papers on their own accord?

I know that paragraph may seem like a bunch of straw men, but I believe that an adult is an adult. If you can do all of the above things, you should be able to drink if you want to. We have to be consistent.

Hold on now, there's a reason everything isn't the same age. You can buy tobacco at 18 because it doesn't intoxicate your skills, while alcohol DOES. IMO, legal drinking age should be 25.

(04-23-2014 09:13 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 09:02 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:49 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  When is a person an adult in your eyes?

legally 21. Emotionally mid 20s. Don't overshadow the facts with my opinion on adulthood.

I was just getting a gauge. In your opinion people shouldn't be able to buy cigarettes, enlist in the military, vote, move out of the house, own a home, take out a loan, or be able to sign any papers on their own accord?

I know that paragraph may seem like a bunch of straw men, but I believe that an adult is an adult. If you can do all of the above things, you should be able to drink if you want to. We have to be consistent.

There are physiological reasons the drinking age is 21 years old. There is potential harm alcohol may have on the developing brain, which is maturing well into the 20s. Your libertarian views never account for such things.

Joining the military is not altering you chemical makeup. Joining the military is not putting others in danger because you are young, dumb and decide to drive you dad's car back drunk

We went almost 200 years with a drinking age less than 21 years old. We didn't really suffer then did we?

So you're saying that joining the military is safer than having beers?

No, but we didn't have over 300,000,000 people here either. When things start getting crowded, it gets easier to step on toes.

(04-24-2014 10:44 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:49 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:45 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Some people in the United States often cite, incorrectly, that European countries with lower drinking ages show fewer youth alcohol problems than the U.S. The Minnesota Department of Health website shares information stating that U.S. 15 and 16 year olds drank less and binged less than 35 European Nations and that 75 percent of the European nations had a higher percentage of youth drinking to intoxication.

Many European countries have made changes during the last decade and for good reason.
France saw a 50 percent increase in the number of 15-24 year olds hospitalized for excessive alcohol use between 2004 and 2007. During this time, alcohol was the leading cause of death among the French. In 2009, France raised the MLDA from 16 to 18 and banned open bars (for a single fee drink as much as wanted). It is not a reach to expect these countries to make even more changes in the next decade showing a firmer grip on their youth’s consumption.

When is a person an adult in your eyes?

legally 21. Emotionally mid 20s. Don't overshadow the facts with my opinion on adulthood.

I was just getting a gauge. In your opinion people shouldn't be able to buy cigarettes, enlist in the military, vote, move out of the house, own a home, take out a loan, or be able to sign any papers on their own accord?

I know that paragraph may seem like a bunch of straw men, but I believe that an adult is an adult. If you can do all of the above things, you should be able to drink if you want to. We have to be consistent.

Hold on now, there's a reason everything isn't the same age. You can buy tobacco at 18 because it doesn't intoxicate your skills, while alcohol DOES. IMO, legal drinking age should be 25.

I think 40 is better. Look how more lives we'll save. Tons and tons of 25 year olds that still aren't "grown up" yet.

Yep. I pick 40.

(04-24-2014 10:44 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:49 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:45 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Some people in the United States often cite, incorrectly, that European countries with lower drinking ages show fewer youth alcohol problems than the U.S. The Minnesota Department of Health website shares information stating that U.S. 15 and 16 year olds drank less and binged less than 35 European Nations and that 75 percent of the European nations had a higher percentage of youth drinking to intoxication.

Many European countries have made changes during the last decade and for good reason.
France saw a 50 percent increase in the number of 15-24 year olds hospitalized for excessive alcohol use between 2004 and 2007. During this time, alcohol was the leading cause of death among the French. In 2009, France raised the MLDA from 16 to 18 and banned open bars (for a single fee drink as much as wanted). It is not a reach to expect these countries to make even more changes in the next decade showing a firmer grip on their youth’s consumption.

When is a person an adult in your eyes?

legally 21. Emotionally mid 20s. Don't overshadow the facts with my opinion on adulthood.

I was just getting a gauge. In your opinion people shouldn't be able to buy cigarettes, enlist in the military, vote, move out of the house, own a home, take out a loan, or be able to sign any papers on their own accord?

I know that paragraph may seem like a bunch of straw men, but I believe that an adult is an adult. If you can do all of the above things, you should be able to drink if you want to. We have to be consistent.

Hold on now, there's a reason everything isn't the same age. You can buy tobacco at 18 because it doesn't intoxicate your skills, while alcohol DOES. IMO, legal drinking age should be 25.

So you're saying that a person that gets married at 18-25 shouldn't be able to have wine at their wedding? That falls in that age group.

(04-24-2014 10:59 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:44 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:49 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  When is a person an adult in your eyes?

legally 21. Emotionally mid 20s. Don't overshadow the facts with my opinion on adulthood.

I was just getting a gauge. In your opinion people shouldn't be able to buy cigarettes, enlist in the military, vote, move out of the house, own a home, take out a loan, or be able to sign any papers on their own accord?

I know that paragraph may seem like a bunch of straw men, but I believe that an adult is an adult. If you can do all of the above things, you should be able to drink if you want to. We have to be consistent.

Hold on now, there's a reason everything isn't the same age. You can buy tobacco at 18 because it doesn't intoxicate your skills, while alcohol DOES. IMO, legal drinking age should be 25.

So you're saying that a person that gets married at 18-25 shouldn't be able to have wine at their wedding? That falls in that age group.

Why don't you focus on the problem instead of making silly comparison. Here is what you are promoting.

"It's ok that more people will die from alcohol related deaths because at least 18 year olds will be able to have a glass of wine at their wedding."

(04-24-2014 11:04 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:59 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:44 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  legally 21. Emotionally mid 20s. Don't overshadow the facts with my opinion on adulthood.

I was just getting a gauge. In your opinion people shouldn't be able to buy cigarettes, enlist in the military, vote, move out of the house, own a home, take out a loan, or be able to sign any papers on their own accord?

I know that paragraph may seem like a bunch of straw men, but I believe that an adult is an adult. If you can do all of the above things, you should be able to drink if you want to. We have to be consistent.

Hold on now, there's a reason everything isn't the same age. You can buy tobacco at 18 because it doesn't intoxicate your skills, while alcohol DOES. IMO, legal drinking age should be 25.

So you're saying that a person that gets married at 18-25 shouldn't be able to have wine at their wedding? That falls in that age group.

Why don't you focus on the problem instead of making silly comparison. Here is what you are promoting.

"It's ok that more people will die from alcohol related deaths because at least 18 year olds will be able to have a glass of wine at their wedding."

Yes - because they are treated as adults legally IN EVERY OTHER WAY.

Look, I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. That's okay.

We agree on plenty of other stuff and we're not married so you can't make me sleep on the couch.

(04-24-2014 11:09 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 11:04 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:59 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:44 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I was just getting a gauge. In your opinion people shouldn't be able to buy cigarettes, enlist in the military, vote, move out of the house, own a home, take out a loan, or be able to sign any papers on their own accord?

I know that paragraph may seem like a bunch of straw men, but I believe that an adult is an adult. If you can do all of the above things, you should be able to drink if you want to. We have to be consistent.

Hold on now, there's a reason everything isn't the same age. You can buy tobacco at 18 because it doesn't intoxicate your skills, while alcohol DOES. IMO, legal drinking age should be 25.

So you're saying that a person that gets married at 18-25 shouldn't be able to have wine at their wedding? That falls in that age group.

Why don't you focus on the problem instead of making silly comparison. Here is what you are promoting.

"It's ok that more people will die from alcohol related deaths because at least 18 year olds will be able to have a glass of wine at their wedding."

Yes - because they are treated as adults legally IN EVERY OTHER WAY.

Look, I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. That's okay.

We agree on plenty of other stuff and we're not married so you can't make me sleep on the couch.

I won't make you do that

However.... An 18 year old cannot:
-run for President.
-Adopt a child.
-Drive a bus.
-in some places become a firefighter.
-apply for a professor position.
-sign a letter of intent
-becoming a airline transport pilot

I can go on and on.

(04-24-2014 10:59 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:44 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:49 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  When is a person an adult in your eyes?

legally 21. Emotionally mid 20s. Don't overshadow the facts with my opinion on adulthood.

I was just getting a gauge. In your opinion people shouldn't be able to buy cigarettes, enlist in the military, vote, move out of the house, own a home, take out a loan, or be able to sign any papers on their own accord?

I know that paragraph may seem like a bunch of straw men, but I believe that an adult is an adult. If you can do all of the above things, you should be able to drink if you want to. We have to be consistent.

Hold on now, there's a reason everything isn't the same age. You can buy tobacco at 18 because it doesn't intoxicate your skills, while alcohol DOES. IMO, legal drinking age should be 25.

So you're saying that a person that gets married at 18-25 shouldn't be able to have wine at their wedding? That falls in that age group.

I've mentioned plenty of times throughout this thread that if you're 18, or even younger, and are responsible enough to drink without getting busted or hurt someone then go right ahead. I did it at 18 too. I just don't want to open that door where a group of 18 year olds can crew up and roll on down to the bar and get wasted. We have enough legal aged kids making bad decisions as it is.

So to answer your question, go ahead and drink a glass of wine at your wedding, or at your house, but be responsible and don't get caught drinking underage.

(04-24-2014 01:39 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:59 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:44 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  legally 21. Emotionally mid 20s. Don't overshadow the facts with my opinion on adulthood.

I was just getting a gauge. In your opinion people shouldn't be able to buy cigarettes, enlist in the military, vote, move out of the house, own a home, take out a loan, or be able to sign any papers on their own accord?

I know that paragraph may seem like a bunch of straw men, but I believe that an adult is an adult. If you can do all of the above things, you should be able to drink if you want to. We have to be consistent.

Hold on now, there's a reason everything isn't the same age. You can buy tobacco at 18 because it doesn't intoxicate your skills, while alcohol DOES. IMO, legal drinking age should be 25.

So you're saying that a person that gets married at 18-25 shouldn't be able to have wine at their wedding? That falls in that age group.

I've mentioned plenty of times throughout this thread that if you're 18, or even younger, and are responsible enough to drink without getting busted or hurt someone then go right ahead. I did it at 18 too. I just don't want to open that door where a group of 18 year olds can crew up and roll on down to the bar and get wasted. We have enough legal aged kids making bad decisions as it is.

So to answer your question, go ahead and drink a glass of wine at your wedding, or at your house, but be responsible and don't get caught drinking underage.

You said 18 through 25.

(04-24-2014 10:29 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:24 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Teens in the 1900's





Teens today:




So who do you think was more responsible?

The left has really done a number on our young men. It's a bad experiment in androgyny. They might as well inject them with soy and hormone replacement chemicals.

And the sad part, Okla, is that the liberals think this is cool and they deserve to be flamboyant and act like an idiot... As long as mommy and daddy (if he's around, better if he isn't) don't spank or reprimand kid too much. You have to remember that we're talking about a group of mentally ill individuals that also prefer homosexual couples and single mother families on government assistance.

(04-24-2014 11:04 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:59 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:44 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  legally 21. Emotionally mid 20s. Don't overshadow the facts with my opinion on adulthood.

I was just getting a gauge. In your opinion people shouldn't be able to buy cigarettes, enlist in the military, vote, move out of the house, own a home, take out a loan, or be able to sign any papers on their own accord?

I know that paragraph may seem like a bunch of straw men, but I believe that an adult is an adult. If you can do all of the above things, you should be able to drink if you want to. We have to be consistent.

Hold on now, there's a reason everything isn't the same age. You can buy tobacco at 18 because it doesn't intoxicate your skills, while alcohol DOES. IMO, legal drinking age should be 25.

So you're saying that a person that gets married at 18-25 shouldn't be able to have wine at their wedding? That falls in that age group.

Why don't you focus on the problem instead of making silly comparison. Here is what you are promoting.

"It's ok that more people will die from alcohol related deaths because at least 18 year olds will be able to have a glass of wine at their wedding."

Not really a silly comparison. These are things you're able to do as an adult. You can get married, start a family, risk life and limb in the military, sign contracts, take out loans, etc. but alcohol is over the line?

(04-24-2014 11:09 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 11:04 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:59 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:44 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I was just getting a gauge. In your opinion people shouldn't be able to buy cigarettes, enlist in the military, vote, move out of the house, own a home, take out a loan, or be able to sign any papers on their own accord?

I know that paragraph may seem like a bunch of straw men, but I believe that an adult is an adult. If you can do all of the above things, you should be able to drink if you want to. We have to be consistent.

Hold on now, there's a reason everything isn't the same age. You can buy tobacco at 18 because it doesn't intoxicate your skills, while alcohol DOES. IMO, legal drinking age should be 25.

So you're saying that a person that gets married at 18-25 shouldn't be able to have wine at their wedding? That falls in that age group.

Why don't you focus on the problem instead of making silly comparison. Here is what you are promoting.

"It's ok that more people will die from alcohol related deaths because at least 18 year olds will be able to have a glass of wine at their wedding."

Yes - because they are treated as adults legally IN EVERY OTHER WAY.

Look, I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. That's okay.

We agree on plenty of other stuff and we're not married so you can't make me sleep on the couch.

TO THE COUCH, NOW!

(04-24-2014 12:55 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 11:09 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 11:04 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:59 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:44 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Hold on now, there's a reason everything isn't the same age. You can buy tobacco at 18 because it doesn't intoxicate your skills, while alcohol DOES. IMO, legal drinking age should be 25.

So you're saying that a person that gets married at 18-25 shouldn't be able to have wine at their wedding? That falls in that age group.

Why don't you focus on the problem instead of making silly comparison. Here is what you are promoting.

"It's ok that more people will die from alcohol related deaths because at least 18 year olds will be able to have a glass of wine at their wedding."

Yes - because they are treated as adults legally IN EVERY OTHER WAY.

Look, I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. That's okay.

We agree on plenty of other stuff and we're not married so you can't make me sleep on the couch.

I won't make you do that

However.... An 18 year old cannot:
-run for President.
-Adopt a child.
-Drive a bus.
-in some places become a firefighter.
-apply for a professor position.
-sign a letter of intent
-becoming a airline transport pilot

I can go on and on.

Yep, can't get your commercial driver's license or work in the oilfield (unless you want to roughneck) until you turn 21... There's a reason ages are different for legality.

(04-24-2014 01:47 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 11:04 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:59 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:44 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I was just getting a gauge. In your opinion people shouldn't be able to buy cigarettes, enlist in the military, vote, move out of the house, own a home, take out a loan, or be able to sign any papers on their own accord?

I know that paragraph may seem like a bunch of straw men, but I believe that an adult is an adult. If you can do all of the above things, you should be able to drink if you want to. We have to be consistent.

Hold on now, there's a reason everything isn't the same age. You can buy tobacco at 18 because it doesn't intoxicate your skills, while alcohol DOES. IMO, legal drinking age should be 25.

So you're saying that a person that gets married at 18-25 shouldn't be able to have wine at their wedding? That falls in that age group.

Why don't you focus on the problem instead of making silly comparison. Here is what you are promoting.

"It's ok that more people will die from alcohol related deaths because at least 18 year olds will be able to have a glass of wine at their wedding."

Not really a silly comparison. These are things you're able to do as an adult. You can get married, start a family, risk life and limb in the military, sign contracts, take out loans, etc. but alcohol is over the line?

Read post 211. You really haven't laid out an effective argument as to why 18 year olds should be allowed to drink legally other than they are allowed to do other things.

You have failed to demonstrate why it is prudent to bypass the facts regarding statistical related alcohol deaths associated with 18 year olds and the effects alcohol has on the under developed brain. Joining the military has nothing to do with ingesting poisons...which is exactly what drugs are. Joining the military does not put the general public at risk.

(04-24-2014 01:42 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 01:39 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:59 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-24-2014 10:44 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 08:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I was just getting a gauge. In your opinion people shouldn't be able to buy cigarettes, enlist in the military, vote, move out of the house, own a home, take out a loan, or be able to sign any papers on their own accord?

I know that paragraph may seem like a bunch of straw men, but I believe that an adult is an adult. If you can do all of the above things, you should be able to drink if you want to. We have to be consistent.

Hold on now, there's a reason everything isn't the same age. You can buy tobacco at 18 because it doesn't intoxicate your skills, while alcohol DOES. IMO, legal drinking age should be 25.

So you're saying that a person that gets married at 18-25 shouldn't be able to have wine at their wedding? That falls in that age group.

I've mentioned plenty of times throughout this thread that if you're 18, or even younger, and are responsible enough to drink without getting busted or hurt someone then go right ahead. I did it at 18 too. I just don't want to open that door where a group of 18 year olds can crew up and roll on down to the bar and get wasted. We have enough legal aged kids making bad decisions as it is.

So to answer your question, go ahead and drink a glass of wine at your wedding, or at your house, but be responsible and don't get caught drinking underage.

You said 18 through 25.

Yes, 25. To get into bars, clubs, etc. Drink at home, but wait until you're a little more mature before getting the chance to make your own decision about what to do after getting wasted at a bar.

You can't be a cop in El Paso either. A firefighter, yes, but not a cop.