(02-14-2014 10:48 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Point One...agreed UConn is the major brand in Hoops in NE (was thinking more FB)

Point Two...somewhat agree but from personal observation I can say UConn fans are among the rudest I've come across. (Not as bad as WVU but worse than the typical P5 school) Could be a rival thing (Cuse vs UConn)...but I've heard the same from fans of other schools.

Point taken. I do think that UCONN fans are more hostile toward other regional rival schools, and I think recent CR has magnified it. Parts of Connecticut and New England can be very cliquey at times, where we're not openly friendly or overly hospitable to "outsiders." It's just a part of the culture I suppose.

(02-14-2014 09:52 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 09:36 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 09:25 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 09:17 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 09:02 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  There is no FB hierarchy in New England until games are played between the two.

Ready when you are for that one.

Certainly won't dispute that head-to-head games aren't a good measure. That said, in the absence of games, I think one can safely rely on other measures to get a good indication as to the status of the respective programs in NE. TV ratings are one such tool.

BC and Uconn did not play against each other in BB for, what? 9 years? That doesn't mean that I didn't know that BC was behind Uconn in the BB hierarchy in NE during those years.

UConn beat BC like twenty times in a row to cement that hierarchy. I'd like to see the two teams play against eachother in football, instead of resorting to TV figures and conference payouts to decide.

OK...I'll play. If you want to use historical records in FB. BC is 12-0-1 against Uconn - including 4-0 in recent years - since 2000. So, by your logic, well, you get my point.

I think the only thing to note is that the 4 games since 2000 were the only games played while both were FBS (2 of which were played during the transition period) as UConn jumped up in 2000. It would be nice to see how the teams stack up against each other a decade later.

Has anyone actually suggested that BC isn't a bigger football name than UConn? That would be

(02-14-2014 10:48 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Point One...agreed UConn is the major brand in Hoops in NE (was thinking more FB)

Point Two...somewhat agree but from personal observation I can say UConn fans are among the rudest I've come across. (Not as bad as WVU but worse than the typical P5 school) Could be a rival thing (Cuse vs UConn)...but I've heard the same from fans of other schools.

I agree with these points. Re: the fan behavior - while I agree that all fan bases have idiots who embarrass the broader group, Uconn has had what appears to be, IMO, a more acute problem.

The fan issues at the 2003 BC-Uconn FB game at the Rent have been discussed here a number of times. and, IMO, has been an impediment to a resumption of the FB games between the two schools. I was there that day and it was not pretty. The BC students had it the worst as their busses were hit by beer bottles, reportedly cracking the window of one bus. It was indeed fortunate no one was hurt.

A year later, Uconn came to Alumni and their fans booed loudly at half-time during a presentation where one of the BC meeting rooms in its FB building was being dedicated to the memory of the late son of the BC Associate AD. I do know that many BC fans were horrified at this disrespect and lack of decency. Again, not saying that all Uconn fans, or even a majority, pull this crap, but it clearly seems to be a problem within a segment of their fanbase.

Most BC alums I have talked to have questioned the value of any ongoing series with Uconn - and this is a consideration that is often mentioned. Frankly, what is the value proposition to the BC fan? You want to support the team on the road - especially a road game close to home. As SU fans know, BC fans do travel to SU to support their team. SU fans treat BC fans with courtesy, as would be expected. Why would BC fans want to start a series with anyone where that basic expectation cannot be realized; when there are so many other options?

I know that many Uconn fans tend "poo-poo" this issue and it is not obviously the main driver in whether a series would ever resume or not. It is, however, an issue which, IMO, isn't being addressed

As Mark has pointed out, it isn't just BC fans who observe this.

Just my 2 cents.

(02-14-2014 11:18 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 10:48 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Point One...agreed UConn is the major brand in Hoops in NE (was thinking more FB)

Point Two...somewhat agree but from personal observation I can say UConn fans are among the rudest I've come across. (Not as bad as WVU but worse than the typical P5 school) Could be a rival thing (Cuse vs UConn)...but I've heard the same from fans of other schools.

I agree with these points. Re: the fan behavior - while I agree that all fan bases have idiots who embarrass the broader group, Uconn has had what appears to be, IMO, a more acute problem.

The fan issues at the 2003 BC-Uconn FB game at the Rent have been discussed here a number of times. and, IMO, has been an impediment to a resumption of the FB games between the two schools. I was there that day and it was not pretty. The BC students had it the worst as their busses were hit by beer bottles, reportedly cracking the window of one bus. It was indeed fortunate no one was hurt.

A year later, Uconn came to Alumni and their fans booed loudly at half-time during a presentation where one of the BC meeting rooms in its FB building was being dedicated to the memory of the late son of the BC Associate AD. I do know that many BC fans were horrified at this disrespect and lack of decency. Again, not saying that all Uconn fans, or even a majority, pull this crap, but it clearly seems to be a problem within a segment of their fanbase.

Just my 2 cents.

Most BC alums I have talked to have questioned the value of any continuing series with Uconn. Frankly, what is the value proposition to the BC fan? You want to support the team on the road. As SU fans know, BC fans to travel to SU to support their team. SU fans treat BC fans with courtesy, as would be expected. Why would BC fans want to start a series where that basic expectation cannot be realized?

I know that many Uconn fans tend "poo-poo" this issue and it is not obviously the main driver in whether a series would ever resume or not. It is, however, an issue which it doesn't appear Uconn is addressing.

As Mark has pointed out, it isn't just BC fans who observe this. It is something, IMO, that Uconn needs to address.

Ugly incident - yes - but eventually everyone has to move on. It's been 10 years so you'd be looking at a different crowd altogether. I work for UCONN and the current students really don't have the same animosity toward BC because the rivalry hasn't been played in so long.

If BC doesn't feel comfortable playing at the Rent, then I'm sure UCONN would be more than willing to play on a "neutral" field in Rhode Island or Massachusetts. The series may not have any value to BC as a college, but IMO it's valuable to New England football and those of us who live in the region.

(02-14-2014 11:34 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 11:18 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 10:48 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Point One...agreed UConn is the major brand in Hoops in NE (was thinking more FB)

Point Two...somewhat agree but from personal observation I can say UConn fans are among the rudest I've come across. (Not as bad as WVU but worse than the typical P5 school) Could be a rival thing (Cuse vs UConn)...but I've heard the same from fans of other schools.

I agree with these points. Re: the fan behavior - while I agree that all fan bases have idiots who embarrass the broader group, Uconn has had what appears to be, IMO, a more acute problem.

The fan issues at the 2003 BC-Uconn FB game at the Rent have been discussed here a number of times. and, IMO, has been an impediment to a resumption of the FB games between the two schools. I was there that day and it was not pretty. The BC students had it the worst as their busses were hit by beer bottles, reportedly cracking the window of one bus. It was indeed fortunate no one was hurt.

A year later, Uconn came to Alumni and their fans booed loudly at half-time during a presentation where one of the BC meeting rooms in its FB building was being dedicated to the memory of the late son of the BC Associate AD. I do know that many BC fans were horrified at this disrespect and lack of decency. Again, not saying that all Uconn fans, or even a majority, pull this crap, but it clearly seems to be a problem within a segment of their fanbase.

Just my 2 cents.

Most BC alums I have talked to have questioned the value of any continuing series with Uconn. Frankly, what is the value proposition to the BC fan? You want to support the team on the road. As SU fans know, BC fans to travel to SU to support their team. SU fans treat BC fans with courtesy, as would be expected. Why would BC fans want to start a series where that basic expectation cannot be realized?

I know that many Uconn fans tend "poo-poo" this issue and it is not obviously the main driver in whether a series would ever resume or not. It is, however, an issue which it doesn't appear Uconn is addressing.

As Mark has pointed out, it isn't just BC fans who observe this. It is something, IMO, that Uconn needs to address.

Ugly incident - yes - but eventually everyone has to move on. It's been 10 years so you'd be looking at a different crowd altogether. I work for UCONN and the current students really don't have the same animosity toward BC because the rivalry hasn't been played in so long.

If BC doesn't feel comfortable playing at the Rent, then I'm sure UCONN would be more than willing to play on a "neutral" field in Rhode Island or Massachusetts. The series may not have any value to BC as a college, but IMO it's valuable to New England football and those of us who live in the region.

Good response Husky. I do agree think that games between the two schools will occur at some point; but probably not until the value of such games is approximately equal to both schools. Not sure that balance exists today. When/if it does, then, yes, I think you will see games happen.

At this point isn't UMass just as good as UConn? There's not much difference between the two anymore since UMass jumped to the MAC.

(02-14-2014 01:04 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  At this point isn't UMass just as good as UConn? There's not much difference between the two anymore since UMass jumped to the MAC.

I guess, if you don't look at revenue, attendance, national championships, and bowl appearances, then yeah the two are about equal.

(02-14-2014 01:13 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 01:04 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  At this point isn't UMass just as good as UConn? There's not much difference between the two anymore since UMass jumped to the MAC.

I guess, if you don't look at revenue, attendance, national championships, and bowl appearances, then yeah the two are about equal.

Or the beat down our worst football team put on their best? Yeah, they are similar

And don't forget, our hockey team beat their prized program this year. Won't be long before we surpass them in Hockey East as well.

(02-14-2014 01:13 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 01:04 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  At this point isn't UMass just as good as UConn? There's not much difference between the two anymore since UMass jumped to the MAC.

I guess, if you don't look at revenue, attendance, national championships, and bowl appearances, then yeah the two are about equal.

Both are in G5 conferences, both play in small stadiums, both have titles in 1 sport albeit different ones(UConn-hoops & UMass-football), both serve the same market(Springfield/Hartford) and both make squat compared to the P5.

Am I missing something? I know it hurts your ego but UMass has just about caught up to the falling UConn.

(02-14-2014 10:39 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 01:13 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 01:04 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  At this point isn't UMass just as good as UConn? There's not much difference between the two anymore since UMass jumped to the MAC.

I guess, if you don't look at revenue, attendance, national championships, and bowl appearances, then yeah the two are about equal.

Both are in G5 conferences, both play in small stadiums, both have titles in 1 sport albeit different ones(UConn-hoops & UMass-football), both serve the same market(Springfield/Hartford) and both make squat compared to the P5.

Am I missing something? I know it hurts your ego but UMass has just about caught up to the falling UConn.

UMASS caught up to the falling UCONN? Sure they have; most likely in the alternate universe you're currently residing in. I'm sure in this bizarro world you're living in, that BC is a multiple time National Champion in football.

Okay guys take your Connecticut vs Boston College arguments to the PM system if you want to carry it on. Let's try to get back on track in the thread.

(02-14-2014 11:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Okay guys take your Connecticut vs Boston College arguments to the PM system if you want to carry it on. Let's try to get back on track in the thread.

Oh I get it. Some BC fans come into a thread with UCONN in the title, start lobbing their anti-UCONN bombs and you all do nothing. When us UCONN fans retort to said bomb throwing you jump right in and tell us, "stop, you brutes". Yeah, sounds completely fair to me.

(02-15-2014 12:22 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 11:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Okay guys take your Connecticut vs Boston College arguments to the PM system if you want to carry it on. Let's try to get back on track in the thread.

Oh I get it. Some BC fans come into a thread with UCONN in the title, start lobbing their anti-UCONN bombs and you all do nothing. When us UCONN fans retort to said bomb throwing you jump right in and tell us, "stop, you brutes". Yeah, sounds completely fair to me.

The persecution complex that many UCONN fans display on the various sports forums is nauseating. There is no one denying UCONN their birthright... If UCONN wanted to be an attractive candidate for conference expansion, it should have committed to 1A football a long time ago. I believe most P5 fans see UCONN as a school who created the blue print that Villanova tried to follow, i.e. moving up to play BCS FB was in reality a BB move...

(02-15-2014 07:15 AM)C Marlow Wrote:  

(02-15-2014 12:22 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 11:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Okay guys take your Connecticut vs Boston College arguments to the PM system if you want to carry it on. Let's try to get back on track in the thread.

Oh I get it. Some BC fans come into a thread with UCONN in the title, start lobbing their anti-UCONN bombs and you all do nothing. When us UCONN fans retort to said bomb throwing you jump right in and tell us, "stop, you brutes". Yeah, sounds completely fair to me.

The persecution complex that many UCONN fans display on the various sports forums is nauseating. There is no one denying UCONN their birthright... If UCONN wanted to be an attractive candidate for conference expansion, it should have committed to 1A football a long time ago. I believe most P5 fans see UCONN as a school who created the blue print that Villanova tried to follow, i.e. moving up to play BCS FB was in reality a BB move...

Cool story.

(02-14-2014 11:51 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 10:39 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 01:13 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 01:04 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  At this point isn't UMass just as good as UConn? There's not much difference between the two anymore since UMass jumped to the MAC.

I guess, if you don't look at revenue, attendance, national championships, and bowl appearances, then yeah the two are about equal.

Both are in G5 conferences, both play in small stadiums, both have titles in 1 sport albeit different ones(UConn-hoops & UMass-football), both serve the same market(Springfield/Hartford) and both make squat compared to the P5.

Am I missing something? I know it hurts your ego but UMass has just about caught up to the falling UConn.

UMASS caught up to the falling UCONN? Sure they have; most likely in the alternate universe you're currently residing in. I'm sure in this bizarro world you're living in, that BC is a multiple time National Champion in football.

2000 - UConn joins the Big East in football, joining FBS
2012 - UMass joins the MAC in football, joining FBS
2013 - Big East splits UConn joins AAC
2014 - AAC plays final bowl game as a power conference becomes a G5 conference with no playoff bowl tie-in like the MAC.

They play at the same competitive level in all sports now which hasn't happened since 1999. Nothing bizzaro about it. It'll be interesting to see what happens in a decade once the BE split cash is gone and UMass finishes their transition to FBS football.

(02-12-2014 01:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-12-2014 12:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-12-2014 12:25 PM)solohawks Wrote:  would a school who signed a GOR but left a conference, not get paid by their old conference? I was under the impression that a GOR meant you could not leave and then go sell your media rights to another conference. As long as the member school in question is still getting paid fairly by someone, whether it be the conference or the network whom the conference sold the rights to, then the courts should find it legal. I do think it would be highly questionable to not pay a school who has committed to a GOR but is no longer with the conference.

To me a GOR is a sale of a schools media rights for X number of years to a conference. Even if you are no longer in that conference the GOR says the sale is still valid and you cannot shop your rights elsewhere. If that is the case, then they must still be paid for that sale or else it I see it as a restraint of trade.

FWIW---Ive heard the AAC GOR still pays the school after they leave, but the B12 does not. My guess is the B-12 GOR wont hold up if it fails to pay the departing school its fair share of revenue.

What would be the point of having a GOR if you still have to pay a school who leaves the conference? Perhaps this comes down to an interpretation (or more likely, to the wording of the Grants contract itself) of exactly what the consideration is that the granting school receives. .

The purpose of the GOR in this instance it to protect the assigned rights holder (the conference) for the duration of the contract to know that they will have those rights even if a school leaves. It makes their contract with the TV partner stronger, who knows even if Team X leaves, they can still broadcast the games, and thus they are more likely to invest in the promotion of said content. That is their purpose. Even if used as a punitive threat, they were never meant to be punitive.

(02-12-2014 02:13 PM)mlb Wrote:  I guess we shall see, Brick City. I'm positive that a school will end up challenging the GOR. It will happen most likely in the next 5-10 years, and it will set the precedent when it is done. Either they hold up or they fall apart.

GOR's have been challenged thousands of times. Same result every time. They are enforceable so long as the contract provisions are carried out (i.e. consideration still provided), and they are still in en force (they haven't expired). Now there are differing interpretations on how the rights must be used (i.e. can the assignee hold said rights but not use them, thus restricting the original holder from earning a living) , and how much revenue should be assigned to said generated, but the GOR's validity have never been questioned.

(02-14-2014 01:04 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  At this point isn't UMass just as good as UConn? There's not much difference between the two anymore since UMass jumped to the MAC.

(02-11-2014 04:06 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 04:05 PM)mlb Wrote:  Not true, bit. The Big 10 comes back up in 3.

The B1G has no expansion candidates available that they'd want. So my point stands.

That's not a point, it's your opinion. You don't represent the B10. No one saw them adding Rutgers or Md either...

(02-15-2014 10:16 AM)wildthing202 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 11:51 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 10:39 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 01:13 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 01:04 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  At this point isn't UMass just as good as UConn? There's not much difference between the two anymore since UMass jumped to the MAC.

I guess, if you don't look at revenue, attendance, national championships, and bowl appearances, then yeah the two are about equal.

Both are in G5 conferences, both play in small stadiums, both have titles in 1 sport albeit different ones(UConn-hoops & UMass-football), both serve the same market(Springfield/Hartford) and both make squat compared to the P5.

Am I missing something? I know it hurts your ego but UMass has just about caught up to the falling UConn.

UMASS caught up to the falling UCONN? Sure they have; most likely in the alternate universe you're currently residing in. I'm sure in this bizarro world you're living in, that BC is a multiple time National Champion in football.

2000 - UConn joins the Big East in football, joining FBS
2012 - UMass joins the MAC in football, joining FBS
2013 - Big East splits UConn joins AAC
2014 - AAC plays final bowl game as a power conference becomes a G5 conference with no playoff bowl tie-in like the MAC.

They play at the same competitive level in all sports now which hasn't happened since 1999. Nothing bizzaro about it. It'll be interesting to see what happens in a decade once the BE split cash is gone and UMass finishes their transition to FBS football.

UConn was a transitional program in 2000 and 2001, moved fully into D1A in 2002, and joined the Big East in football in 2004.

(02-14-2014 10:39 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 01:13 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 01:04 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  At this point isn't UMass just as good as UConn? There's not much difference between the two anymore since UMass jumped to the MAC.

I guess, if you don't look at revenue, attendance, national championships, and bowl appearances, then yeah the two are about equal.

Both are in G5 conferences, both play in small stadiums, both have titles in 1 sport albeit different ones(UConn-hoops & UMass-football), both serve the same market(Springfield/Hartford) and both make squat compared to the P5.

Am I missing something? I know it hurts your ego but UMass has just about caught up to the falling UConn.

Haha, this is hilarious.

One sport? First, UConn has 11 National Championships in basketball (men most recently in 2011 and women are defending champions). Second, UConn also has 3 Soccer National Championships (2000 most recent), 3 Field Hockey National Championships (current defending champion), 10 Polo National Championships (including the last 4), and countless Big East championships.

If we are falling, then BC is rock bottom.