(02-25-2014 09:58 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

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(02-25-2014 09:29 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:00 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:28 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  He was considered average at the beginning; going in between the 3rd and 5th round. Coming out just made some people decide that he should go super high, while making others think that he shouldn't even make it.

I see why he really didn't want to come out in the first place.

I believe he wanted to, it brought him attention. There are far too many steps he could have taken to dance away from the question, "Is your girlfriend going to be at your games?"

But why jump through those hoops? Why play dumb cat-and-mouse games with the media, and then give them a "gotcha" moment when he's found out to be gay AND and a liar?

And how's he going to keep a lid on it when his whole damn college team knew?

All he did was diffuse a ticking bomb, and I don't blame him a bit.

He'll land somewhere (or not) according to his abilities.

And if he flames out (no pun intended) like a helluva lot of rookies do, there will be crybabies saying it was because he was gay, and they'll be wrong.

Well how about, it's nobodys business? When asked, "I don't find it necessary to discuss my personal life, but let's DO talk football." That's how it should be whether you're gay or not. Either the NFL used him as bait to get attention or he did it to himself, one or the other. If this was 10 years ago, nobody is even thinking about whether he's gay or not. ESPN was actually interested in discussing football to football players.

Because he'd be badgered about it mercilessly by that same media. Try being a public figure and telling a reporter "it's none of your business" and see what happens.

TMZ makes its living off that crap.

"I don't find it necessary to discuss my personal life, this is about football. We can discuss my personal life some other time, I just want to focus on the draft and my draft stock and do the best I can. What's your next question?"

TMZ is equivilent to a 15 year old High School drama queen. I don't know how anyone above the age of 17 would even watch that crap shoot.

(02-25-2014 10:08 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:58 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:51 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:29 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:00 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I believe he wanted to, it brought him attention. There are far too many steps he could have taken to dance away from the question, "Is your girlfriend going to be at your games?"

But why jump through those hoops? Why play dumb cat-and-mouse games with the media, and then give them a "gotcha" moment when he's found out to be gay AND and a liar?

And how's he going to keep a lid on it when his whole damn college team knew?

All he did was diffuse a ticking bomb, and I don't blame him a bit.

He'll land somewhere (or not) according to his abilities.

And if he flames out (no pun intended) like a helluva lot of rookies do, there will be crybabies saying it was because he was gay, and they'll be wrong.

Well how about, it's nobodys business? When asked, "I don't find it necessary to discuss my personal life, but let's DO talk football." That's how it should be whether you're gay or not. Either the NFL used him as bait to get attention or he did it to himself, one or the other. If this was 10 years ago, nobody is even thinking about whether he's gay or not. ESPN was actually interested in discussing football to football players.

Because he'd be badgered about it mercilessly by that same media. Try being a public figure and telling a reporter "it's none of your business" and see what happens.

TMZ makes its living off that crap.

"I don't find it necessary to discuss my personal life, this is about football. We can discuss my personal life some other time, I just want to focus on the draft and my draft stock and do the best I can. What's your next question?"

TMZ is equivilent to a 15 year old High School drama queen. I don't know how anyone above the age of 17 would even watch that crap shoot.

So, he makes that public statement. Given that all his family, friends, and teammates know he's gay, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

If so, I've got some lovely beachfront property in Pike County and I can let you have for a song.

Lawyers are already lining up to represent Sam if he isn't at least a first round choice. They will scream discrimination and the Obama regime will agree. Holder will offer the whole justice department to help with the lawsuit. Obama will threaten to shut down the NFL.

This was a great financial ploy by Michael Sam.

(02-25-2014 10:50 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Lawyers are already lining up to represent Sam if he isn't at least a first round choice. They will scream discrimination and the Obama regime will agree. Holder will offer the whole justice department to help with the lawsuit. Obama will threaten to shut down the NFL.

I guess we'll all find out together.

(02-25-2014 10:51 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  This was a great financial ploy by Michael Sam.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

He essentially ensured that he'd be a Top 3 round pick with this. Not a chance in hell that there aren't a few teams who are willing to reach for him for the publicity he'll generate and the goodwill the franchise will get for being "progressive."

It'll start to look very bad for the NFL if he's not drafted by the fourth round. I wouldn't be surprised if Goddell strong arms or bribes a team into drafting him.

(02-25-2014 10:17 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 10:08 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:58 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:51 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:29 AM)Smaug Wrote:  But why jump through those hoops? Why play dumb cat-and-mouse games with the media, and then give them a "gotcha" moment when he's found out to be gay AND and a liar?

And how's he going to keep a lid on it when his whole damn college team knew?

All he did was diffuse a ticking bomb, and I don't blame him a bit.

He'll land somewhere (or not) according to his abilities.

And if he flames out (no pun intended) like a helluva lot of rookies do, there will be crybabies saying it was because he was gay, and they'll be wrong.

Well how about, it's nobodys business? When asked, "I don't find it necessary to discuss my personal life, but let's DO talk football." That's how it should be whether you're gay or not. Either the NFL used him as bait to get attention or he did it to himself, one or the other. If this was 10 years ago, nobody is even thinking about whether he's gay or not. ESPN was actually interested in discussing football to football players.

Because he'd be badgered about it mercilessly by that same media. Try being a public figure and telling a reporter "it's none of your business" and see what happens.

TMZ makes its living off that crap.

"I don't find it necessary to discuss my personal life, this is about football. We can discuss my personal life some other time, I just want to focus on the draft and my draft stock and do the best I can. What's your next question?"

TMZ is equivilent to a 15 year old High School drama queen. I don't know how anyone above the age of 17 would even watch that crap shoot.

So, he makes that public statement. Given that all his family, friends, and teammates know he's gay, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

If so, I've got some lovely beachfront property in Pike County and I can let you have for a song.

You don't have to be a smartass. He could have easily said that his personal life could have been discussed when he was ready. Who the hell goes on national television for a discussion about professional football and discuss their personal life instead? They made a mountain out of a mole hill.

I feel sorry for Sam. Extremists and gay crusaders are running this for all it is worth and destroying this kid to do it.

(02-25-2014 11:18 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 10:17 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 10:08 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:58 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:51 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Well how about, it's nobodys business? When asked, "I don't find it necessary to discuss my personal life, but let's DO talk football." That's how it should be whether you're gay or not. Either the NFL used him as bait to get attention or he did it to himself, one or the other. If this was 10 years ago, nobody is even thinking about whether he's gay or not. ESPN was actually interested in discussing football to football players.

Because he'd be badgered about it mercilessly by that same media. Try being a public figure and telling a reporter "it's none of your business" and see what happens.

TMZ makes its living off that crap.

"I don't find it necessary to discuss my personal life, this is about football. We can discuss my personal life some other time, I just want to focus on the draft and my draft stock and do the best I can. What's your next question?"

TMZ is equivilent to a 15 year old High School drama queen. I don't know how anyone above the age of 17 would even watch that crap shoot.

So, he makes that public statement. Given that all his family, friends, and teammates know he's gay, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

If so, I've got some lovely beachfront property in Pike County and I can let you have for a song.

You don't have to be a smartass. He could have easily said that his personal life could have been discussed when he was ready. Who the hell goes on national television for a discussion about professional football and discuss their personal life instead? They made a mountain out of a mole hill.

If you are a suspected gay NFL player, in this feeding frenzy media environment, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

Really?

I think the kid knew damn well this would happen and made a calculated move to diffuse it. Get all the wailing about it out of the way before he sets foot on a field.

Won't happen of course, because it'll be a circus wherever he lands, but I'm just not sure he had any better options.

Lawyers are already lining up to represent Sam if he isn't at least a first round choice. They will scream discrimination and the Obama regime will agree. Holder will offer the whole justice department to help with the lawsuit. Obama will threaten to shut down the NFL.



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Utter rubbish

(02-25-2014 11:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:18 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 10:17 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 10:08 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:58 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Because he'd be badgered about it mercilessly by that same media. Try being a public figure and telling a reporter "it's none of your business" and see what happens.

TMZ makes its living off that crap.

"I don't find it necessary to discuss my personal life, this is about football. We can discuss my personal life some other time, I just want to focus on the draft and my draft stock and do the best I can. What's your next question?"

TMZ is equivilent to a 15 year old High School drama queen. I don't know how anyone above the age of 17 would even watch that crap shoot.

So, he makes that public statement. Given that all his family, friends, and teammates know he's gay, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

If so, I've got some lovely beachfront property in Pike County and I can let you have for a song.

You don't have to be a smartass. He could have easily said that his personal life could have been discussed when he was ready. Who the hell goes on national television for a discussion about professional football and discuss their personal life instead? They made a mountain out of a mole hill.

If you are a suspected gay NFL player, in this feeding frenzy media environment, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

Really?

I think the kid knew damn well this would happen and made a calculated move to diffuse it. Get all the wailing about it out of the way before he sets foot on a field.

Won't happen of course, because it'll be a circus wherever he lands, but I'm just not sure he had any better options.

Waiting until the draft was over, at least, would have put all talks away about him doing it simply for stock. I understand what you're saying but I I think this could have been put off. How long did Obama scoff at America for wanting to see his BC? Four years and some?

I think he did it to avoid the situation he would have faced if it was discovered and revealed in some startling fashion.

The sad thing is, damned if you do, pro gay groups drag you over the coals to squeeze every last drop of political value out of you, and damned if you don't, imagine the ESPN exposure and the running tabloids.

(02-25-2014 11:31 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think he did it to avoid the situation he would have faced if it was discovered and revealed in some startling fashion.

The sad thing is, damned if you do, pro gay groups drag you over the coals to squeeze every last drop of political value out of you, and damned if you don't, imagine the ESPN exposure and the running tabloids.

Yep, all he is being used for is bait...

(02-25-2014 11:28 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:18 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 10:17 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 10:08 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  "I don't find it necessary to discuss my personal life, this is about football. We can discuss my personal life some other time, I just want to focus on the draft and my draft stock and do the best I can. What's your next question?"

TMZ is equivilent to a 15 year old High School drama queen. I don't know how anyone above the age of 17 would even watch that crap shoot.

So, he makes that public statement. Given that all his family, friends, and teammates know he's gay, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

If so, I've got some lovely beachfront property in Pike County and I can let you have for a song.

You don't have to be a smartass. He could have easily said that his personal life could have been discussed when he was ready. Who the hell goes on national television for a discussion about professional football and discuss their personal life instead? They made a mountain out of a mole hill.

If you are a suspected gay NFL player, in this feeding frenzy media environment, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

Really?

I think the kid knew damn well this would happen and made a calculated move to diffuse it. Get all the wailing about it out of the way before he sets foot on a field.

Won't happen of course, because it'll be a circus wherever he lands, but I'm just not sure he had any better options.

Waiting until the draft was over, at least, would have put all talks away about him doing it simply for stock. I understand what you're saying but I I think this could have been put off. How long did Obama scoff at America for wanting to see his BC? Four years and some?

He definitely should have put this thing off. At least if he waited, he would have the support of guys in the locker room that knew him and befriended him. But, if I am a guy in that locker room getting questions about this dude being gay everyday and I don't know him (maybe don't like him), I really could do without him on my team.

(02-25-2014 11:28 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:18 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 10:17 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 10:08 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  "I don't find it necessary to discuss my personal life, this is about football. We can discuss my personal life some other time, I just want to focus on the draft and my draft stock and do the best I can. What's your next question?"

TMZ is equivilent to a 15 year old High School drama queen. I don't know how anyone above the age of 17 would even watch that crap shoot.

So, he makes that public statement. Given that all his family, friends, and teammates know he's gay, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

If so, I've got some lovely beachfront property in Pike County and I can let you have for a song.

You don't have to be a smartass. He could have easily said that his personal life could have been discussed when he was ready. Who the hell goes on national television for a discussion about professional football and discuss their personal life instead? They made a mountain out of a mole hill.

If you are a suspected gay NFL player, in this feeding frenzy media environment, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

Really?

I think the kid knew damn well this would happen and made a calculated move to diffuse it. Get all the wailing about it out of the way before he sets foot on a field.

Won't happen of course, because it'll be a circus wherever he lands, but I'm just not sure he had any better options.

Waiting until the draft was over, at least, would have put all talks away about him doing it simply for stock. I understand what you're saying but I I think this could have been put off. How long did Obama scoff at America for wanting to see his BC? Four years and some?

You really don't think it would have come up before the draft, as much as teams try to get into a kid's head before the draft?

And Obama's birth certificate is immaterial to this conversation.

(02-25-2014 11:48 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:28 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:18 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 10:17 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, he makes that public statement. Given that all his family, friends, and teammates know he's gay, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

If so, I've got some lovely beachfront property in Pike County and I can let you have for a song.

You don't have to be a smartass. He could have easily said that his personal life could have been discussed when he was ready. Who the hell goes on national television for a discussion about professional football and discuss their personal life instead? They made a mountain out of a mole hill.

If you are a suspected gay NFL player, in this feeding frenzy media environment, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

Really?

I think the kid knew damn well this would happen and made a calculated move to diffuse it. Get all the wailing about it out of the way before he sets foot on a field.

Won't happen of course, because it'll be a circus wherever he lands, but I'm just not sure he had any better options.

Waiting until the draft was over, at least, would have put all talks away about him doing it simply for stock. I understand what you're saying but I I think this could have been put off. How long did Obama scoff at America for wanting to see his BC? Four years and some?

He definitely should have put this thing off. At least if he waited, he would have the support of guys in the locker room that knew him and befriended him. But, if I am a guy in that locker room getting questions about this dude being gay everyday and I don't know him (maybe don't like him), I really could do without him on my team.

That's exactly what Jonathan Vilma was saying about him... What if we're all in the showers and you know he likes other dudes and you catch him accidentally looking down at you, you're GONNA get pissed.

Vilma nailed it just right.

(02-25-2014 11:51 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:28 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:18 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 10:17 AM)Smaug Wrote:  So, he makes that public statement. Given that all his family, friends, and teammates know he's gay, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

If so, I've got some lovely beachfront property in Pike County and I can let you have for a song.

You don't have to be a smartass. He could have easily said that his personal life could have been discussed when he was ready. Who the hell goes on national television for a discussion about professional football and discuss their personal life instead? They made a mountain out of a mole hill.

If you are a suspected gay NFL player, in this feeding frenzy media environment, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

Really?

I think the kid knew damn well this would happen and made a calculated move to diffuse it. Get all the wailing about it out of the way before he sets foot on a field.

Won't happen of course, because it'll be a circus wherever he lands, but I'm just not sure he had any better options.

Waiting until the draft was over, at least, would have put all talks away about him doing it simply for stock. I understand what you're saying but I I think this could have been put off. How long did Obama scoff at America for wanting to see his BC? Four years and some?

You really don't think it would have come up before the draft, as much as teams try to get into a kid's head before the draft?

And Obama's birth certificate is immaterial to this conversation.

Obama is a public figure who kept delaying one certain question, it's not immaterial to this. He dealt with the pressure just fine by scoffing, Sam could have done the same.

(02-25-2014 11:55 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:48 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:28 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:18 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  You don't have to be a smartass. He could have easily said that his personal life could have been discussed when he was ready. Who the hell goes on national television for a discussion about professional football and discuss their personal life instead? They made a mountain out of a mole hill.

If you are a suspected gay NFL player, in this feeding frenzy media environment, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

Really?

I think the kid knew damn well this would happen and made a calculated move to diffuse it. Get all the wailing about it out of the way before he sets foot on a field.

Won't happen of course, because it'll be a circus wherever he lands, but I'm just not sure he had any better options.

Waiting until the draft was over, at least, would have put all talks away about him doing it simply for stock. I understand what you're saying but I I think this could have been put off. How long did Obama scoff at America for wanting to see his BC? Four years and some?

He definitely should have put this thing off. At least if he waited, he would have the support of guys in the locker room that knew him and befriended him. But, if I am a guy in that locker room getting questions about this dude being gay everyday and I don't know him (maybe don't like him), I really could do without him on my team.

That's exactly what Jonathan Vilma was saying about him... What if we're all in the showers and you know he likes other dudes and you catch him accidentally looking down at you, you're GONNA get pissed.

Vilma nailed it just right.

Mizzou seemed to find a way to make it work. 18-21 year old kids. I would hope professionals could manage.

(02-25-2014 11:57 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:51 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:28 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:18 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  You don't have to be a smartass. He could have easily said that his personal life could have been discussed when he was ready. Who the hell goes on national television for a discussion about professional football and discuss their personal life instead? They made a mountain out of a mole hill.

If you are a suspected gay NFL player, in this feeding frenzy media environment, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

Really?

I think the kid knew damn well this would happen and made a calculated move to diffuse it. Get all the wailing about it out of the way before he sets foot on a field.

Won't happen of course, because it'll be a circus wherever he lands, but I'm just not sure he had any better options.

Waiting until the draft was over, at least, would have put all talks away about him doing it simply for stock. I understand what you're saying but I I think this could have been put off. How long did Obama scoff at America for wanting to see his BC? Four years and some?

You really don't think it would have come up before the draft, as much as teams try to get into a kid's head before the draft?

And Obama's birth certificate is immaterial to this conversation.

Obama is a public figure who kept delaying one certain question, it's not immaterial to this. He dealt with the pressure just fine by scoffing, Sam could have done the same.

It's a straw man argument that doesn't have a damn thing to do with the price of eggs in China.

(02-25-2014 11:57 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:55 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:48 AM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:28 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  If you are a suspected gay NFL player, in this feeding frenzy media environment, do you really believe that would be the end of it?

Really?

I think the kid knew damn well this would happen and made a calculated move to diffuse it. Get all the wailing about it out of the way before he sets foot on a field.

Won't happen of course, because it'll be a circus wherever he lands, but I'm just not sure he had any better options.

Waiting until the draft was over, at least, would have put all talks away about him doing it simply for stock. I understand what you're saying but I I think this could have been put off. How long did Obama scoff at America for wanting to see his BC? Four years and some?

He definitely should have put this thing off. At least if he waited, he would have the support of guys in the locker room that knew him and befriended him. But, if I am a guy in that locker room getting questions about this dude being gay everyday and I don't know him (maybe don't like him), I really could do without him on my team.

That's exactly what Jonathan Vilma was saying about him... What if we're all in the showers and you know he likes other dudes and you catch him accidentally looking down at you, you're GONNA get pissed.

Vilma nailed it just right.

Mizzou seemed to find a way to make it work. 18-21 year old kids. I would hope professionals could manage.

Good point, and nobody besides THEM knew he was gay, am I right?